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'Anti-Racists' Attack White Heritage Group in Family Restaurant
ABC News ^ | 05/23/2012 | Andrew Fies

Posted on 05/23/2012 1:33:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: rogue yam
...if these people dining in the restaurant are shown to hold political ideas that you personally find abhorrent, then you support their being the target of a felonious gang assault?

I hadn't thought about it in those terms; thanks for clarifying my thinking. I was thinking more along the lines of a situation we had locally when it was hard left (union thugs) vs. far left (enviro whackos) regarding ocean dumping. Fun to watch!

You are right, it is wrong for them to be attacked, but I still won't weep for them. That kind of example may be useful in getting some people to rethink their leftist proclivities, when their "own kind" turns on their "own kind".

51 posted on 05/24/2012 5:39:10 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Sirius Lee
I mean, it's just for the Irish. St. Paddy's they call it. Doesn't get more racist than that.

On St. Patrick's Day we invite everyone to become Irish for the day. Eat, drink, sing, dance and the occasional fistfight (quickly broken up) followed by loser buying the next round...all are welcome!

52 posted on 05/24/2012 5:46:11 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed
On St. Patrick's Day we invite everyone to become Irish for the day.

I agree with wholeheartedly with you, but the lefties don't.

Shamrock is Decried as Racist Symbol in Irish Fire Dept.

"On several fire engines and ladder trucks in Boston a large shamrock, the symbol of Irish pride, is visible next to standard-issue decals like the engine number and Fire Department logo." Most firefighters don't even think about it. "But many of the city's minority firefighters do think about it. To them, the shamrock is a reminder that the Boston Fire Department remains an old-boy network, controlled as it has been for more than a century by white and mostly Irish-American men."

Boston Housing Authority Declares Shamrock Racist!

"The Boston Housing Authority yesterday clarified its diversity policy after Mayor Thomas M. Menino raised questions about reports that the BHA equated one of the city's most familiar emblems, the shamrock, with hate symbols such as the swastika.

We're already called racists in the Tea Party by OWS types and the media. How long until the next TP rally is attacked by leftwing thugs and the media will blame US for flaunting our love of the Constitution as some kind of racism?

Our freedom of speech and freedom of association requires that we fight for it, and for others, even when they are disgusting - i.e. the nazis get to march in Skokie, and stormfronters get to eat pancakes together at hojos.

53 posted on 05/24/2012 6:10:52 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Amberdawn
Yes, but allowing millions of foreigners in and then allowing the left to teach them that whites are the root of all their problems is a recipe for murder IMO.

I absolutely agree. But we have to get most whites on the same page, somehow. I don't think anyone wants to go around with a guilt complex if it really isn't deserved. Whites just have to be taught on one hand that it isn't deserved. And on the other hand, whites have to see that there are minority racists that will hurt them and do hurt whites and the greater society under liberalism. I believe in tolerance but not to the point of suicide or at the expense of equal treatment.

54 posted on 05/24/2012 6:49:31 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Amberdawn

In fact I think you have helped me come up with a great tagline.


55 posted on 05/24/2012 7:07:40 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment leads only to tyranny.)
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To: Crucial
And yet everyone enjoys that full protection, except whites it seems. So far down the road from slavery and Jim Crow, apologizing and granting special rights and what do whites reap as a reward: a curb on their free speech rights and in turn vulnerability to attack.

Even here on FR, if some FReepers are to be believed.

56 posted on 05/24/2012 9:07:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Amberdawn
There’s a lesson in that somewhere.

The lesson is that white shame is a deadly cancer predicated on lies with which the leftists have deliberately infected our society. The cancer is everywhere, even here on FR.

Racism is the worst possible evil, the only inexcusable evil really. Only whites can be racist and almost all white people are racist. Black people (in stark contrast with whites in particular) are inherently possessed of a nobility and wisdom and coolness that none others hold.

This is the commie catechism. It pervades the media and the public education system, and it infects the thinking of most Americans, even many self-styled conservatives.

The examples are everywhere, including this thread.

Go back to the early FR Trayvon Martin threads and watch George Zimmerman get trashed.

Go back to the FR threads when Michael Steele was first named RNC chairman and see how he is praised.

The lesson here is that we must all free our minds before we can restore freedom to our Republic.

57 posted on 05/24/2012 9:38:10 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Lawbreakers illegally assaulting law-abiders. Not cool.

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What's cool about kiddie porn?

58 posted on 05/24/2012 9:41:33 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Amberdawn
Yes, but allowing millions of foreigners in and then allowing the left to teach them that whites are the root of all their problems is a recipe for murder IMO.

You are right, of course. But to the leftists this a feature not a bug.

59 posted on 05/24/2012 9:45:47 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Crucial
I absolutely agree. But we have to get most whites on the same page, somehow. I don't think anyone wants to go around with a guilt complex if it really isn't deserved. Whites just have to be taught on one hand that it isn't deserved. And on the other hand, whites have to see that there are minority racists that will hurt them and do hurt whites and the greater society under liberalism. I believe in tolerance but not to the point of suicide or at the expense of equal treatment.

What you say is true. However if you form a group to promote this way of thinking it will be called racist, your meetings will be physically attacked by fascistic leftists, and these attacks will be ignored or even excused by self-conceived conservatives, even here on FR.

It is an uphill battle to be sure.

60 posted on 05/24/2012 9:50:41 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: wtc911
What's cool about kiddie porn?

This reply of yours is utterly retarded and evil.

Because of your own weakness and cowardice and depravity you have allowed commie ideology to corrupt your reason.

Read this whole thread and learn to become a free man again.

61 posted on 05/24/2012 9:56:40 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

...or perhaps become one for the first time.


62 posted on 05/24/2012 9:57:28 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Because Stormfront is only about denial of white guilt and white heritage and are only “called” racists?

Or are they actually a racist and racial supremacist group?

63 posted on 05/24/2012 10:07:56 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: rogue yam
Weakness, cowardice, retarded, evil, depravity....because I object to any group where both racists and kiddie porn lovers feel welcome?

Man, are you upside down.

64 posted on 05/24/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: rogue yam

What exactly do you identify with...the storm front racist fools or the kiddie porn...or both?


65 posted on 05/24/2012 11:18:13 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: allmendream
Because Stormfront is only about denial of white guilt and white heritage and are only “called” racists?

Or are they actually a racist and racial supremacist group?

I didn't say anything about Stormfront. I know almost nothing about them, whoever they are. Why are you asking me about Stormfront?

66 posted on 05/24/2012 11:27:55 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: wtc911
Weakness, cowardice, retarded, evil, depravity....because I object to any group where both racists and kiddie porn lovers feel welcome?

Everything you say is retarded. The issue is not "objecting to" this or that group's ideas. The issue is condoning or excusing illegal violence.

67 posted on 05/24/2012 11:32:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Because the racist group that got beat up are Stormfront members.

You said...

“However if you form a group to promote this way of thinking it will be called racist, your meetings will be physically attacked by fascistic leftists, and these attacks will be ignored or even excused by self-conceived conservatives, even here on FR”

So a group was formed (Stormfront) to promote “this way of thinking” and it is “called racist”, by your formulation.

Is Stormfront just “called racist” or are they, in actuality a racist white supremacist group?

68 posted on 05/24/2012 11:32:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

To put it another way, Stormfront is the white version of La Raza.


69 posted on 05/24/2012 11:37:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wtc911
What exactly do you identify with...the storm front racist fools or the kiddie porn...or both?

The reason why you post baseless accusations against me is because I exposed you, explicitly and accurately, for being a corrupt and cowardly tool of the leftists in their destruction of our society.

If you had some substantive, rational defense against my criticism of your post you would make it.

You don't have one so you simply fling spurious charges of racism, just like your commie masters taught you to do.

Excellent cadre discipline there, comrade!

70 posted on 05/24/2012 11:38:09 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: dfwgator
And if some ‘wanted for child porn’ La Raza members got the sh*t beat out of them by members of the Black Panther Party - would it be OK for me to sit back and laugh?

Or would that be encouraging lawlessness and giving a wink and a nod to vigilante actions?

71 posted on 05/24/2012 11:43:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: dfwgator
And if anybody went about saying how La Raza was just about “heritage” and is only “called racist” - and that anybody who thought they were racists were brainwashed - what would you think of that person's knowledge or objectivity?
72 posted on 05/24/2012 11:47:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: rogue yam

Accusations? Nope. Just wondering why you’re defending storm fronters and kiddie porn users...but then, why ask why? Anybody who finds common ground with either of those two groups of utter scumbags is off the rails anyway...


73 posted on 05/24/2012 12:22:56 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: allmendream
I think you are doing very poor analysis here and that you should try to do better.

Because the racist group that got beat up are Stormfront members.

The linked article does not say this. It just doesn't. Start with the facts and then work from there.

You said...

“However if you form a group to promote this way of thinking it will be called racist, your meetings will be physically attacked by fascistic leftists, and these attacks will be ignored or even excused by self-conceived conservatives, even here on FR”

So a group was formed (Stormfront) to promote “this way of thinking” and it is “called racist”, by your formulation.

Is Stormfront just “called racist” or are they, in actuality a racist white supremacist group?

You have really messed up on your logic here. When I used the phrase "this way of thinking" I was referring quite specifically to the ideas expressed by FReeper "Crucial" in his Reply #54. (I even quoted those ideas in my reply to him.) Now you claim that Stormfront was founded to promote those ideas and criticize me for failing to recognize that this renders them racists.

This is nonsense.

The ideas expressed by Crucial in Reply #54 are simply not racist and you do not actually believe that they are. You are so happy and proud to be on your anti-racist high horse that you have posted sloppy nonsense instead of substantive analysis.

So again I ask you, why are you asking me about Stormfront? Whoever they are and whatever it is that they think, what does any of that have to do with what I have posted to this thread?

74 posted on 05/24/2012 3:18:37 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: wtc911
Accusations? Nope. Just wondering why you’re defending storm fronters and kiddie porn users...but then, why ask why? Anybody who finds common ground with either of those two groups of utter scumbags is off the rails anyway...

There is a reason why you post retarded lies. I have explained to you what that reason is. If someday you ever learn to rid your mind of commie poison and become a real man perhaps you will remember this thread and be grateful to me.

75 posted on 05/24/2012 3:24:10 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I hold these truths to be self-evident:

A group that is proud of its heritage is not inherently racist.

A group that is proud of its heritage to the point where it feels it is superior to other groups, is racist.

A group that is proud of its heritage and feels cheated by other groups is racist and potentially dangerous.

Just because a group is “racist and potentially dangerous” does not mean that group should be denied the right to assemble. If, however, their feelings compel them to violence, their violent acts should be prosecuted as ANY OTHER violent act is prosecuted, without the taint of trying to determine their motivation.

If Justice is blind, shouldn’t she be colorblind as well?


76 posted on 05/24/2012 4:17:55 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138
I agree with most of what you say. But I take some issue with this point:

A group that is proud of its heritage to the point where it feels it is superior to other groups, is racist.

I am a proud American. I love this country and think that it is a light unto the world. Now, as it happens many of my ancestors date back to the founding. Those who founded our great nation were predominantly of a certain ethnic background (English and Scots-Irish). It is largely from these cultures that our exceptional American culture and nation were first formed. Thus I hold in particularly high regard the culture and accomplishments of the English and Scots-Irish of the eighteenth century. I consider their culture and their accomplishments to be superior to that of others of their time.

I do not think it is necessarily racist for people to be proud of, and to uphold as superior, cultural or even physical attributes of the people with whom they share blood ties. Dutch people are sometimes proud of their size and strength. French and Italian people sometimes think that women of their ethnicities are the most beautiful. Kenyans sometimes express pride that so many of the best long-distance runners are Kenyan. Jewish people are sometimes proud of how many great intellectuals are Jewish. Etc., etc.

I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling a greater kinship toward people with whom you share ethnic ties. (Obviously these feelings are common and natural, what else is St. Patrick's Day about for example?) And I don't think there is anything wrong with recognizing the specific superior attributes of some groups just because you are a member of that group. (Otherwise I would be fine admiring Kenyan athleticism and Jewish intelligence but not English jurisprudence. What sense would that make?)

Racism is something else entirely and this is explicitly recognized by most people in most cases.

We have a black history month, we have latino pride organizations and events, Chinese New Year parades, etc. Only whites are singled out and told that if we feel special kinship toward other white people, or think that certain attributes or accomplishments of white people are exemplary, that this is wrong and racist and must be squelched.

This sort of disparate treatment is the one and only true definition of racism. Within present-day American society it is only anti-white racism that is thus widely condoned.

77 posted on 05/24/2012 5:07:28 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
I said: “Because the racist group that got beat up are Stormfront members.”

You said: The linked article does not say this. It just doesn't. Start with the facts and then work from there.

Perhaps you meant the EXCERPT of the article - because the LINKED article does say it.....

From the linked article.......

“The meeting of the Illinois European Heritage Association had been frequently mentioned on the “White Pride” webforum stormfront.org. It was called the “5 th Annual White Nationalist Economic summit” and promoted as an opportunity to “work for whites.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist group activity, suggested that H.A.R.M. probably matched the names of those organizing the meeting on stormfront.org to those on a membership list of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement.”

So is Stromfront just “called racist” or are they actually a racist group?

Do you think the Nazi's were proud of their German heritage? Do you think their organization was about conserving “heritage” or was it about hate and violence?

78 posted on 05/25/2012 6:40:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
I read the whole article, not just the excerpt.

Fortunately for me I am neither retarded nor corrupt so therefore I do not post idiotic garbage like you do.

You claim that the victims of the felonious assault are "Stormfront members" and that the article states this to be the case. One passage from the article you cite as proof of your claim is this one:

The meeting of the Illinois European Heritage Association had been frequently mentioned on the “White Pride” webforum stormfront.org. It was called the “5 th Annual White Nationalist Economic summit” and promoted as an opportunity to “work for whites."

Any person who is not retarded can read the plain meaning of these words. This passage states that the victims are members of a group called the "Illinois European Heritage Association" and that the meeting was mentioned on some web forum. The passage simply does not state that the victims are members of any other group, including the group that apparently hosts the web forum, nor does it claim that there exists any relationship between the IEHA and the website host organization.

Period.

You further quote the article as follows:

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist group activity, suggested that H.A.R.M. probably matched the names of those organizing the meeting on stormfront.org to those on a membership list of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement.

Here some knowledge is helpful. The SPLC is the leftist media's favorite "anti-racist" organization. Why? Because they are utterly corrupt and dishonest hard-core leftists who reliably tell inflammatory lies in service to the leftist agenda of falsifying and exaggerating white racism.

Look at the passage. It is the word of the evil SPLC. It is entirely speculative with no evidence cited. And it does not claim that the assault victims are members of Stormfront.

So as you can plainly see, your claim that the victims are "Stormfront members" is completely unsupported by the article, just like I told you.

As I pointed out upthread, the leftists have brainwashed many Americans into instantly becoming retarded liars anytime some white people are accused of racism. You should learn to stop being the willing and corrupt tool of the leftists and start defending our Republic from the leftists instead.

79 posted on 05/25/2012 7:54:05 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Yeah, just because they organize their meetings on stormfront.org doesn't mean they are IN ANY WAY associated with stormfront!

Someone would have to be retarded corrupt and brainwashed to think that just because a group organizes via a neo-nazi website that they are in any way associated with neo-Nazis!

Laughable.

But go ahead and sign on to the notion that neo-nazi organizing, child porn having, Nazi identifying traitors are a group about “heritage” and people we as American conservatives should defend.

I find it amusing that those that go on about racial superiority are usually such utter mediocrities (or less) individually. You seem to be no exception other than coming off as even more retarded and ignorant than most. I guess you have to have SOMETHING to try to be proud of!

80 posted on 05/25/2012 8:08:59 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: rogue yam

I was thinking of the Ubermensch and Untermensch of Nazi Germany. They turned their racial pride and sense of superiority into a license to kill those who they considered Untermensch. While acknowledging that one has racial or cultural traits that may be exceptional, it does not make your group overall superior to another. To think such is where the slippery slope to considering of them as less than human begins.

Kinship to those you have ethnic ties with is healthy. When you start thinking that others are not as good as you because they are not like you, genocide is right around the corner.

When the black civil rights movement changed from “all men are equal” to “we deserve special treatment” they initiated an American caste system which has been shown to be inherently evil. That kind of thinking, that some people need to be treated differently because of their skin color, is the root of racism, no matter what group it is aimed at.


81 posted on 05/25/2012 8:41:38 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: allmendream

Again you demonstrate your idiocy and corruption.

The article is deliberately vague, but the claim that the meeting was organized on the web forum is implicitly attributed to the SPLC and is offered without substantiation. No evidence, a hard core leftist source, and still not even the assertion that the victims were “Stormfront members” as you claimed, yet on this basis you claim vindication.

Laughable.

Because you are so proud and self-righteous to be up on your “anti-racist” high horse (as the leftists have conditioned you to be) you think that logic and truth do not matter.

I know better.

You have been brainwashed by the leftists to think that you are being noble when you believe and repeat their propaganda. I can see the plain truth which is that the leftists have used your vanity to manipulate you into helping them do their dirty work of undermining our freedom.

See Genesis Charter 2 for the details.


82 posted on 05/25/2012 8:42:38 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Crusher138

Certainly disparate standards or treatment under the law meted out on the basis of race or ethnicity is always and everywhere wrong and un-American.

On this I fully concur.


83 posted on 05/25/2012 9:00:54 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
Well stormfront is organizing for the defense of their child porn and convicted felon with a firearm compatriots who were beaten up in the attack and then arrested for outstanding warrants.

And they frequent and organize their meetings onstormfront.org - no doubt to swap recipes for Mayans crab salad - and not to be traitorous racist Neo-Nazi swine.

And it was according to the Prosecutors office that these guys are associated with stormfront. Are the Prosecutors all engaged in “leftist propaganda” when they state the obvious (except apparently to you)?

http://www.businessinsider.com/five-charged-in-chicago-area-attack-against-white-supremacists-2012-5

“The diners assaulted at the Ashford House Restaurant claimed they belonged to an Illinois European heritage association tied to white supremacist groups White News Now and Stormfront, according to prosecutors”.

Maybe you would feel more at home at stormfront yourself, after all they are just a heritage group that is only “called racist” because they are white. /s

84 posted on 05/25/2012 9:06:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Your every post is more corrupt and unintelligent than the last.

Well stormfront is organizing for the defense of their child porn and convicted felon with a firearm compatriots who were beaten up in the attack and then arrested for outstanding warrants.

And they frequent and organize their meetings onstormfront.org - no doubt to swap recipes for Mayans crab salad - and not to be traitorous racist Neo-Nazi swine.

This is almost completely unhinged. These paragraphs don't really even make sense, but you appear to be asserting things that are not substantiated by any of the linked sources. How do you know what stormfront is doing with respect to anyone's defense? And who cares anyway?

The article you linked is a rewrite and truncation of another article linked here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-tinley-park-melee-0522-2-20120522,0,3730765.story

The Trib is a typical leftist rag and this article is patent leftist spew. It is from this garbage that your unsubstantiated assertion regarding unnamed "prosecutors" originates. You repeat it and hold it to be authoritative because you are so weak and corrupt that you have been tricked into promoting leftism as a way of gratifying your own ego.

Despite how stupid and dishonest you are, however, even you can read the original article and tell that it is leftist lies. Whether you are man enough to admit this, though, is still an open question.

85 posted on 05/25/2012 10:08:26 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Responsibility2nd

Best news of the day. Nuts fight nuts and get arrested for it.

Note: The Nazi/Racist movement is full of ex-cons and undercover cops. I bet that undercover cop about wet himself.


86 posted on 05/25/2012 10:10:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: rogue yam
Go ahead and join stormfront then, if they are just a “heritage” group and only “called racist” by brainwashed people as you assert.

I notice that despite me repeating the question to you repeatedly you just cannot bring yourself to admit that stormfront is a racist group.

That is very telling. As is your repeated lame attempts at insults. You are a piss poor excuse for a man. Good thing you have that ancestry you are so proud of because as an individual you are a disgrace!

87 posted on 05/25/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

You are an idiot and a liar.

This thread is not about stormfront.


88 posted on 05/25/2012 10:52:06 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: AppyPappy
Nuts fight nuts and get arrested for it.

"Fight" is not really the correct word here.

89 posted on 05/25/2012 10:54:02 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
You are an idiot racist liar.

This is about stormfront.

These idiots go on stormfront to talk to other like-minded idiot racist liars and organize meetings.

They are associated with stormfront and are listed as members of nationalist socialist organizations.

Stormfront is leading the charge in defending their child porn and convicted felon with firearms having compatriots.

Stormfront and rogue yam seem very interested in defending these guys.

Neo-Nazi-ism is not conservative.

Racism is not conservative.

You are not conservative.

You are a racist reactionary loon.

90 posted on 05/25/2012 11:06:27 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

You are totally losing it here.

All you have done in this latest reply is repeat a bunch of nonsense that I’ve already rebutted above.

The reason why you are feeling so boxed in right now is because you have followed a path of corruption, as I have already explained to you.

Get on the path of truth and you will no longer keep finding yourself at the end of these blind alleys.


91 posted on 05/25/2012 11:22:48 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
You mean the blind alley of trying to convince conservatives to support racist Nazi associating child porn having low life idiot rejects?

That is your blind alley.

Is stormfront a racist organization?

Just cannot bring yourself to answer?

Don't be a coward. Again. Answer the question.

Is stormfront a racist organization?

92 posted on 05/25/2012 11:30:07 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

The only things I have supported on this thread are telling the truth and obeying the law.

Both of these are conservative, your baseless accusations and wild, arrogant demands notwithstanding.

I’m trying to help you help yourself, and help is what you need.


93 posted on 05/25/2012 1:38:33 PM PDT by rogue yam
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