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Watch out, Denver! Cop reinstated after 143 mph drunken joyride
dailycaller.com ^ | 5-23-2012 | Steven Nelson

Posted on 05/24/2012 4:00:13 AM PDT by servo1969

A troubled Denver police officer has been reinstated after a three-member panel of the city’s Civil Service Commission overturned his termination for driving 143 miles per hour while drunk.

Derrick Saunders was arrested on June 17, 2010 for cruising 88 miles per hour over the posted speed limit. He had a .089 blood alcohol level at the time of his arrest.

This wasn’t the officer’s first run-in with the law. Since he was hired by the police force in 2007, other felonious allegations against Saunders include brandishing a gun to scare McDonald’s employees into working faster.

ABC 7 reports that in 2009, Saunders, then assigned to securing Denver International Airport, grew impatient while waiting for his order at the fast food restaurant. He allegedly pulled a gun on employees when they failed to prepare his food with the utmost haste.

A jury acquitted Saunders of the gun-brandishing allegations in April 2010 — one month before his undisputed high-speed joyride.

In canning Saunders, who pled guilty to drunk and reckless driving charges, city safety manager Alex Martinez wrote, “The fact that you drove at this dangerous speed while your ability to drive was impaired by alcohol is shocking.”

The three-member panel of the Civil Service Commission that reviewed Saunders’ case, however, decided that Martinez had “failed to prove any extraordinary aggravation” and “also failed to consider mitigating factors.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cop; drunk; reinstated; speeding; standingarmy
Hi. My name is Derrick Saunders and I can do anything I damn well please. And I can arrest you if you don't like it.

“[T]he disciplinary action of termination far exceeds the discipline given to other officers in comparative or greater misconduct cases,” the commissioners said.

Martinez is outraged by the decision, saying in a statement published by the Denver Post that, “this decision completely misinterprets the disciplinary code, undermines civilian authority to manage the police and uses the concept of consistent discipline to confine the department to the distant past.”

Martinez, who is appealing the reinstatement, added that, “We would never hire someone as a law enforcement officer who had engaged in this behavior.”

1 posted on 05/24/2012 4:00:27 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Let me see, the reason he was reinstated is because ______

(Queue the “That’s racist!” little boy graphic.)


2 posted on 05/24/2012 4:03:32 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: servo1969

Maybe the folks sitting on the Civil Service Commission at the same pigment color of this person Derrick? Ought to make you feel real protected having someone of his level of integrity watching your streets at night.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 4:06:06 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: servo1969

143mph? What the hell was he driving?


4 posted on 05/24/2012 4:10:26 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

You need a pretty good sports car to hit almost 150 MPH.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 4:21:11 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: servo1969

Ahhhhhh!!

I knew it.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 4:24:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: carriage_hill

Might have been a crotch rocket.

Those sport bikes can reach that speed easily.

I don’t know what they used to catch him.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 4:25:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: carriage_hill
"143mph? What the hell was he driving?"

"Since that acquittal, the Colorado State Patrol arrested Saunders for DUI, speeding at more than 40 miles per hour over the posted speed limit and reckless driving. According to court records, the arrest was made by the State Patrol on Gun Club Road in Arapahoe County late on the night of June 17. Documents say Saunders was at the wheel of a 2008 Infiniti that was clocked at 143 miles per hour in a 55 mph zone. Saunders submitted to a DUI test which the Colorado State Patrol says showed the officer was legally drunk."

Not only is Denver incapable of controlling their uniformed gangsters' behavior, it looks like they overpay them.

8 posted on 05/24/2012 4:26:29 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: servo1969
Disturbing in the extreme, but in his profession, lapses in judgment are generally fatal. Therefore, self-limiting. Darwin will handle this, as he will soon stop a bullet or be extruded through an automobile radiator.
9 posted on 05/24/2012 4:40:56 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: 6SJ7

That, or a “rice-rocket” motorcycle. In any case, it’s not easy to ‘maintain control’ on the crappy public roadways for a very long distance, and stopping it safely is also a ‘minor problem’.


10 posted on 05/24/2012 4:46:21 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Venturer

That’s what I originally thought:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2887400/posts?page=10#10

In any case, stopping safely/short from 143mph is no small feat, either, whatever you’re riding/driving. A rabbit/deer in the roadway is almost always fatal...

I sure wouldn’t give pursuit, if I was a LEO. Let the radio and chopper do the dangerous work. Pity anyone who got in his way.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 4:50:11 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Sooth2222

“...a 2008 Infiniti that was clocked at 143 miles per hour...”

Who knew they go that fast? “The need for speed”?


12 posted on 05/24/2012 4:52:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

I once hit 240 kph (around 145 mph) in a 5-series BMW back in 2000.

Of course, I was working in Stuttgart Germany and did that on the Autobahn.


13 posted on 05/24/2012 4:59:28 AM PDT by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: fredhead

Those roads are built for it. They’re pretty safe drivers at the higher-than-here speeds, too. But when there’s an *accident* over there, it’s usually a big one with a lot of carnage, IIRC.


14 posted on 05/24/2012 5:07:16 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: 6SJ7

My 2007 Crown Vic Police interceptor does 140, no problem.


15 posted on 05/24/2012 5:15:45 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: servo1969

He wasn’t just driving way over the speed limit, he was legally impaired. No sympathy.


16 posted on 05/24/2012 5:45:11 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: fredhead
I once hit 240 kph (around 145 mph) in a 5-series BMW back in 2000. Of course, I was working in Stuttgart Germany and did that on the Autobahn.

Hey, me too (but it was in a low-end Mercedes).

Two major differences:

1) The Autobahn is REALLY built well and those speeds seem like 70 on the interstate.

2) It was embarrassing that even at that speed I'd have soccer moms in diesel Peugots flying past me.
17 posted on 05/24/2012 6:01:56 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: eyeamok
I looked up the specs on an example Infiniti. The G37 has 330hp and is supposed to be "limited" to 155 mph. Yikes! I also found a reference that said braking from 60 -> 0 mph takes 111 ft. Extrapolating that to 143 mph gives you just about 265 ft or basically a couple of car lengths shy of a football field. That assumes no fade, that the brakes can dissipate that much energy into the thin Colorado air that quickly...

I also google-mapped gun club road there in Arapahoe Cty. It is in Aurora just SE of Buckley AFB. It looks to be fairly straight and barren on either side, but only about 3 - 4 miles long.

So the facts of the story make sense, even if they reflect monumental bad judgement. That's the crux of the issue for me. This guy should've been fired on the spot. Literally, I'd have called his supervisor that night at his arrest and the paperwork would've been done by the next morning.

Most reasonable people (sorry lib-lurkers) understand that while at work your employer expects you to conduct yourself in a reasonably professional manner - dress/uniform, dealing with coworkers and custoemrs/clients, etc. Unless you're self-employed, you've got to play by their rules because hey, it's their business, their reputation, etc. Off duty, free time is yours to do with as you please.

There are a whole lot of jobs/careers/fields however where even your "off" time and the way you conduct yourself there impact your professional life. Generally these tend to be jobs where you may be called upon to make or entrusted with decisions that have serious consequences for large numbers of people. For example: police officers, firemen, doctors, politicians/leaders, military commanders, people with security clearances, pilots, ships captains, corporate leaders... etc.

All of these people are entrusted to make serious decisions, protect information/confidentiality, etc. Therefore the judgement (or lack thereof) they show "off duty" is just as important as what they do "on duty." You don't want someone with a history or pattern of making bad calls deciding on your medical treatment, patrolling your streets armed, sending your son/daughter into battle, keeping your secrets safe from the Chinese, etc.

I know "liberals" have a hard time with this concept - "what I do in my private life should be private." Yes, I agree, unless you want to take on the responsibility of one of these kinds of positions. Then the "whole you" comes into play and consideration. And that, wrapping back around to this case, is why I feel this guy self-selected out of the peace officer profession. There is no way I want someone with a history of these kinds of lapses in judgement pulling me over at night. Maybe he gets nervous, makes yet another bad call and decides to shoot me 'cause he feels threatened. Sure, maybe witnesses and/or in-car video nails him and he does time but, ah, I'm still dead. In some professions, you don't wait for the indicators from someone's personal life to finally bleed over into their professional life, the consequences are too grave. He should be out on his ***.

18 posted on 05/24/2012 6:11:15 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: fredhead
I once hit 240 kph (around 145 mph) in a 5-series BMW back in 2000. Of course, I was working in Stuttgart Germany and did that on the Autobahn.

Hey, me too (but it was in a low-end Mercedes).

Two major differences:

1) The Autobahn is REALLY built well and those speeds seem like 70 on the interstate.

2) It was embarrassing that even at that speed I'd have soccer moms in diesel Peugots flying past me.
19 posted on 05/24/2012 6:14:24 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: servo1969

He waved a gun at McDonalds employees? I’ll bet they put a booger in his Big Mac.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 6:15:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: servo1969

Send all the DUI cases to the civil service commission. See how they like it.


21 posted on 05/24/2012 6:17:55 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Venturer

“I don’t know what they used to catch him.”


Motorola!

No car/bike can out run Motorola!


22 posted on 05/24/2012 6:40:29 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Wurlitzer

” Now you might outrun my old Chevrolet but you can’t outrun my own two way”

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Sheriff-Of-Boone-County-lyrics-Kenny-Price/D4CEE385A784192048256E610009785C


23 posted on 05/24/2012 6:52:45 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: samtheman
Let me see, the reason he was reinstated is because ______

Because he is union member and the civil service commission that investigated the charges is made up of current or former UNION MEMBERS.

24 posted on 05/24/2012 6:58:17 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: PowderMonkey

Darwin’s law is self-limiting, but the laws he broke are there to protect the rest of us. The number of little roadside shrines to dead motorists I saw on I-25 from Denver south to the New Mexico border still haunts me.


25 posted on 05/24/2012 7:58:43 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: carriage_hill

Can you imagine yourself going ten miles over the speed limit and being pulled over by this clown?


26 posted on 05/24/2012 8:48:33 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I’d bet he writes tickets at 6-7mph over the limit, to make his quota for the revenue. Every driver should have the article in their car, and flash it at him, asking “Is this YOU, drunken clown with a badge?” That’d be good for a ticket, a clubbing and a hate crime charge, probably.


27 posted on 05/24/2012 12:16:27 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: servo1969

Lessee, Civil Service Commission = “Holder’s People”? $10 says probably so.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 12:19:26 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: servo1969

Wonderful. Now when this clown kills some innocent person the entire City of Denver will be on the fiscal hook for it.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 12:26:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: servo1969
The speeding is ridiculous, but

He had a .089 blood alcohol level at the time of his arrest.

I have a hard time regarding .089% as "drunk". The old limit was .1%, and that seemed about right to me.

That said, his judgment was poor regardless of his BAC, and he should have been drummed out for it.
30 posted on 08/28/2012 9:15:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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