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Firefighters hurt battling blaze on nuclear sub in Maine
bostonherald ^ | May 23, 2012 | Jordan Graham

Posted on 05/23/2012 5:32:52 PM PDT by moonshot925

KITTERY, Maine — Multiple firefighters were reportedly injured while battling a fire aboard the USS Miami nuclear-powered attack submarine tonight at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, according to a shipyard official and emergency radio communications.

Firefighters were initially called to the Shipyard just before 6 p.m. for a report of a fire on a ship in dry dock. According to emergency scanner traffic, fire crews encountered heavy smoke and fire and two firefighters were taken from the scene with injuries. Two additional firefighters were later reported as requiring transport from the scene.

Shipyard public affairs specialist Gary Hildreth said the fire is located in the forward compartment of the ship and all nonessential personnel were ordered to evacuate.

As of 7:30 p.m., black smoke visible from Prescott Park in Portsmouth, N.H., continued to billow from the dry dock. A Portsmouth fire truck was on standby at Peirce Island.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: american; fire; nuclear; submarine

1 posted on 05/23/2012 5:33:00 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925; Admin Moderator

should be in “breaking” rather than general/chat. Hope everyone is ok.


2 posted on 05/23/2012 5:40:21 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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3 posted on 05/23/2012 5:42:21 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

I have a New Hamshite station on my cable system...I’ll have to tune into their 11PM News for coverage.


4 posted on 05/23/2012 5:45:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: moonshot925

In dry dock it’s not surprising. A lot of debris, cardboard and other trash builds up during overhaul. Usually, however, there should have been a fire watch from the crew watching if there was any welding, etc going on.


5 posted on 05/23/2012 5:50:20 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: moonshot925

And if no fire watch then the below decks watch should have caught it.


6 posted on 05/23/2012 5:52:18 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: moonshot925

Loose Lips Sink Ships!


7 posted on 05/23/2012 5:52:47 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I’ll guarantee there was a fire watch stationed if any hot work was going on. In addition, there would have been crew briefings about the work, and regular MC announcements throughout the ship while the work was in process.

Too early to tell what has caused the fire.


8 posted on 05/23/2012 5:56:11 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: moonshot925

I bet it’s a conspiracy to get to decommission nuke subs.


9 posted on 05/23/2012 5:57:41 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: moonshot925

Interesting that this season final shows of NCIS was about fires on US Navy vessels....

Art imitating life or Something like that....

Of course it was a evil middle aged white guy who is the mastermind....


10 posted on 05/23/2012 5:58:56 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: moonshot925

I would imagine fighting a fire in that sealed ship would be tough as there is little way to ventilate heat and smoke to the outside.

As the fire is pushed back smoke and heat ,along with steam from the hose line,hits the back wall and comes right back at you.Ventilation is a necessary part of firefighting, without it the job is tough. I don’t know anything about firefighting in a submarine, but I would imagine the close quarters means only the one lineman and his officer can attack it at one time and others have to wait behind until their bottles are used up, and they can get to the entranceway to the fire.


11 posted on 05/23/2012 6:18:54 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rottndog

Too early to tell what has caused the fire.


Ah those Los Angeles Laker fans rioting again after they lost, no, um, the Miami Heat..... but they are still playing....wait, uh,.... oh , a nuclear submarine...

sorry. dyslexia glasses backwards again..


12 posted on 05/23/2012 6:19:16 PM PDT by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (It was Bush's fault.)
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To: Randy Larsen

Ivan must have a lot of loose lips.


13 posted on 05/23/2012 6:21:26 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: rottndog

Well rottndog,
You’re the pro from Dover when it comes to subs.
Ever get nervous being Waaay down deep?
Scuba Diver here, been down a whole 150 feet, big whoop.


14 posted on 05/23/2012 6:33:38 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Venturer

A fire on a boat is one of the worst casualties...the first thing to happen is ventilation is secured—you don’t want to be pumping smoke to other parts of the boat. In port, you can ventilate the ship, but only after the unaffected compartments are protected from the smoke. The worst case scenario is if the interior hull insulation catches fire—very toxic smoke, and difficult to extinguish.

When a fire is called, the offgoing watch (casualty assistance team) meets up where directed (usually the crew’s mess), puts on firefighting gear, and proceeds to the fire. They will use a charged seawater hose, and will consist of at least 2 hose handlers and another man with a hand held thermal imager. The thermal imger allows the handler to direct where the hose nozzelman points the water—can’t actually see the fire in a darkened compartment or if it’s in an area obscured by equipment.

It’s all very tightly controlled....and we did numerous fire drills and simulations while underway.


15 posted on 05/23/2012 6:40:36 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: Joe Boucher

No, never got nervous on the boat. Deep, shallow, didn’t matter. Always too busy doing my job to think about it...and after enough sleep deprivation, didn’t care.


16 posted on 05/23/2012 6:43:48 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: rottndog

Heard you sub boys were always “nearly the best” there was???
I wouldn’t know I worked, “military intelligence”. Bunch of slackers and dumb asses.


17 posted on 05/23/2012 6:46:36 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher

I was an electronics technician aboard USS Francis Scott Key (SSBN-657) from 1984 to 1989.

Our boat carried 16 Trident C4 SLBMs. Each SLBM carried 8 W76 100 kiloton warheads. 5 times the power of Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima.

Boomers are and always were the most important part of our strategic nuclear deterrent.


18 posted on 05/23/2012 6:56:40 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Joe Boucher
Bunch of slackers and dumb asses.

We got our fair share of those...I remember one dufus the boat let out a couple of years before his enlistment was up, for the good of the Navy.
19 posted on 05/23/2012 6:58:15 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: moonshot925
My mistake — I misread the headline. I thought it said a Los Angeles class nuclear submarine FIRED on Portsmouth Naval Shipyard.
20 posted on 05/23/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: rottndog

Your overview of the firefighting procedure is very good, IF the ship is underway. In an overhaul environment, all bets are off. The crew is usually not berthed on the boat and the only crew members (forward that is, the nukes have their cold iron watches as well) may be the topside watch and the below decks watch. Ship’s ventilation may well be in various states of disassembly and ventilation is usually provided by shipyard supplied Red Devil blowers. Prayers for the crew and yardbirds involved.


21 posted on 05/23/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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In port, the crew will respond to the fire immediately, and as soon as the shipyard firefighters arrive, we turn it over to them.

Yes, prayers for the crew....


23 posted on 05/23/2012 7:38:46 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: rottndog

FRom reports I heard on FOX this morning it took considerable time to reach the fire and get it out. The sub is roughly 22 years old looking at Navy records. I’d say the detailers are going to be busy.


24 posted on 05/24/2012 5:43:16 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..
Ping ) ) ) ) ) )
25 posted on 05/24/2012 8:35:38 AM PDT by SmithL (If you reward certain behavior, don't be surprised when you see more of that behavior)
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To: Popman

>>Art imitating life or Something like that....

I served on a 26 year old SSN (Skipjack class). Fires were a daily occurrence. This one seems really bad, but they are in drydock and welding fires are common, but they usually get put out by the fire watch. They probalby have the whole crew at diversity training right now so no one is doing fire watch.


26 posted on 05/24/2012 10:27:37 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SmithL

Thanks for the ping! prayers for those injured.


27 posted on 05/24/2012 12:33:45 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: moonshot925

We should have shut Portsmouth NSY down when we had the chance——Imitating the Russians is just dumbass regardless of the actual cause. And by the way-—there IS NO justifiable cause——way too many safety systems / equipments in place for something as stooopid as this to happen. Maybe the captain had an out of date map? The officers bunks are forward-—maybe two gay ones were having a friction party? The first video I saw showed fire hoses outside playing water on the outer hull where the bunks would be. I dunno but it’s disgusting that someone got on the wrong page.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 2:06:12 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cva66snipe

Sounds like it may in fact have been hull insulation burning...there’s so much stuffed inside the hull that often it’s almost impossible to get water directly on what’s burning, and hull insulation is the most inaccessible flammable material on the boat.

Still have to wait for an investigation though.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 3:49:10 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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The first video I saw showed fire hoses outside playing water on the outer hull where the bunks would be. I dunno but it’s disgusting that someone got on the wrong page.

Have you ever been a Navy shipboard fire fighter? If they were spraying the hull they were doing what they were supposed to do. Fire on a ship {any ship} has a fast heat transfer rate to adjoining compartments. Too minimize that transfer so the fire simply by that heat transfer doesn't cause more fire in other spaces you do compartmental cooling off all adjoin spaces you can reach. It is standard U.S. Navy fire fighting protocol.

Fires can start from many non negligent causes. One of the more common is electrical where you either get a loose connection which will not trip breakers or fuses but heat to extremes or frayed or damaged cable unseen to the eye.

A fire on a ship can be hard to detect and isolated to a small space for hours under the right conditions where oxygen is low like in the insulation as one guy talks about. Once it burns through enough where it reaches sufficent oxygen then it's Katey bar the door.

Nobody on a ship wants a fire in any venue in port or at sea. Fire is the most feared and serious event short of coming under direct attack.

I spent a total of nine months of my four years on ship assigned solely to the ships Fire Department doing nothing but fire fighting. One of the worse fires we fought started in the shipyard. It was a storeroom fire and the heat transfer within minutes had climbed two decks up too the crew barber shop. The deck in the barber shop was so hot the floor tiles were bubbling. We flooded the deck.

The most annoying fires happened the night after Field Day when swabs used for waxing floors had not been properly rinsed out and after being placed in a locker caught fire by spontaneous combustion. But a Class C {electrical} fire can very quickly become a class Alpha fire by igniting other objects.

The larger ships like carriers back in about 1980 went to a full time onboard fire department for both at sea and in port. It made much better sense to pool persons from each department of the ship and train them for fire fighters than the old protocol which was to let the Hull Techs do it all which could in a bad fire take most of them out.

30 posted on 05/24/2012 5:41:01 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

My son is a ‘glow worm’ on an LA class sub, and I remember him saying he’s a Fireman.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 5:51:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

There’s firemen {Fireman is a term meaning a person who works in Enginering also known as a Snipe} and there are fire fighters. If he is a fireman {red stripes on dress blues uniform} he could be a Machinist Mate, Electricians Mate, Engineman, Machinery Repairman, or a Hull Technician.


32 posted on 05/24/2012 6:04:39 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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Most common fire when I was on a boat was a clothes dryer fire, cause by the combination of not cleaning out the lint, and the user not allowing the dryer to finish it’s cycle (the last 5 minutes of the cycle allows the dryer to cool down).

On a submarine, everybody trains as a firefighter.


33 posted on 05/24/2012 6:11:55 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: cva66snipe

Ah. He is an Electicians Mate. They seem to have quite a few of those, but I don’t recall any mention of there being an actual Electrician.


34 posted on 05/24/2012 6:19:35 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: rottndog
On a submarine, everybody trains as a firefighter.

Yea so I heard. A friend I grew up with was an instructor in the mid 80's in Idaho. He was on an LA class boat before that.

35 posted on 05/24/2012 6:24:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: tacticalogic
Ah. He is an Electicians Mate. They seem to have quite a few of those, but I don’t recall any mention of there being an actual Electrician.

He's an electrican and will have good training for when he gets out. I was a Machinist Mate.

36 posted on 05/24/2012 6:29:03 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: tacticalogic
Ah. He is an Electicians Mate. They seem to have quite a few of those, but I don’t recall any mention of there being an actual Electrician.

He's an electrican and will have good training for when he gets out. I was a Machinist Mate.

37 posted on 05/24/2012 6:38:12 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Not sure how it all works, but he started out taking care of instrument calibrations on the boat he’s assigned to, and now he seems to be responsible seeing that it gets done on some of the others, too.


38 posted on 05/24/2012 7:06:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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