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Groups Concerned Over Arming Of Domestic Drones
CBS ^ | May 23, 2012

Posted on 05/24/2012 6:43:53 AM PDT by stevie_d_64

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – With the use of domestic drones increasing, concern has not just come up over privacy issues, but also over the potential use of lethal force by the unmanned aircraft.

Drones have been used overseas to target and kill high-level terror leaders and are also being used along the U.S.-Mexico border in the battle against illegal immigration. But now, these drones are starting to be used domestically at an increasing rate.

The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.

Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.

“Those are things that law enforcement utilizes day in and day out and in certain situations it might be advantageous to have this type of system on the UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle),” McDaniel told The Daily.

(Excerpt) Read more at washington.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Texas
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1 posted on 05/24/2012 6:44:02 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t give a rats if they think this is the next step in “effective” law enforement!!!

It creats a lazyness I believe will create more problems than it will solve...

Those optical systems also work in conjunction with the targetsing of the “weapons these devices might be carrying in the future...

So where it looks so does the aiming of the weapons systems...

One “glitch”, or human factor error, and you’ll have rubber bullets (hehehe) and tear gass raining down on you...Or some other more lethal projectiles...

I consider that to be a reasonable threat to me, and those arouns me...The laws in the state of Texas allow me to reasonably determine that if a threat is percieved, Ihave the right to address that threat up to and the use of deadly force on that threat...Regardless if is a remotely piloted vehicle or not...

Tear gas and rubber bullets...Yeah, right...It will not stop there...


2 posted on 05/24/2012 6:50:49 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64; Travis McGee

You can bet that the Liberty raping jackboots will use these in any attempt to institute martial law.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 7:07:51 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: stevie_d_64

Good morning, America. This is your big brother speaking.


4 posted on 05/24/2012 7:13:20 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: stevie_d_64
I don’t give a rats if they think this is the next step in “effective” law enforement!!!

I don't recall "effective law enforcement" being one of the government's duties as listed in the constitution. I do notice that there are a number of constraints on government powers (mostly ignored today) on what government can do. Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of Amerika komrad.

5 posted on 05/24/2012 7:42:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: stevie_d_64
Montgomery county?

That would be Conrow, right?

How about that. Montgomery County Sheriff's Office Acquires ShadowHawk Unmanned Helicopter

By Mark Whittington | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Sat, Oct 29, 2011

What does the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department intend to use its ShadowHawk for?

The ShadowHawk will be used to aid in the pursuit of fleeing criminals and to help SWAT teams spot an active shooter. The drone can also be used in drug shipment investigations. Firefighters could use the remote controlled helicopter to monitor wildfires, such as afflicted much of Texas during the summer. The search for missing people could be aided as well. There are, however, no current plans to deploy any kind of a weapon on the ShadowHawk.

What are some of the concerns?

There are some privacy concerns, considering that the drone can look into people's back yards and, with the infrared equipment, into peoples' houses.


http://news.yahoo.com/montgomery-county-sheriffs-office-acquires-shadowhawk-unmanned-helicopter-210700992.html

Well, lets see.

Purchased in the last week of October 2011.

"No "current" plans.

Rubber bullets and tear gas in May, 2012

At their current rate of escalation they will "go hot" around The first week of December, 2012.

Crime fighting: The seven-foot remote controlled Shadowhawk can shoot stun batons, and even grenades, at criminals and pirates. Buyers have the options of turbine or piston engines, thermal cameras, laser pointers and range finders. They can also choose to install taser batons, 37mm or 40mm grenade launchers or 12 gauge shotgun rounds.

Good to see that American Citizen tax money is being used to put those same American Citizens on the same level as East Africa pirates.

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6 posted on 05/24/2012 7:43:54 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

I foresee a new sport emerging in the South. Sporting Drones. “Hold muh beer”


7 posted on 05/24/2012 7:49:27 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks stevie_d_64. Zero wouldn’t use these to fire on Americans. Oh, and FYI, he also cut spending.


8 posted on 05/24/2012 8:03:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: stevie_d_64

The “next step in effective law enforcement” borders on the next step to the Total Police State. This proves once more that government is too powerful and the only way we can throttle government is to starve it for money to spend. This will have the added benefit of giving us back the days of wages it is extorting from us to pay for the State it busily attempting to impose.


9 posted on 05/24/2012 8:23:21 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: stevie_d_64

“It will not stop there...”

Why not have armed Robo-wheeled vehicles? Remotely driven from the local police station, on and off road, the LEO operator could fire machine guns and missiles ground-to-ground, and target buildings, other vehicles, pedestrians, -even aircraft!


10 posted on 05/24/2012 8:39:08 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat

And the census bureau just took the grid coordinates of everyone’s front door...


11 posted on 05/24/2012 10:08:01 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Son House

>And the census bureau just took the grid coordinates of everyone’s front door...

That’s why any sensible man uses the window nowadays.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 10:12:39 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: TLI

Wonder what the TTL is on these things...

Yeah...A plan is emerging...Hehehe, If I can only get the system to work through my nephews Xbox360...

;-)


13 posted on 05/24/2012 10:22:49 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Math problem:
If you first spot a Drone directly overhead and it is flying at an elevation of 300ft, going East at a speed of 60 mph, and the Wind is blowing from the Northeast at 5 mph ....

1) How much do have have to lead the drone with your rifle for a .308 caliber FMJ bullet in order to knock he gd thing out of the friggen sky and into a gazillion pieces?
and.....
2) Do you have to allow for windage deviation? Or can you ignore it due to the average heavy grain of a .308 FMJ bullet, and just allow for the lead?

And assume you already have your rifle and it's locked and loaded as you've been hoping to see one of these JBT gubmint spy toys for a while now.

Oh, for Extra Credit: What's the Name of the JBT sitting back in the control room playing with his joystick?

:-)

14 posted on 05/24/2012 11:35:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: stevie_d_64

Remember when we laughed at the paranoid “black helicopter” types? I hereby offer my apology.

Where did I put that shortwave radio?


15 posted on 05/24/2012 11:49:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I think it was next to your tin foil cap collection??? ;-)

BTW, how many prongs does your latest cap have???

Mine has three...It doubles as a salsa bowl...hehe


16 posted on 05/24/2012 12:23:51 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Condor51

I cuold use a .308, but I don’t need to lead anything at 300 ft (100 yds.) if I break out “Ole’ Painless” (.50 cal)


17 posted on 05/24/2012 12:26:03 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Our present Congress has become quite sinister. The Oath of service to the Constitution is a joke at this point. Sad to see.


18 posted on 05/24/2012 1:12:50 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Well. This didn’t take long.


19 posted on 05/24/2012 10:36:42 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: stevie_d_64

The LEO’s have gotten real good at “no knock” raids at the
wrong house. Now they can do by remote control?

Mike


20 posted on 05/25/2012 9:14:20 AM PDT by doublecansiter (without cartridge, load in nine times, LOAD!)
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To: stevie_d_64
*** I cuold use a .308, but I don’t need to lead anything at 300 ft (100 yds.) if I break out “Ole’ Painless” (.50 cal) ***

Alrighty, you go right to the head of the class!
You just got Triple Extra Credit for having a .50 Cal ;-)

21 posted on 05/26/2012 7:07:22 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Condor51

I am prepared for most contingiencies...


22 posted on 05/27/2012 11:14:26 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Up to this point I thought a “Domestic Drone” was just another name for an Obama Voter. Mark Levin talks about them all the time.


23 posted on 05/27/2012 11:20:05 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Confucius say, short note better than long memory....)
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To: stevie_d_64
Tear gas and rubber bullets...

While tear gas can be delivered from almost any range, rubber bullets are a 200 yard max ballistic item. So, BS!

These things can be armed with almost anything, especially the larger, military grade models, and once the door is opened to 'delivering payloads', it is almost guaranteed the 'effectiveness' of the payloads will escalate.

Why bother with mere rubber bullets when you can have 'steel rain'? Then go in and mop up.

Why punch tear gas rounds out of the Bradleys (like Waco) when you can just drop incendiaries and get the job done? (--and blame the residents--after all, the Ministry of information dissemination told you they were a cult, citizen!)

24 posted on 06/05/2012 10:43:25 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: theBuckwheat
The “next step in effective law enforcement” borders on the next step to the Total Police State.

I have maintained for years that by the time the Federal Government seals the borders, it will be to keep us in, not 'them' out.

25 posted on 06/05/2012 10:45:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Condor51

About 100 ft., and hold just a little to the north, mebbe 6 inches or so...


26 posted on 06/05/2012 10:51:21 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Condor51
Nah, that'd have missed by a mile...

Ten feet should do it, .12 seconds of travel for the round at 2500 ft./second to go 300 ft., .12 seconds of travel for the target at 88 ft./sec, puts the target 10.56 ft. further downrange, not allowing that the shot is along the hypotenuse of the triangle.

27 posted on 06/05/2012 10:57:29 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
*** Ten feet should do it, .12 seconds of travel for the round at 2500 ft./second to go 300 ft., .12 seconds of travel for the target at 88 ft./sec, puts the target 10.56 ft. further downrange, not allowing that the shot is along the hypotenuse of the triangle. ***

You also get a 1st place Trophy for your excellent math skills.
The other Winner has a .50 Cal so I couldn't ignore that ;-)

BUT, no more winners. Contest over.
This isn't a gubmint run school contest where everyone gets a trophy just for 'being' :-)

28 posted on 06/06/2012 6:24:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Just remember, lead flies both ways...


29 posted on 06/06/2012 10:04:28 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Yep. What goes up must come down, too... but the R/C crowd has me thinking of other ideas which do not involve lead...


30 posted on 06/06/2012 3:19:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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