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Former Fukushima Worker: ‘I believe the country will be evacuated if No. 4 fuel pool collapses’
Energy News ^ | 5/22/2012 | Energy News

Posted on 05/23/2012 2:05:27 PM PDT by JohnKinAK

Former Fukushima Daiichi Worker: ‘I believe the country will be evacuated if No. 4 fuel pool collapses’ — ‘Should be hundreds or thousands of people working furiously every day’ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris Canine has 15 years experience as a Health Physics Technician, Chemist and Radiation Safety Instructor. He has worked at over 20 plants throughout the United States, Japan and Mexico — including Fukushima #1 and #2 in the late 1970′s.

On May 15, 2012 he wrote:

There are several reasons why I believe the country will be evacuated if the #4 SFP collapses. The amount of radioactive material in the fuel pool dwarfs the total amount at Chernobyl by a factor of 5 to 10. Chernobyl’s core was still mostly contained in a building (although heavily damaged), and most of the radioactive material melted downward and became lava like. If #4 SFP collapses it will be lying on the completely open ground, probably going critical on and off in portions of the pile for years. The dose rate from this pile will make dropping sand or anything from the air much more lethal than anything at Chernobyl. And probably impossible. The entire site at Fukushima will be uninhabitable and unworkable because of the dose rate coming from this pile of fuel. That means there will be no control of the other fuel pools, and we could lose control of them.

Nuclear experts will soft sell the ramifications because that is how the industry works. When the experts “have concerns” about the situation at #4 that means they are pooping their pants. My experience at Fukushima was 30 years ago. I worked in the industry for about 15 years as a health physics technician. I was also referred to as a “nuclear gypsy” because I traveled from plant to plant working outages. That meant I was always in the middle of the hottest jobs in the heart of the plant. The engineers will talk about this part or that part of a plant, but I have been all those places wearing full gear. He later noted: “No reasonable person with my type experience would question my conclusion if any of the fuel pools collapse. There should be hundreds or thousands of people working furiously every day to get the buildings fortified and the fuel moved.”


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Yikes!
1 posted on 05/23/2012 2:05:31 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Thank you for posting this. It is a VERY important piece of info that needs to get out and there is a huge media blackout on it.


2 posted on 05/23/2012 2:07:45 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: JohnKinAK

Idea: How about us taking all the Japaneese?

To mass-balance the globe, we’ll naturally have to ship all of our Muslims and liberals to Japan.

We benefit.

The Japanese benefit.

The world benefits.

Deal?


3 posted on 05/23/2012 2:09:08 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: JohnKinAK

Yikes, indeed.

Where would the Japanese go? China?

I hope the pool holds. Can anyone guess how long the period of extreme danger is?


4 posted on 05/23/2012 2:09:56 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Convenient that it is next to the open pristine ocean. [/s].


5 posted on 05/23/2012 2:12:27 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Oahu? Guam?

Both islands may tip over


6 posted on 05/23/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Oahu? Guam?

Both islands may tip over


7 posted on 05/23/2012 2:13:15 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: lonevoice

Prayers for Japan.


8 posted on 05/23/2012 2:13:44 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: JohnKinAK

Nuke it from space....it’s the only way to be sure.............


9 posted on 05/23/2012 2:14:11 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Da Coyote

Deal!


10 posted on 05/23/2012 2:15:20 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: silverleaf

If the pool eats down to the waterlevel the water will come to the surface and Japan will tip over and sink.


11 posted on 05/23/2012 2:16:07 PM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican elites, are Big Government socialists, Grand Ole Sociali)
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To: JohnKinAK

Judging by the misrepresentation of this guy’s employment, I call BS.


12 posted on 05/23/2012 2:17:41 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: silverleaf

Manchukuo.


13 posted on 05/23/2012 2:18:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: JohnKinAK

Ah so.


14 posted on 05/23/2012 2:19:32 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Da Coyote

No deal. The Japanese need to live (or try) in the bed they made. If reversed, do you think for a second they ‘accept’ any emigrees to Japan?


15 posted on 05/23/2012 2:19:49 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

300 years or so


16 posted on 05/23/2012 2:21:27 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Da Coyote

Our State Department needs you.


17 posted on 05/23/2012 2:22:00 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: JohnKinAK

This report comes from what appears to be a rabidly anti-nuke site. How about finding something where it looks like grown-ups also contribute to the comments.


18 posted on 05/23/2012 2:23:50 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Diogenesis
Convenient that it is next to the open pristine ocean.

Is that heavy metal in your tuna mercury or something a bit denser and hotter?

19 posted on 05/23/2012 2:24:36 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: JohnKinAK

The WHOLE country? Where on earth would they go and how?


20 posted on 05/23/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: JohnKinAK

“When the experts “have concerns” about the situation at #4 that means they are pooping their pants.”

How many professionals would post something like this?

I don’t know whats going on at #4 and have read that all sorts of death, doom, and generally bad things are heading our way in the aftermath of Fukushima ... however ... “pooping their pants” ... in an article like this? Really?


21 posted on 05/23/2012 2:27:51 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: Da Coyote

I would take that deal in a NY minute!!!!


22 posted on 05/23/2012 2:31:49 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Da Coyote

Works for me!


23 posted on 05/23/2012 2:33:00 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JohnKinAK
Been some very weird stuff going on at Fukushima the past few weeks. Check out the videos below. There are bright flashes that just appear on the ground. No idea what they are.

First notice the steam coming out of the reactors on May 2nd. Then at about the 52 second mark, a bright flash appears on the ground. Lower right side. Then at 2:19 and 2:22 it happens again, but much brighter and over more ground areas.

2012.05.02 01:00-02:00 (Live Fukushima Nuclear Plant Cam)

At 35 seconds it happens again on May 23rd.

2012.05.23 00:00-01:00(Live Fukushima Nuclear Plant Cam)

Any ideas besides (I am not saying its space aliens, but its space aliens).

24 posted on 05/23/2012 2:33:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: edh
How many professionals would post something like this?

Good call. Thanks.

25 posted on 05/23/2012 2:45:09 PM PDT by houeto (FReepathon 2Q! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: edh

I don’t really like talk like that either, but on consideration I decided that it was helpful in making his point.


26 posted on 05/23/2012 2:46:07 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: douginthearmy

Never met a HPT that didn’t think they didn’t know everything about everything.

Stay on the step off pad and shut the hell up!


27 posted on 05/23/2012 2:47:14 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: JohnKinAK

Very scary article here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28870
Can not speak to the accuracy or bias of info on this site. If true we should be quite conerned.


28 posted on 05/23/2012 2:47:39 PM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: edh

““When the experts “have concerns” about the situation at #4 that means they are pooping their pants.”

If they are saying the Experts are “pooping their pants” I wouldn’t worry about that too much. In Japan, pooping your pants is a common foreplay ritual, so it can’t be THAT bad can it?


29 posted on 05/23/2012 2:50:30 PM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: JohnKinAK

What’s being done:
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Fukushima_fuel_removal_buildings_1904121.html

The pool support has already been reinforced.

If another 100-year earthquake comes along in the meantime, the #4SFP probably won’t be the largest problem Japan will have.


30 posted on 05/23/2012 2:52:38 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Thanks, you’ve just ruined it for the “doom and gloomers.”


31 posted on 05/23/2012 2:55:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pearls Before Swine
IIRC they have done something to reinforce that pool from the damage done by the H2 explosion. The pools contents remain ok. The most worrisome is doubtless the prior core of reactor No. 4, which IIRC was placed in the pool late 2010. I don't recall off the top of my head how long cores are normally held in local spent fuel pools before eligible for further processing, but this core has been there about 1.5 years and the rest of the pool's contents significantly longer. They've started work, at least design stage, for a building next door and over the pool, containing a suitable crane for removing its contents to better locations, the original crane being out of order from the explosion. If you follow the links from the above link they are aiming to start removing its fuel in about 15 months. However, they state the uncertain conditions of the debris may extend that. I don't know if they're doing all they can do, but they are doing non-trivial things.
32 posted on 05/23/2012 2:58:28 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: justa-hairyape
Been some very weird stuff going on at Fukushima the past few weeks. Check out the videos below. There are bright flashes that just appear on the ground. No idea what they are.

Vehicle headlights.

33 posted on 05/23/2012 3:08:04 PM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: justa-hairyape
Any ideas besides (I am not saying its space aliens, but its space aliens).

Godzilla probably knows the answer.

34 posted on 05/23/2012 3:12:33 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Da Coyote

[ Idea: How about us taking all the Japaneese?

To mass-balance the globe, we’ll naturally have to ship all of our Muslims and liberals to Japan.

We benefit.

The Japanese benefit.

The world benefits.

Deal? ]

I like this idea provided they evacuate all of the cool landmarks and stuff because if we ship the crazies over there they will blow them up with dinomite like the buddist statues in afghanistan.


35 posted on 05/23/2012 3:12:41 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Pearls Before Swine

[ Yikes, indeed.

Where would the Japanese go? China?

I hope the pool holds. Can anyone guess how long the period of extreme danger is? ]

The Japanese would rather live in siberia than move to china....

That being said we could move ALL the japanese here and we could use the a little of “Japanese Xenophobia” and “Japanese UN-PC attitude” in the ol’ melting pot.


36 posted on 05/23/2012 3:14:02 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: JohnKinAK

First, Japan is kind of a long, skinny country. Korea and parts of China would be in greater proximity and danger than would parts of Japan. Second, as several posters have pointed out, they are doing “something”. There are likely some environmental politics in this article.

A catastrophic failure is certainly possible but not likely. Another 9.0 tremor could do it.


37 posted on 05/23/2012 3:15:41 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I say evacuate the Japanese to Hawaii and California!

They would be a fine addition to those two overly liberal states.

10 million or so in NY wouldn’t hurt either.


38 posted on 05/23/2012 3:19:21 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I clicked in thinking this was just more hysteria. I leave very concerned. I had no idea there is that much spent fuel laying around there. And we have similar storage situations all over this country because Harry Reid (with a lot of help) got the Yucca Mountain project killed.


39 posted on 05/23/2012 3:20:03 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I don’t think the Japanese will be going to China. There are still a lot of hard feelings over what they did to the Chinese in the late ‘30’s.


40 posted on 05/23/2012 3:22:07 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Bobalu

I’ll take Hawaii ( The Big Island ) . Already lived in NY . No way I’m going back there even thought my family all live on Long Island .


41 posted on 05/23/2012 3:24:16 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: GraceG

“I hope the pool holds. Can anyone guess how long the period of extreme danger is?”

It’s passed. You missed it.

The most dangerous period was before the damaged structure holding the pool was reinforced.


42 posted on 05/23/2012 3:28:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: justa-hairyape

Being they are in the same spot and in a line, I am going to vote on headlights.


43 posted on 05/23/2012 3:29:32 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: JohnKinAK

This is a tremendous opportunity for Japan. They clean up this site, just like they cleaned up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they will be the go-to experts in cleaning up dirty nuke sites. This is a growth industry.


44 posted on 05/23/2012 3:30:51 PM PDT by Kevmo (SUCINOFRAGOPWIASS: Shut Up, CINOs; Free Republic Aint a GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: STYRO

Not to worry. The Japanese can take it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7xSG_k0cZc


45 posted on 05/23/2012 3:32:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Bobalu
10 million or so in NY wouldn’t hurt either.

Hey, hey, hey! I live in NY.

46 posted on 05/23/2012 3:33:54 PM PDT by JohnG45
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To: sushiman

You can come and stay with us for free if you bring Endo Shozo and Tanaka Naoki from Cocorico with you for my girls.


47 posted on 05/23/2012 3:34:19 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: justa-hairyape
Then at about the 52 second mark, a bright flash appears on the ground. Lower right side.

There is probably a concrete wall on the right side of the picture. Maybe the camera is mounted on that wall. Then the flashes would be simply headlights of a car, with light going in between panels of the wall.

You can see that the light is coming as a narrow beam from that side (from the right, behind the camera) because it illuminates only few objects. The duration of the light also corresponds to a typical movement of a vehicle.

At least that's what Mr. Occam says.

48 posted on 05/23/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: GraceG
The Japanese would rather live in siberia than move to china....

And the Chinese wouldn't exactly welcome them with open arms--which is what I was getting at without writing an explicit /S tag.

49 posted on 05/23/2012 3:49:32 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Da Coyote

Amen. The Japanese people are wonderful. The other two mentioned groups hate us so our country would benefit and prosper.


50 posted on 05/23/2012 4:02:56 PM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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