Skip to comments.PepsiCo Says It Will Halt Use of Aborted Fetal Cells in Flavor Research
Posted on 05/23/2012 10:36:05 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
A pro-life leader has won a victory in her efforts to convince soft-drink manufacturer PepsiCo to stop the use of aborted fetal cells in its research for enhancing the flavors of its products. Debi Vinnedge, executive director of Children of God for Life (COGFL), announced that in late April she had received a letter from Paul Boykas, PepsiCos vice president for Global Public Policy, confirming that the company will not allow the use of HEK-293 a cell line derived from human embryonic kidney in its partnership with Senomyx, the company with which it had inked a four-year, $30 million contract for flavor research.
As reported last November by The New American, a PepsiCo shareholder had filed a resolution with the Securities and Exchange Commission in an effort halt the company from contracting with Senomyx, which, according to documents collected by Vinnedge, used cell lines derived from aborted babies in its process of producing artificial flavor enhancers. According to a report by LifeNews.com at the time, Pepsi had ignored concerns and criticism from dozens of pro-life groups and tens of thousands of pro-life people who voiced their opposition to PepsiCo contracting with biotech company Senomyx even after it was found to be testing their food additives using fetal cells from abortions.
But after a nearly year-long campaign led by COGFL that included a nationwide boycott of PepsiCo products, in late April Boykas sent a letter to Vinnedge assuring her that PepsiCo would not conduct or fund research including research performed by third parties that utilizes any human tissue or cell lines derived from embryos or fetuses. Boykas also assured Vinnedge that Senomyx does not use HEK cells or any other tissues or cell lines derived from human embryos or fetuses for research performed on behalf of PepsiCo.
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Pepsi, it’s people!
Now we need to get vaccine manufacturers to stop also!
They were thinking that they hired a firm to accurately predict how their product would be received by the flavor receptors and this company came up with a method that works. Pepsi is by no means the only company that does this, flavor predicting is big difficult business.
Prolly something along the lines of that this new aborted-fetus cell tech is neat, it’s cool, etc. And also it’s disgusting.
I’m glad that no more Baby Does are being used to verify that the Ya-hoo! is still in the Mountain Dew. Remember the trope that “No animals were harmed in this production”? And this was worse.
Well this company was once run by Mommy Dearest herself.
Exactly. How utterly depraved we have become that someone has to actually point this out to begin with. We are a sick society.
There is no substitute for the old fashioned taste test, if finding good flavors is the key.
What is weird is that these were not taste bud cells being used. These were kidney cells. It appeared to me that they were being used to verify the presence of trace chemicals that add nuance to flavor, so as to maintain the flavor quality of existing formulas.
Say what. I glad I swore of Carbonated Drinks years ago.
Pepsi’s Gatoraid has “Is it in you?” for a slogan. Recon Pepsi Slogan should be “Who is in you”
Actually the old fashioned taste test is horrible. For one thing it’s notoriously inaccurate (you never know what people have eaten recently that effect how things will taste to them), and for another it tends to be expensive to be hauling people in off the street. The “old fashioned” that actually works is even more expensive because it means contracting with members of a very small group that have established themselves as having “accurate” taste buds which they take good care of (there’s a similar nose group for perfumes), these people have the physiology and the training to be able to detect if you enhanced the cherry 10% as was the goal.
It doesn’t matter where the cells came from, cells is cells and once you do the tweaking they do what you want. What’s important is their ability to have predictable bio-electric reactions so you can see the results of your change. Probably what’s going to happen is the testing company is going to secure a line of cells that came from a non-aborted source (possibly live sampling, possibly cadaver) and the process will continue on the same. They were probably being used two ways, testing tweaks in the chemical process designed to get the same taste for cheaper, and testing tweaks in the chemical process designed to make small changes to the flavor.
Depravity sinks to a new low in America.
Thanks for your 2nd paragraph. I was really wondering what the cells were used for.
I don’t drink Pepsi anyway.
To the degree Pepsi continues to do business with this company it continues to ‘sit at the table’ with cannibals.
It doesnt matter where the cells came from, cells is cells and once you do the tweaking they do what you want. Whats important is their ability to have predictable bio-electric reactions so you can see the results of your change. Probably whats going to happen is the testing company is going to secure a line of cells that came from a non-aborted source (possibly live sampling, possibly cadaver) and the process will continue on the same. They were probably being used two ways, testing tweaks in the chemical process designed to get the same taste for cheaper, and testing tweaks in the chemical process designed to make small changes to the flavor.
So why don’t we just open some camps to get rid of useless eaters and use their cells? We could hire Dr. Menegle to remove the proper ones.
You sir, are extremely morally challenged.
Machs nix! We’ve dropped Pepsico.....AND Campbell soups, etc., and will NOT use them again!
"The taste? It varies, from person to person."
Yeah, now I can try their lower sugar soda.
Also, most of the companies that were using this service bowed out when people asked them to but Pepsi refused. I guess they found out that their customers opinions matter.
You need to learn about logic over emotion. We already use cells for various types of experimentation from ALL the sources I outlined. Cells from live people they’re volunteers, most cells from cadavers also come from volunteers (organ donor, sold their corpse for science). The only non-volunteers are the cells from aborted fetuses. Also you should understand that one sampling goes a long way, they make the cells reproduce post harvest. One little skin scrapping that would wouldn’t even need a bandage to “recover” from can provide experimental cells for thousands of test for decades. Nobody is killing “useless eaters” that’s just hyperbole BS from people that can’t be bothered to understand what they’re talking about.
They forgot about the maxim of never letting the facts get in the way of a good story. When you actually learn the facts of the situation the uproar is quite ridiculous. No fetal cells are winding up in the soda (the favorite overreaction), the baby in question was aborted when Nixon was in the White House. Everybody wants to make this seem like they’re taking fetuses straight out of the womb and dumping them in a vat of Pepsi to see what happens, it’s really silly. It’s a cell culture they’ve been running for 40 years.
We’re talking about scum profitting off of the body parts MURDERED BABIES!!! It pure unadulterated EVIL, and no scientific utopian logic can make it not Evil. It’s not okay, it will never be okay, and those engaged in it will eventually have to answer to GOD over it. How hard is that for you to get through your head?
Lots of people profit from stuff that was bad. Had a surgery ever? Know how surgery got invented? Know how the techniques were dramatically improved? If you’ve ever had a surgery you’re probably alive because of the research of Medieval or Nazi vivisectionists. Which I guess would make you scum profiting off of murder and therefore pure unadulterated EVIL.
Meanwhile out here in non-hyperbole land, it was 40 freaking years ago, get over it. Probably a lot of what you eat and drink was tested on that or a similarly acquired line. It’s how things work.
Good question. Go up to some pro-choice acquaintance you know and tell them “did you know Pepsi uses aborted fetal cells in flavor research,” and offer them a choice between a soft drink made by Coke and one made by Pepsi. Bet even they would take the Coke product rather than the Pepsi one.
It has to sound nauseating regardless of your position on abortion.
Oh, okay the baby was murdered 40 years ago, that makes all the difference in the world! This thing is a-okay now! I’m sure God wouldn’t have a problem with it being ancient history and all! Afterall, the Obama Regime has ruled this as “Ordinary Business”, but I kinda like the way you put it “its how things work”. Just imagine what great tasting Soda Pop and other Processed Foods we could engineer if you used newer murdered baby parts! What a Utopian New World Order that would be. Yes, sir man as God...........there’s nothing we can’t make better with just a few spare baby parts!
The darkness found in the human heart never ceases to amaze me.
I notice how you studiously ignored the surgery question. Have you had surgery? Do you realize that you only survived it because of what Medieval and Nazi torturers did to people? Does that make you evil?
Really stop throwing around stupid hyperbole and look at the FACTS. A lot of our advances have unfortunate histories. Sometimes people are just trying to not let stuff go to waste. They had aborted fetuses lying around, which is sad and unfortunate but there they were, what to do with them, they harvested some cells, now they have these perpetual cellular test beds. It was either that or throw them out. They weren’t going to unabort the baby, that part was done, so you can either get something useful out of it or not. Kind of like Nazi surgery, can’t undo their evil experiments, but you can still use those advances to save lives every single day. If you start branding things as automatically evil because of the source you lose a lot of medicine and other stuff.
And understand the science will continue. HEK293 WILL continue to be used. Other lines of cell, some from aborted babies some not, WILL continue to be used. People’s live WILL be saved with Nazi surgery. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle, throwing around a bunch of luddite hyperbole might make you feel good but the accomplishment is ZERO, less actually.
Of course there are umpteen considerations for scientific conduct of taste testers. Too sloppy and you end up with the next New Coke, a product which lacked the luxurious, memory-hallowed taste of traditional Coca-Cola, although it was a fair imitation of Pepsi.
But the idea that kidney cells of an unborn baby can substitute for taste buds of people is even MORE preposterous. Better the frying pan than the fire. Anyhow, why would human cells be a must here? Why not animal cells and completely skirt the controversy? (Which it looks like they have.) New improved Pepsi, preferred by 99 out of 100 unborn calf kidneys!
I hope you in turn appreciate the viewpoint of those who say hey, we’re dealing with a cursed item here, at the least one which gives a wink and nod to an abominable practice for a highly questionable reason.
It’s not preposterous at all, you just have to understand what the goal is. And they have to be human cells because the test is to see how the chemicals will react with human cells.
The testing is not to see if it tastes good. It’s to see if they’re changes are having the desired effect. It runs a bit like this:
slap together a new formula
do internal testing to see if the formula is on the right path
if the formula passes that then you get it to cell testing to get your “flavor map” (how much does it taste like various recognizable stuff, 10% lime 40% sweet, that kind of junk)
Then you go to your big human testing run, and you get the feed back from the testers that there’s too much lime taste, of course keep in mind this lime taste wasn’t achieved with lime, it was achieved with chemistry, and while you know which chemicals made it you can never be sure how strong it’s going to come out
Now you decide your goal, you decide to reduce the lime flavor to 6%
tweak the chemicals and back to the cell testing to see if the results are what you wanted
once you hit that it’s back out to field testing to see if that made better
You need the cells because it’s all about reaction to human cells. You need the cells hooked up to machines because people can’t get the flavor mapping down that far, you need bio-electric feedback for that. And animal cells won’t skirt controversy even if they would give you your results, it’ll just be a different group that complains.
I comprehend the viewpoint, but I find it silly. It’s the same kind of illogic that gun grabber use, they declare guns “cursed items” and the next thing you know we’re replacing guns with walkie-talkies in ET. It’s the same crap that leads to pictures of Wernor Von Braun having his ever present cigarettes airbrushed out for textbooks, because cigarettes are “bad” and we don’t want the kiddies seeing that important people smoked. A lot of our world has bad roots, it’s just how it works when the primary advancers of technology are war and crazy people.
Animal cells might offend vegans (OK, then try plant cells) but to not see that is a quantum leap away from the ghastliness of in-womb murder is to be willfully blind.
And you still need live human testers in order to map out “here’s what tastes like lime.” And I still wonder why people who donate their bodies to science couldn’t donate taste buds (and olfactory cells) to the cause, getting as close as possible to the horse’s mouth so to speak.
Cursed is in this case a recognition of the existence of a God who has a moral will. It would apply poorly if at all to firearms, as even Jesus Christ explicitly stated that deadly weapons (in his era, swords) had a recommended use.
I actually knew the whole story but it really is a matter of morals. I knew that they just used them in tests. But those cells originally came from a human being, a human being who wasn’t allowed to live and wasn’t allowed to give consent.
If they wanted to use my cells I’d probably say fine as long as it didn’t kill me or they were taken after my death. The cells aren’t really the point.
It is about the slippery slope from using and replicating cells from an aborted child to growing and aborting children to provide other medical breakthroughs or the most disgusting and immoral, eating them to keep yourself young.
Indeed, it is about the deadening of conscience. Why kidney cells of all things. Why not taste buds and olfactory cells that came from organ donors who lived and died in such a manner that these cells weren’t adversely affected. The kidney cells are going to be seen as “reaching” even by the average scientifically literate adult.
On the surgical advancements, Hitler was pure evil and what he caused to happen was evil, that the scientific community learned something from it is still not worth the evil.
MOST, modern surgery is the product of experimentation in a normal medical setting but once again the patient is told of the risks and the chances and makes the choice.
I have no doubt that God can make good come from evil but it is never his intention.
It’s a quantum leap away for you or me. Hippy douchebags see it the other way around.
You use human testers to say “this thing tastes like lime”, but that’s generally going one combo at a time, when you’re making the product you’re putting in bunches of these things and how they’re going to interact is nearly impossible to track. Which is where the cells come in, you want to see how much of each flavor comes through.
The people who donate their bodies to science could. But there’s not much reason for the labs to be grabbing up new cultures when the old cultures functionally live forever. HEK293 was harvested in the early 70s, they just keep making the cell reproduce spawning what the need for tests and maintenance.
It is impossible for me to make the connection between the two. Even if I could, I wouldn't want to. I'll leave now just to make certain that I don't read how it works.
Didn’t say it was worth the evil, it’s not two directional math, the point if you’re going to say everything that had evil in its roots is evil then all modern surgery is evil. Even the techniques that have come since WWII are building on techniques the Nazis figured out. If we’re going to declare evil is transitory in Pepsi because they did flavor testing with the progeny of cells harvested from an abortion 40 years ago, then it has to be transitory for people whose lives were saved because of surgical techniques pioneered by the Nazis. It’s not a pick and chose world, if evil is transitory then evil is transitory, if it isn’t it isn’t. I say it isn’t, because the whole world gets really Dark Ages if it is.
It’s not about deadening anything, it’s utilizing available tools. It’s the kidney cells because that’s what Alex Van der Eb harvested to make the sample 40 years ago that is still used today. That culture worked well for stuff so it gets used.
None of this is a big secret, these cells have a web page:
Meant “transitive” too many distractions around here, dang ol work anyway.
They are using KIDNEY cells for goodness sake.
A good empirical scientist would surely try taste buds and olfactory cells (flavors include odors that are sensed from the contents of the mouth); and any flavor chemist knows there are greatly disparate things that still taste much the same — a kidney is tuned to just getting rid of the stuff in the urine.
I think the scientists need to be asked such questions. Is there something marvelous about the tasting ability of kidney cells of unborn babies that can’t be duplicated with donated adult cells?
They’re using cells harvested FORTY YEARS AGO for goodness sake.
Why should they go trying new cells when this chain gives consistent results? These cells are already there and wound up industry standard. Probably because nobody had bothered to harvest tastebuds, but since in the end they’re looking for bio-electric reaction it really doesn’t matter. You don’t care if the cells enjoy it, you just care if they react.
The only thing “marvelous” about it is that using the same cell cultivation gives you consistent results. The same reason they try so hard to keep lab rats genetically identical from generation to generation, they don’t want next year’s test results skewed because the platform (rats) the test happened on changed some how. They probably started using HEK293 for purely convenience or cost reasons (it was there and available), but they keep using it so that all tests have the same platform. Same reason I install all the same patches on my software test machines, don’t want 2 machines giving different results for the same test.
As if all cells could serve equally well in the stead of olfactory and taste cells?
Funny nobody told my taste buds for bitter that they ought to be able to respond to sweet and sour, and that my nose for a rose ought to be that for a skunk, etc. The sensory world would become a kaleidoscope of unpredictability!
It is implausible from an empirical point of view, though as a matter of mere science I would welcome seeing an explanation of how scientists coaxed these kidney cells into mimicking the capacity to recognize the similarity between various chemical guises of, say, a lime flavor, and to know that it isn’t a strawberry or vinegar or quinine. And I’d bet that much less than “40 years” went into that part of the study, and that if they could get a few golden tongues and golden noses to donate their bodies they could do far better with lines from that.
Surely you would want something that actually IS testing software, not just a fixed grep expression.
Hell exists, it is not hyperbole and Hell is full of people who spent their days on earth rationalizing evil.
I put my trust in God, not science. I would rather die a miserable death than receive one minute of earthly respite at the alter of a sin and the sacrificed (aborted) child.
By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaohs daughter, choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward. By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:24-27 (NKJV)
But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.”
Jn 12:23-26 (NKJV)
It’s about the cannibalism.
the only useless eaters I know of are in Washington, they are called congress, all 3 branches....there are a few good ones but not enough to matter...
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