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Should we have some criteria to be a voter?
5/24/12

Posted on 05/24/2012 4:40:20 AM PDT by bestintxas

While I voted in the primary yesterday, I saw one women come up to the booth, look at the machine display for awhile, then turn around and asked the monitor

"Don't they have a straight-party ticket here?"

The monitor had to explain to her that this was a primary only on who from each party should be on the November ballot.

My question is simple:

Should some imbecile like that even be allowed to vote?

No wonder we have Obama as President, when idiots show up knowing nothing about why they are even there.


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1 posted on 05/24/2012 4:40:22 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas
I really do believe that you should have to pass a simple current events test to vote. Jay Leno's street interviews are proof of that. If you're unwilling to be informed on gov’t, why should you vote in its determination? Of course, this would never be acceptable. Liberals even fight voter identification. Still, the Founding Fathers had conditions to vote (i.e., land ownership). Perhaps it's time to place some restrictions on the right to vote, and voter ID cards is a minimum for me.
2 posted on 05/24/2012 4:45:33 AM PDT by econjack
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To: bestintxas

Most people couldn’t tell you the difference between a primary and general election.

(Obviously, we are not spending enough on public schools!)


3 posted on 05/24/2012 4:47:56 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: bestintxas

You know, I've wondered the same thing myself ... many times.

4 posted on 05/24/2012 4:51:55 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: econjack

The Founding Fathers had wisdom.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 4:52:44 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: econjack

The Founding Fathers had wisdom.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 4:52:48 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: bestintxas

I believe owning real property (land, house, trailer, condo, etc.) should be a requirement for voting. When you own real property you have a stake in your community and will likely vote for people who will maintain these property values (through good economic growth, freedom to use your property to your benefit, low crime, etc.) This is good for society overall and was actually the law of the land when the country was founded.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 4:53:12 AM PDT by SteelToe
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To: bestintxas
Our forefathers had the right concept at the time....you needed to have an interest (property) in the country.

And as far as the womens vote (yes, I'm a woman), I see them in more cases than not as cancelling their husbands vote. It sure messes things up.

8 posted on 05/24/2012 4:55:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bestintxas

Right now breathing isn’t a requirement.......


9 posted on 05/24/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: bestintxas

Do you mean “We don’t need no stinkin’ badges!” isn’t sufficient?


10 posted on 05/24/2012 4:56:50 AM PDT by stanne
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To: bestintxas

Criteria: SKIN IN THE GAME

You must be a property owner and pay taxes, or serve in the military.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 4:57:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bestintxas

How about being a landowner that actually pays taxes rather than receives money from the government? Those qualifications sound great.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 4:59:05 AM PDT by she geek
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To: she geek

One minute apart with the same idea...


13 posted on 05/24/2012 5:01:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bestintxas

“Should some imbecile like that even be allowed to vote?”
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Obviously not but then someone who could not pass a background check to enter the military should not be allowed to be president either. A tax cheat should not be alllowed to be treasury secretary, a racist who refers to “my people” and refuses to prosecute “my people” for obvious crimes should not be allowed to be attorney general. These things have come about because any and every dingaling is allowed to vote upon reaching the age of 18. There is no reason whatsoever that a person of any age who is illiterate, unemployed and living on government handouts should be allowed to vote. This is so simple that anyone who even questions it should not be allowed to vote.


14 posted on 05/24/2012 5:03:24 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: bestintxas

I’m all for conditions but we can’t even get past “are you a LEGAL citizen of this country ?”.......


15 posted on 05/24/2012 5:03:38 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: bestintxas

Yes. Only males over Forty.


16 posted on 05/24/2012 5:05:17 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: bestintxas

In my state, it is fine to haul a senile older person into the booth, and “help” them vote.


17 posted on 05/24/2012 5:07:10 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bestintxas

While not ideal, even the illiterate must be allowed to vote
in a free democracy.
That, however, is not the problem in America.
Criminal tugs now run the voting...people voting more then once, no voter ID, no poll control, illegals voting...the list goes on.

It should be simple, as it was when I last voted.
I walked into my polling place. Often I was known by the officials at the site. If not, my name was on their books, along with my voting records. While it never came up, I did have a voter registration card in case there was anything questionable.

I just can not see why anyone, other then a Commie democrap, could find anything wrong with this system.

Just as a side note:
In 1964, I had a summer job programing {mechanical) voting machines for the presidential election... Shelby County, TN.


18 posted on 05/24/2012 5:09:35 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: SteelToe

I believe owning real property (land, house, trailer, condo, etc.) should be a requirement for voting.
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Absolutely. Why should people who have no property have the right to raise property taxes on those who do? Where is the social justice ?(sarc).


19 posted on 05/24/2012 5:10:33 AM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: bestintxas

How can we have objective standards for voters when the dead still vote?


20 posted on 05/24/2012 5:22:36 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: bestintxas

Heinlein’s ‘Starship Troopers’ had an interesting take on it.


21 posted on 05/24/2012 5:28:51 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: bestintxas

I’d like to point out that the original post does not mention party; and that there is no need to mention party, since it is painfully obvious (and this reply continues in that vein).

One party is the party of the “party line”, from top to bottom, and promotes agenda-voting, talking points, what-can-my-party-do-for-me, voting based on emotion...

The other party is for the most part, the opposite to that.


22 posted on 05/24/2012 5:30:50 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: bestintxas

YES,you should know the difference between s*** and shineola!


23 posted on 05/24/2012 5:31:58 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: bestintxas
Why hold the voters to account?

We don't hold our highest office to any!

24 posted on 05/24/2012 5:34:07 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: SteelToe

“I believe owning real property (land, house, trailer, condo, etc.) should be a requirement for voting.”
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I think most FReepers assume that you are being quite sarcastic, but the post is not even funny.


25 posted on 05/24/2012 5:41:04 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

Besides the trailer, all the rest are real property, and I don’t think he’s being sarcastic at all. I agree - unless you own property and pay taxes, or serve in defense of the country, you should not vote.


26 posted on 05/24/2012 5:43:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bestintxas

Simplest requirement: be a net payer into the system. If you get more over the course of a year than you put in then you get to participate from the couch.


27 posted on 05/24/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: SteelToe
"I believe owning real property (land, house, trailer, condo, etc.) should be a requirement for voting. When you own real property you have a stake in your community..."

So soldiers and their families who live in on-post housing and honorably discharged veterans who rent an apartment don't have enough of a stake in their communities to vote?

28 posted on 05/24/2012 5:47:27 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MrB

“unless you own property and pay taxes”
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You better reevaluate your post.
EVERYONE pays tax in America.
You want a country only for the elite.
That is nice in thought for a totalitarian country, but not America.
I was 28 before I bought my first property, but I worked like Hell to promote and campaign for Republicans from the age of 16.

If you are serious, elitist such as you are no better then the Communist.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 5:55:29 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: bestintxas

It should be... You can vote if you paid Federal income tax over the time since the last election. To vote you present a picture ID and your returns. If people are smart enough to have these, then they are smart enough to vote.


30 posted on 05/24/2012 5:55:54 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Still a contributing Republican? Why?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Amen! That’s always been my problem with the argument that one must be a land owner. Even after my active duty hubby and I bought a house. The only reason that we did was because of our timing of our move to DC (the housing market was crashing but the BAH rates were not yet reflecting this). Otherwise...we’d either be in an apartment or on-post right now (probably an apartment, as I’m not even sure where soldiers stationed at the Pentagon are eligible for housing...Belvoir? Myer? IDK).

I would have been willing to give up my right to vote as just a military spouse if it were only for landowners and military. I’m not alone in that thought.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 6:02:07 AM PDT by Cailleach
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To: AlexW
In 1964, I had a summer job programing {mechanical) voting machines for the presidential election...

I assume by "programming" you mean making sure all worked correctly and were reset to zero? Hopefully not predetermining the outcome!

32 posted on 05/24/2012 6:03:01 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: AlexW
If you are serious, elitist such as you are no better then the Communist.

Wow, I didn't know the country was founded by communists! Thanks for the history lesson.

The founders only allowed male property owners to vote. Were they elitist communists? I guess that's somewhat of what they try to teach in liberal "public education" these days.

33 posted on 05/24/2012 6:05:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bestintxas

We have a representative democracy. Remember the woman who thought that she wouldn’t have to make any more car payments after Obama was elected? Do you think that she’s smarter now? What has her experience been over the past four years?


34 posted on 05/24/2012 6:06:38 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Joe 6-pack

A soldier living in on-post housing can vote “absentee” in his/her home-of-record.


35 posted on 05/24/2012 6:08:11 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JimRed

“I assume by “programming” you mean making sure all worked correctly and were reset to zero? Hopefully not predetermining the outcome! “
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Duhhh, well of course.
There were no computerized machines then, and programing
consisted of inserting hundreds of spacers and other pieces of hardware to make turning a lever record for the indicated candidate.
Naturally,, all machines were then thoroughly tested by the election commission before being sent to the polls.


36 posted on 05/24/2012 6:10:58 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: bestintxas

I personally believe there should be a filter - Photo ID, literacy, understanding of the Constitution, payment of taxes. No “grandfathering.”

Of course, that makes me a horrible racist or whatever.


37 posted on 05/24/2012 6:11:20 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Our forefathers had the right concept at the time....you needed to have an interest (property) in the country.

Agree...100%. We could use their wisdom today not only on this matter but everything.

38 posted on 05/24/2012 6:11:25 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: bestintxas

The Founders were on the right track when they limited the vote to landowners (those who had a dog in the fight because it was their work/effort/money that would be used to support government’s fiscal requirements). I’m a firm believer that, unless you are a productive member of society (employed and actually paying taxes) you should not be able to vote. Those who rely on others to fund their existence shouldn’t ever see the inside of a voting place. Many blame Women’s Suffrage as the blame for today’s ills and they have some standing. The real problem is that, like the “pro-choice-it’s-your-body” “feminisist” of today, they were co-opted and swayed by the same movement that gave them the vote - it had to be enticing to all of a sudden have a meaningful say in how society would go. Most didn’t realize that they already had a very meaningful say just by being women and for their crucial place/influence in the family. I believe the Women’s Suffrage movement opened the door for the deterioration of the family and the Leftists capitalized on it.


39 posted on 05/24/2012 6:13:07 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: DuncanWaring
"A soldier living in on-post housing can vote “absentee” in his/her home-of-record."

Duh. My point is...what if they don't own the property? A lot of junior soldiers use their parents' address as their home of record.

40 posted on 05/24/2012 6:15:10 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: MrB

“The founders only allowed male property owners to vote. Were they elitist communists?”
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I can put up with only so much garbage from some elitist for one night. You really lower the standards for Free Republic.
Take the free from everyone but rich land owners?
Maybe all members of FR should be land owners in order to post here.
I owned hundreds of acres when I was in the US, but sold my property. Should I now be banned from voting or posting?
I am off to bed.


41 posted on 05/24/2012 6:23:07 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: ebshumidors
Heinlein’s ‘Starship Troopers’ had an interesting take on it.

I would argue that Heinlein had an excellent take on the matter.

42 posted on 05/24/2012 6:24:06 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: bestintxas

I was a Safety Manager in Mental Health/ Mental Retardation Centers (more than one in 26 years). I have seen Union members bring paperwork into long time residents who have never talked, read or walked or done anything but lay in bed and be turned. Rep says” How are you today?” Resident “Ooooh ooh, yuggle, yugle” Rep: “ Do you want to vote vote for Bill Clinton?” OOOOOh ooooh yuggle yuggle yugle” Rep: “OK. That’s a good choice.” My compatriots in MANY old folks homes have verified the same scenario with comatose ( or close to it) residents there. I brought it up to my state representative and he said we can’t discriminate against this person and that person. Sheesh!


43 posted on 05/24/2012 6:24:06 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: AlexW

I accept your concession.


44 posted on 05/24/2012 6:28:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Sacajaweau

If women’s suffrage hadn’t been enacted, I don’t think FDR would never have gotten his Great Society legislation passed. Our deficit would be almost non-existent and our government would be much smaller.

You would never hear politicians pontificate about touchy feely issues or use the phrase ‘for the children’.


45 posted on 05/24/2012 6:28:42 AM PDT by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: bestintxas

Yes we should, and at one time we did. Democracy’s fatal weakness of “bread and circuses” has been known for over 2,000 years. “If you give the masses the power of the vote they will vote themselves bread and circuses until the nation’s coffers are empty”. Restricting the vote to land owning males was the founders attempt to limiting the vote to those who would use it responsibly. I don’t know owning land should be the criteria today but there needs to be something. My father, a successful businessman and multi-millionaire, long held you should not vote if you received any money from the government. Another one I like is you don’t vote unless you pay net taxes after any government money. I think the question is moot at this point. The masses now outnumber the productive and it’s not likely the masses will give up the right to vote after having it and using it to vote themselves (through the DemoCraps they elect to Congress) largesse.


46 posted on 05/24/2012 6:30:52 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: ebshumidors
Heinlein’s ‘Starship Troopers’ had an interesting take on it.

Interesting ... yes.

Wrong, though, IMO ... and you'll recall that the only practical support he gave for his (fictional) take on it was that "it works". Well, DUH! Of course "it works". It's a work of fiction and the Author, in His Omnipotent Majesty declared it to work.

Here in reality ... I think he was on the right track, in the sense that those whose only stake in the community is what they can get from others with little or no effort on their part are unlikely to make wise decisions in selecting leadership. Note that the founders of this Great Republic limited the franchise to male landowners.

47 posted on 05/24/2012 6:31:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

Society was “greater” when women and children were taken care of by husbands and fathers, and failing that, by the local church.


48 posted on 05/24/2012 6:31:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bestintxas

No representation with taxation! ..taxpayers only.


49 posted on 05/24/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: MrB
Criteria: SKIN IN THE GAME

You must be a property owner and pay taxes, or serve in the military.

Robert Heinlein proposed that no one who had not served in the military could be a citizen, and thus vote.

This would be a hell of a lot different country if that were the case. I suspect we'd have a lot less likely to try to be the world's policeman if that were the case.

50 posted on 05/24/2012 6:49:24 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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