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'There wouldn’t be a Tea Party if the Republican Party did its job'
BizPac Review.com ^ | May 23, 2012 | Michele Kirk

Posted on 05/23/2012 7:10:30 AM PDT by T.O.K.

(video)When nearly 100 of Florida’s most involved tea party activists came together Saturday to learn from the experts how to be citizen journalists, the conversation morphed from how to cover the news to how to deal with Republicans.

“There wouldn’t be a tea party if the Republican Party did its job,” moderator and Florida State Director of Americans For Prosperity, Slade O’Brien said to a crowd in obvious agreement.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fl; florida; gop; mediabias; republicans; rpof; teaparty
Really common complaints about the local Republican establishment in Florida. I wonder if it is the same in every state. I remember when we (the tea Party)were trying to decide 3 years ago how to handle the Republicans and the same conversations were going on. Some progress has been made, but if you listen to the panelists, you find out why it is not much progress.
1 posted on 05/23/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by T.O.K.
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To: T.O.K.

would be the same here in pittsburgh, no doubt, but for the ridiculous ‘pappy and grandpappy voted dhimmicrat so i must too’ mentality......

‘pubs cant even get their foot in the door.....


2 posted on 05/23/2012 7:13:35 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: T.O.K.

What most people fail to realize is that the republican party is doing it’s job... it’s job is the promotion and implementation of socialism, slowly and methodically. They are doing a good job at this.

The dems job is to fast track the implementation of socialism.

Once you understand and accept this premise, then everything becomes clear.

Just say no.


3 posted on 05/23/2012 7:24:48 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
"There wouldn't be a Tea Party if the Republican Party did its job."

Now there's a great tagline.

Florida Freeper


4 posted on 05/23/2012 7:51:21 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: joe fonebone

Don’t be arrogant. The tea party movement exists because people realize that both parties have contributed to the mess we’re in, however unequally.

It would be very poor tactics to concede both major parties to collectivism and corruption, and then to try to build from scratch a third party based on free enterprise to defeat them both.

Especially since the GOP claims to be the party of our conservative values and has numerous young up-and-coming conservatives within its ranks.

It makes much more sense to continue the tea party movement of nominating fiscally conservative reformers in GOP primaries and getting GOP nominees elected in November.

Despair and defeatism won’t work and are un-American.

Fighting for what’s right is the American way.


5 posted on 05/23/2012 7:56:50 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: joe fonebone
Case in point, Rand Paul:

Still, given Paul’s constitutional views and his strong conservatism on issues of debt and deficit, it’s unclear just how much establishment support he could garner if he runs for president in the future. And while his relationship with McConnell is good, he has yet to patch things up with the rest of the Kentucky GOP establishment.

Longtime Kentucky Democratic consultant Jim Cauley wondered how Paul might ingratiate himself with the national GOP establishment enough to win the nomination.

“He still bitch-slaps the Republican establishment here in Kentucky — all the time!” he said. “And I’m like, if you don’t know how to do it here, how are you going to learn to do it on a national scale?”

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_139/Rand_Paul_Tests_Political_Influence-214720-1.html?pos=hbtxt

6 posted on 05/23/2012 8:07:08 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

So, what your case in point means is that you have to go along to get along.... you mean go along with the slow train to socialism, just in case you might get a shot at slowing down even more, without an option to stop and reverse it?

Socialism is the enemy of the constitution and of the republic. Period.

The republican party actively promotes socialism.
Big old gwb and his prescription drug benefit...

His NCLB written by a flaming lib...

So called patriot act...

Failure to even stand ground the last 2 years in the house..

The damn list goes on and on..

and, as a former military person, that loves this country and lives by the constitution that governs it, you want me to openly support this kind of crap?

No. Not now. Not ever. I will never lend support to those that desire to rip apart the document that this country was founded on.

If you wish to openly support the enemies of the republic, you are free to do so.

But, don’t you dare to go around and chastise those who see the pubs for what they are and what they represent.

They have proven what they represent in actions, or lack of action... what they say means nothing


7 posted on 05/23/2012 8:56:47 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: T.O.K.

Great quote! Go to any GOP website, and the Republican philosophy will be stated as limited government, free enterprise, personal responsibility, etc. Sometimes it takes an outside group to poke them in the ribs and remind them of the fact. Thanks for posting, TOK!


8 posted on 05/23/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: rogue yam
Longtime Kentucky Democratic consultant Jim Cauley wondered how Paul might ingratiate himself with the national GOP establishment enough to win the nomination.

“He still bitch-slaps the Republican establishment here in Kentucky — all the time!” he said. “And I’m like, if you don’t know how to do it here, how are you going to learn to do it on a national scale?”

Slap around the establishment and go directly to the people. I think any one of Romney's opponents could have beaten him. He was just lucky enough to have them split the vote while the establishment destroyed them one at a time like a bad kung-fu movie where the "hero" fights a dozen people one at a time. Similarly, Rand Paul would likely win a Republican primary later if the vote isn't split multiple ways again.

Maybe the Tea Party needs a pre-primary to decide who will be the one to go against the establishment candidate so the vote can't be split in the real primary.

9 posted on 05/23/2012 9:03:54 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: joe fonebone

Once a Republican candidate wins, he starts to prefer kool-Aid over Tea.


10 posted on 05/23/2012 9:09:41 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: joe fonebone

“If you wish to openly support the enemies of the republic, you are free to do so.”

Right On!! Well Stated.


11 posted on 05/23/2012 9:12:12 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: T.O.K.
It's fairly clear this season that the gopE has jumped the shark.

The gopE will do ok, because basically, there's nothing else on.

These cheap tvs they convinced us to buy only get two channels and viewers are tired of the obama channel.

Seriously, that network jumped the shark a very long time ago.

On the other hand, if the TEA party starts writing new scripts for the gopE network, we could end up with the hit of the season!

12 posted on 05/23/2012 9:15:37 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happing to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: joe fonebone

No, my case in point is that Rand Paul is a young up-and-coming tea party conservative who is moving and shaking within the GOP and slapping the RINOs across the chops in the process.

Thus he is an example of how we can and should take the GOP back for conservatism rather than abandon it for third party oblivion.


13 posted on 05/23/2012 9:39:59 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: KarlInOhio
I think any one of Romney's opponents could have beaten him. He was just lucky enough to have them split the vote while the establishment destroyed them one at a time...

I think it was the case this year that all of our candidates were deeply flawed. Gingrich, Cain, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, all of them. They each fall well short in important ways and I think Romney could have beaten any one of them head-to-head.

We need better candidates.

14 posted on 05/23/2012 9:46:36 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: CharacterCounts
Once a Republican candidate wins, he starts to prefer kool-Aid over Tea.

So why don't you just give up and quit already and leave conservative politics to those of us who have a plan for success?

15 posted on 05/23/2012 9:49:57 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MotorCityBuck

You’ve got a great plan!


16 posted on 05/23/2012 9:51:53 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: joe fonebone
How dare you challenge GOP apparatchiks with truth, logic and common sense!!!!!
17 posted on 05/23/2012 9:54:35 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: GBA
On the other hand, if the TEA party starts writing new scripts for the gopE network, we could end up with the hit of the season!

There have been a number of tea party victories already this primary season.

One can always wish for more but wishing is not a strategy.

18 posted on 05/23/2012 9:55:49 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Roccus

You’ve got a great plan!


19 posted on 05/23/2012 9:57:18 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: joe fonebone
Once you understand and accept this premise, then everything becomes clear.

A few here are beginning to catch on, but not nearly enough.

I notice that abortion approval is at an all time low, I guess all those preppies now realize that abortion is also for the older among us and they are beginning to get there.

We act like Obama has been successful in covering up his origin and past, as if all the resources of our government and our enemies can not find any trace of this man. You would have to believe that all those alphabet agencies are complete idiots with no useful resources, or they know exactly who he is, and are hiding it from us, for reasons that only they know

Boehner blocked Bachmann's attempt to defund Ocare and there has been hundred of billions spent to institute that nightmare, why?

A few here believe that the Supreme Court will overturn this travesty, but I really doubt that. They surely have made their decision long ago and yet they have let this administration run amok spending and regulating us into a gordian knot from which we can not extricate ourselves. How could the Court explain their complete disdain for the taxpayer that has stood by helplessly as money was flushed that they can never recover?

20 posted on 05/23/2012 10:17:09 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period.)
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To: rogue yam
“Fighting for what’s right is the American way.” Your quote.

The restoration of the Republic and the GOP are at odds with each other. That puts me at odds with any Party that runs contrary to the Constitution, and Thee Republic for which it stands!

Go wave your Rino Pom-Poms elsewhere.

Peace

21 posted on 05/23/2012 10:21:02 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: rogue yam
One can always wish for more but wishing is not a strategy.

That depends, here in obamaland, beggars ride.

But the way I grew up, it was more along the lines of: ""Wish in one hand...etc.", now get your butt to work."

22 posted on 05/23/2012 10:29:40 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happing to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: MotorCityBuck
Stupid and obnoxious are no way to go through life, son.

Are Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, and Bobby Jindal all "waving RINO pom-poms"?

It might be time for you to grow up a little bit and realize that you are not the only person on earth who has a plan for restoring our Republic.

23 posted on 05/23/2012 10:38:18 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: GBA
Dang, meant to say:

"That depends, here in obamaland, beggars ride donkeys and rinos."

24 posted on 05/23/2012 10:39:41 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happing to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: rogue yam
Well since you decided to get personal....Name calling,and yelling over your opponent are generally a sign of losing an argument. Typicall Rino approach to attracting the Conservative vote. LOL Keep it up Teletype Tough Guy.You represent Mittens Well

peace :)

25 posted on 05/23/2012 10:48:38 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: rogue yam

Now THAT..... is a well worded argument. Sometimes words get jumbled up in translation, and it would appear this is the case with you.

You are correct, in that there are a few (very few)decent conservative/small l libertarians out there that have the wherewithall to do what needs to be done.

Unfortunately, the bigwigs, and the dudes that hold the reins of power, are thwarting them at every turn.

At this point in time, conservatives/small l libertarians are to the pub party what the blacks are to the dem party.

we are to shut up and vote for whoever and whatever they put up on the ballot, and then go home after the election and take whatever they throw at us.

I am very proud of those out there that are actively primarying the socialist pubs, and damn near 100% of the old guard pubs need to be primaried out of existence.

Until that happens, the pub party is still the party of slow growth socialism.

If you want to start a rallying cry, try “Primary ‘em!”


26 posted on 05/23/2012 10:53:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: rogue yam

What you said..... YEP 1000 times over!


27 posted on 05/23/2012 10:58:52 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: joe fonebone
You are correct, in that there are a few (very few)decent conservative/small l libertarians out there that have the wherewithall to do what needs to be done.

Of course they are there, and of course all true conservatives wish there were more of them. The way to get more is to support the decent conservatives we've already got in office, try to convert the more malleable RINO officeholders, and primary the intransigent RINOs. Giving up on the GOP or just mindlessly slanging it while ignoring the advances we've made over the last few years is counterproductive and just plain immoral.

Unfortunately, the bigwigs, and the dudes that hold the reins of power, are thwarting them at every turn.

Well, they're trying to, as one would expect. But as that great American patriot Al Sharpton says, "Resist we much!"

At this point in time, conservatives/small l libertarians are to the pub party what the blacks are to the dem party.

Yes and no. Similar in being taken for granted. But different because conservatism is an ideology that will promote the betterment of all. There is no hard limit to the number of people we can recruit to our cause.

Blacks give their support to the 'Rats in return for the promise of free stuff handed out to blacks at the expense of others. The 'Rat approach is cynical and divisive and un-American. Our approach is good and true and profoundly American. If you don't believe in the ultimate strength of good versus evil then you have no business being in grassroots conservative politics.

28 posted on 05/23/2012 11:14:32 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Forty-Niner

Thank you for your support.

It is sad that optimism and pragmatism have become but a faction here on FR but I’m not giving up!

Your words of encouragement help a lot.

Thanks again.


29 posted on 05/23/2012 11:18:26 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MotorCityBuck

Stupidly and arrogantly calling me a RINO gets your idiocy exposed pro-style.

Like it or not, them’s the rules, bucko.

Sobbing about your smack-down afterwards merely earns you a second taunting.

Feh!


30 posted on 05/23/2012 11:24:12 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: joe fonebone; rogue yam

“If you want to start a rallying cry, try “Primary ‘em!”

That was exactly the point of rogue yam’s original post. The only difference between you two is that you want to assualt the bastions of both parties, hoping for some sort of a overnight victory.

rogue yam wants to bring the leadership of the Republican to bay, and replace them with reliably big C conservatives.

Of the two, I’d say that rogue yam’s plan is the best, with a much higher chance of success, both in the long and the short term. As I look around the news I can see that others are now in the process of implementing that strategy.

There’s a whole lot of TEA party Republicans winning primaries right now. Lugar is gone, and it looks like Hatch may follow...there’s good prospects for numerious House seats......enough to kick the RINOs out of leadership positions?.....probably not, but as the years go by, little by little, TEA Party Republicans will take control of the Party and play a major part on our nations political stage....We’ll need em all, and more, especially if either Obama or Romney wins this November. (100% chance of that)

Brick by brick, my fellow citizens, Brick by brick.


31 posted on 05/23/2012 11:30:35 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: rogue yam

I have not mindlessly “slanged” anything. On the contrary, I have stated irrefutable fact... that is that the pubs in their current state are actively promoting and advancing socialism.

GWB did more to advance socialism than clintoon did. Now, clintoon was held back by a conservative congress (who’s leader was not conservative enough to get conservative votes for this years presidental ballot)

Instead we get the HARDCORE socialist romney.

Just becasue there are a few out there fighting the good fight does not change the direction the party has been taking us.

Like I said, until the bigwigs are gone, there will be no change in direction.

I will not support socialism, regardless of party affiliation.

And right now, at this exact moment in time, the pub party is the party of slow socialism.

Now, if you wish to prove me wrong, please do it with facts.
I really want to change my mind about the pub party, but alas, there is little to nothing out there to change my mind.


32 posted on 05/23/2012 11:35:28 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: rogue yam
Wow! Thanks for the smack down as you say. I needed that. I will now go with the Winning strategy of voting for Romney, and Republicans.This strategy has worked so well for us in the past. Yea, that's the ticket. You take care now.
33 posted on 05/23/2012 11:57:20 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: joe fonebone

I consider your reply #7 to be a mindless slanging.

Just look at who praised it and how.

FR has become a cesspool of defeatism and negativism over the last few weeks (or more).

Look at all of the infighting. Look at the opuses and zots. Look at the snail’s-pace fundraising.

Optimism and pragmatism are the essential characteristics of conservative politics. Limbaugh, Buckley, Reagan, and Thatcher are/were all defined by these traits.

Said traits are wholly absent from your reply #7.


34 posted on 05/23/2012 11:59:48 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I should have said defeatism, negativism, and extremism.


35 posted on 05/23/2012 12:01:11 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MotorCityBuck

If you can’t see that the tea party movement is something new then what can I say?

There is none so blind, etc.


36 posted on 05/23/2012 12:03:03 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I guess I have been too nice about this, so here goes the hard line..

I did not leave the republican party, it left me.....

Because of psuedo so called conservative, the ones that champion and applaude the taking of our liberties ( look at the patriot act, conservatives everywhere were dancing in the streets over this vile anti-constitutional law )..

I did not leave conservatism, it left me..

The only place left where those that believe in the constitution exist is the libertarian party.

I would rather get rid of the nut jobs over there, and start fresh without the socialists interfering and misleading me.

If the repulican party wants me back, then they have to prove it to me, not the other way around.

I will not actively support those that stand against everything I stand for in the hope that they will change. If our forefathers thought that way we would still be a british colony.

In the days leading up to the revolution, 30% were for staying with the crown, 40% did not give a damn either way, and 30% were for freedom from tyranny. Of that 30%, not even half actively participated in the revolution.

What I am telling you is that 15% of the population of the colonies fought for and gave us our country.

The time has come.

I am the 15%....


37 posted on 05/23/2012 12:16:21 PM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: rogue yam
WTH? Dude, I am the Tea Party! The Tea Party is made up of factions of both political parties, Independents, and Conservatives all sick, and tired of the Two Party system that has been gaming us all for to long. The Tea Party is the future, the GOP, and the Democrat Parties will hopefully end up in the Dustbin of history. Where they so well deservedly belong.

Tea Party On!

38 posted on 05/23/2012 12:23:48 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: joe fonebone

You’ve got a great plan!


39 posted on 05/23/2012 1:16:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: MotorCityBuck

You’ve got a great plan!


40 posted on 05/23/2012 1:17:46 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_139/Rand_Paul_Tests_Political_Influence-214720-1.html?pos=hbtxt ....................................................... FRegards
41 posted on 05/23/2012 1:42:37 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: rogue yam

Thanks. Glad to see your finally on board.
Cheers!


42 posted on 05/23/2012 3:17:50 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: joe fonebone

Hello Joe. I like your analysis of our current political situation. Count me in as part of the 15%! By the way I am just to the south of you in Livonia.
Cheers.

MCB


43 posted on 05/23/2012 3:27:05 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: joe fonebone
Just like World War II France, 15% resist and 85% capitulate.

They are the Vichy conservatives.

44 posted on 05/23/2012 3:36:08 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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