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Hawaii's Non-Certification
5-23-12 | butterdezillion

Posted on 05/24/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion

What the Hawaii AG forced Bennett to do to his request for verification:

1. Withdraw the whole form he submitted. Because the form had no special directions, HRS 338-14.3 would require the HDOH to verify the accurate, legally-probative facts, and HI can't do that for Obama because his birth record is late and amended - and thus not legally probative as per HRS 338-17.

2. Keep the request for verification that asked the HDOH to verify what is on Obama's birth record. The HDOH can do that without claiming that any of those CLAIMS on the BC are actuallly accurate or legally valid.

3. Change the request from asking for verification that what Obama posted online is a "true and accurate representation of the record on file" - to asking if the INFORMATION on what Obama posted matches what is on file. This is necessary because what Obama posted is an ABSTRACT or composite of what is typed (the incomplete BC) and what is "actually written down" (the affidavits to support the late and amended filing). And it lacks the notations that it was late and amended.

This is why they had to C&P the document. The stamps on the real thing (the non-forged version, if they have one, at the HDOh) would have filled the empty space toward the top of the BC, and the notation of what evidence was submitted to support the late filing and amendment were right in the area where the seal was supposed to go.

I'd post the article which shows the documentation, but I don't know how to post a PDF. And I'd try to get this as a blogger post that serves as a new article in the special category in News/Acivism as per the new policy, but I don't know how to do that either. I'll ask for help from the mods.

In the first comment I'll give a clickable link to the article showing the documentation.


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1 posted on 05/24/2012 8:20:33 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hi-non-verification-1.pdf


2 posted on 05/24/2012 8:23:40 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

3 posted on 05/24/2012 8:26:37 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; Fantasywriter; ...

Ping. Probably the most important thing the HI AG got Bennett to change about his request was to withdraw the request form he submitted (the one asking for the place of birth, date of birth, mother, father, etc). See why that had to be withdrawn even though the “additional requests for verification” were accepted verbatim (for the list of items to be verified as on the birth record) and in a “re-worded” version (requesting verification as to the status of Obama’s posted long-form).


4 posted on 05/24/2012 8:33:11 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

The way I look at the situation, Hawaii adamantly refused to provide the original copy, microfilmed or not, but did verify correctness of the information that was on the Obama-released BC. I am not a lawyer, but it seems like that leaves HDOH individuals subject to charges related to fraud and perjury, assuming that you believe that Obama’s true nativity narrative excludes the possibility of Hawaiian birth.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 8:36:03 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: LucyT; Brown Deer; null and void

ping


6 posted on 05/24/2012 8:37:47 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

They refused to verify the correctness. They would only verify that those claims were on the record they have.

That’s why the form Ken submitted had to be withdrawn; it would have required them to verify the correctness.

And that’s why the special verification list was allowed to stand and be responded to: it only required them to verify that the claims were on the actual record they have - NOT the correctness of those claims. Onaka’s certifying statement makes clear that they are only verifying that those are the CLAIMS on the record.

However, Hawaii does still have to explain why Virginia Sunahara’s BC# is on Barack Obama’s record... I explained at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2885916/posts?page=241#241

(post 241) how they presumably edited the records for both Sunahara and Obama to pull that off at least once before.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 8:43:33 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
The fact enough American's do not DEMAND Obama show absolute proof of his eligibility and other records is just tragic apathy!

We still have no conclusive evidence of who Obama really is, but one thing we know for sure, he is Anti-American!

8 posted on 05/24/2012 8:48:08 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: BO Stinkss

Is there a sign like that in Hawaii?

BO claims hawaii, but Kenya claims obama.

Even Arkansas claims Bill Clinton.


9 posted on 05/24/2012 8:49:55 AM PDT by Texas resident (November 6 - Vote Against obama)
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To: Fractal Trader

Thanks for pinging. =)

The thing about these alterations is that the HI AG would have no legal basis to require those changes - ESPECIALLY the requirement that Bennett withdraw the request form, because that is what he is legally supposed to be able to ask for: verification that those particular facts are true according to legal evidentiary standards.

There would be no legal excuse for the HI AG’s office to demand that to be withdrawn. The HI AG clearly used a threat: if you don’t withdraw that request we’re going to say you aren’t eligible to get a response from us, and then you’re going to be grilled over a media fire.

He played chicken with Bennett. And Bennett blinked. BUT at the same time, the HI AG made it clear to Bennett - and to anybody who understands what really happened - that they CANNOT verify the truth of those facts, because Obama’s record is late and amended and thus not legally valid. The special requests of verification provided an “out” for the HDOH to APPEAR to be verifying the information without actuallly legally doing so.

IOW, it took 8 weeks to come up with a win-win for both Bennett (who wanted to satisfy those pressuring him without actually having to leave Obama off the ballot) and the HDOH (who wanted to appear to verify the claims in the court of public opinion, without having anything LEGAL that Arpaio could eventually charge them with).


10 posted on 05/24/2012 8:50:19 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Thank you.

Add Bennett to the list - He now must now that the request changed from “verify that these elements are true and correct” to “verify that these elements match with some of the records on file” (but those records may not be true and correct).

Bennett knows how hard HI pushed to make this change, and he knows that if he had persisted *more* smear articles would have been coming from the likes of WaPo. (They wrote published an article the day before he accepted the revised language mocking him for even asking HI for email verification.)


11 posted on 05/24/2012 9:01:23 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: butterdezillion

But, as a non-lawyer, I think they are still open for charges of fraud, conspiracy, and possibly perjury despite all the legalistic shenanigans that they pulled. So Bennet can say he is happy and avoid further criticism that he is a “birther,” but Sheriff Joe, who has representatives on the ground in Hawaii as we speak, can make the HHDOH officials quite uncomfortable.

He has indicated that he will be taking a significant new step soon (end of May? end of June?). I would hope that this would involve criminal charges, though I see how it might involve a Grand Jury, also.

BTW, I have looked at all your material regarding why the certificate is amended, and still find the argument hard to follow. It seems that the gist of it is that if there are cash receipts involved, the certificate MUST be amended. When I read the HDOH statements, I wonder if they explicitly knew that they were confirming that there were receipts or whether they made a statement without consciously believing that they had indicated that the receipts existed.

Do you have any other independent confirmation that the BC is amended?


12 posted on 05/24/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

13 posted on 05/24/2012 9:09:21 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fractal Trader

Miss Ticly specifically asked them to clarify which records they were denying access to and they said all of them.

She also asked Linden Joesting at the OIP to correct her if her interpretations were incorrect. Joesting initially responded by saying she was working on it, but then suddenly said she was too busy to address it. If they had been able to say that her interpretation was wrong they’d have done it in a heartbeat.

And a similar denial of access to supporting affidavits was given by both the HDOH AND CONFIRMED AS THE CORRECT RESPONSE by OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama, who actually literally wrote the book on how UIPA requests must be responded to.

I realize that the ins and outs of the bureaucratic stuff gets hazy. But that’s why stuff like the tampering with Virginia’s database record - and now this blatant evasion of having to verify the genuine lelgally-probative facts are so critical and interesting.

Just wrap your head around the fact that they wouldn’t verify that Obama’s posted long-form was a true and accurate REPRESENTATION of the record they have on file. They’d say that the info was the same on both but not that it was an accurate and true representation. That means there was additional information on what they have, that was not on what Obama posted. And that would have to be stamps and notations, because everything else that is required to be on that form was on what Obama posted.

This latest “verification” is a hugh and series expose’ of what’s REALLY going on, and it strongly supports Obama’s BC being amended and late.


14 posted on 05/24/2012 9:21:31 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Triple

Yes, at this point Bennett would have to know what was going on, if he has any sense at all.

And for him to be pressuring Arpaio to end the criminal investigation suggests that either he sides with what he knows is the “bad guys”, or he’s afraid to stand up to the “bad guys”, or he’s been threatened by the “bad guys” to try to get the good guys off their tails.


15 posted on 05/24/2012 9:26:13 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
IMO, Bennett from his first wimpy request for verification, not certification, was a GOP-e/Romney operative looking for a fig leaf to put over his refusal to remove Barry from the AZ ballot, despite Arpaio’s “probable cause.”

HI DOH tried to ignore Bennett's softball to run out the clock, which they HAD TO, because, as you show, even Bennett's easy pitch would have required an affirmation that the forged pdf image was authentic. But cries of “foul” in AZ and “impending further damaging revelations” by Arpaio prompted Bennett to ask HDOH “what will it take” to get a minimal “verification”?

Only Arpaio and Corsi can save the nation before the election.

Arpaio says even tracked down the original 1961 HI BC registrar (U. K. L. Lee?...must be over 80 years old, I would guess) but the registrar refused to cooperate (senile or threatened?). If Arpaio’s team found him/her, who else have they tried to depose? I hope Corsi’s mole in HDOH, the mole Corsi claims to have tipped him off to the impending forgery prior to April 27, 2011, makes a deposition.

16 posted on 05/24/2012 9:40:01 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Do you have a link for what Arpaio has said?

If the local registrar listed on the BC is refusing to cooperate in a criminal investigation, that speaks volumes. I know that someone spoke to her within the last half-year or so and she was very “cooperative” (and not senile)...


17 posted on 05/24/2012 9:46:19 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Here Butter about 45 secs into the news clip broadcast.

Video - Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse in Hawaii ("If I Have to Send Ten Deputies...To HI, I'll Do It")

18 posted on 05/24/2012 10:05:28 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Sheriffs, especially county sheriffs in the United States have extraordinary powers and latitude which dates back to provisions under English Common Law. IOW Don’t mess with Smokey! Go JOE!


19 posted on 05/24/2012 10:35:50 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Red Steel

Thanks! I love it!


20 posted on 05/24/2012 10:46:22 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Fractal Trader

I agree with you that they would still be open to charges of both fraud and misprision of fraud and forgery. They know Obama posted a forgery and passed it off as genuine, which is fraud. And if they have not reported it to law enforcement it is misprision of forgery and fraud, and by refusing to respond to a LEGITIMATE request form for verification of FACTS, they have acted specifically to defraud the American public.


21 posted on 05/24/2012 10:49:53 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
And for him to be pressuring Arpaio to end the criminal investigation suggests that either he sides with what he knows is the “bad guys”, or he’s afraid to stand up to the “bad guys”, or he’s been threatened by the “bad guys” to try to get the good guys off their tails.

If the Joe Arpaio Posse is able to expose the bad guys for all to see, Bennett will be revealed as an idiot. So he now has a vested interest in Sheriff Joe not finding anything.

22 posted on 05/24/2012 10:55:12 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: butterdezillion
The officials in Hawaii should be deeply ashamed that they are creating a LIE that will be recorded in history. They are manipulating and changing facts. They are rewriting history.

It is a abominable practice.

23 posted on 05/24/2012 11:03:05 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: butterdezillion

What Hawaii has done is provide one more proof that what Obama and his administration release was fraudulent.


24 posted on 05/24/2012 11:05:42 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: butterdezillion
The AZ TV reporter says on the video at the link that Arpaio tried to contact the original registrar and then Arpaio is shown lamenting the refusal of the registrar to help his criminal investigation.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/05/sheriff-joe-arpaio-on-obama.html

25 posted on 05/24/2012 11:07:22 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: FreeAtlanta

More than ashamed. They are now party to criminal conspiracy. JAIL TIME.


26 posted on 05/24/2012 11:14:49 AM PDT by Broker (Matthew 5:11)
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To: Menehune56

That’s the most innocent explanation for why he wants Sheriff Joe to stop the investigation. There could be more than that, too.

And it would be really good to find out exactly why Alvin Onaka is going along with this crap. Then again, maybe he is the one who told the HI AG this was all he was willing to verify and certify... Maybe he’s the one who is refusing to verify something that he legally can’t...


27 posted on 05/24/2012 11:19:36 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: FreeAtlanta

Exactly.

And that they can’t verify the actual legally-probative facts of Obama’s birth, because there aren’t any. What they’ve got is late and amended, and HRS 338-17 says the probative value shall be determined when presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. HI CAN’T say what the true birth facts for Obama are. They can only say what the late, amended (and therefore legally non-valid) record CLAIMS the facts are - which is what the HI AG required Bennett’s request to ask for.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 11:23:19 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Broker

From your keyboard to God’s ears. I’m praying that the posse will soon be at a point where they can make arrests.

Of course, they’ll have to extradite the HI people in order to arrest them. Any bets as to whether Abercrombie will allow them to be extradited to AZ to face criminal charges?


29 posted on 05/24/2012 11:25:21 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

And, still we have no official copy of his original birth certificate...

This gets smellier and smellier...

Cheers


30 posted on 05/24/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: FreeAtlanta

“What Hawaii has done is provide one more proof that what Obama and his administration release was fraudulent.”

####

An engine without a transmission.

The ball-less wonders on the Right continue to look the other way, if not outright enabling the RaceMarxist.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: butterdezillion

The Hawaiian criminal enterprise is still giving cover to the little barry bastard commie fraud. Did we expect something honest out of them? They’re dodging as afst as they can shuck and jive, but of course the media fifth column will present this as ‘obvious verification that little barry bastard commie is 100% truthful with the American sheeple, er, American People. The only way to end this criminal charade is to have a trial of this fraudulent high treason bastard and force HI to be honest with what they have ‘on file’. Of course that would open a can of worms dating back to even before Hawaii became a state, revealing their gifting anyone requesting a HI birth record (like Sun yat Sen) to be a HI ‘native’ regadless of where they were actually born or even when!


32 posted on 05/24/2012 11:37:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: butterdezillion

Harmonious Keyboards!!! Justice is the Lords responsibility. Meanwhile here on earth after years of Clinton and now Obama we pray for LEADERSHIP. Men and Women who will commit to challenge these scoundrels. We are a God-blessed Republic, founded on laws. Time to enforce them.


33 posted on 05/24/2012 11:38:09 AM PDT by Broker (Matthew 5:11)
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To: BO Stinkss
Actual, unaltered sign:



Just keeping it real.

Cheers
34 posted on 05/24/2012 11:38:13 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: DoctorBulldog

What’s sickening to me is realizing that they are playing the same ballgame as always: release the lie and let it travel the world twice before the truth can get its shoes tied.

I busted my butt to get this analysis done as quickly as I could. The gymnastics I had to do to get around whatever was being put onto my computer (and eventually two of my kids’ computers as well) so that my computer would freeze whenever I went onto my blog, and the transferring of the file to external hard drive and thumb drive to get it from one computer to another, getting to a computer that would read the font even though the fonts have all been used before, Wordpress claiming the file was too large, etc.... Sigh. What should have taken little time took forever.

But I busted my rear to get it done ASAP because the lie already had a big head start on me and megaphones way bigger than I’ll ever have.

Now we know what happened. And the news of what happened will die away as soon as this thread gets beyond the first page at Free Republic.

Sigh.

As soon as I posted this thread under News/ACtivism I reported it to a moderator, saying that I wanted it to go in the special category that’s just been established to allow Freepers to post their OWN news/analysis. I said it was posted on my blog only because I could post a PDF there but that I would happily take it off my blog and post it exclusively here at FR if somebody could help me get the HTML formatting right outside of a PDF so it’s readable. I asked the moderator to let me know what I should do.

Nothing. Absolutely no response. But I see that it’s not in the sidebar so it’s going to go to the graveyard.

I guess this must not matter, huh? It’s not important enough, that Hawaii has just shown us that they know full well that Obama’s records at the HDOH are not legally valid.

Sigh.


35 posted on 05/24/2012 11:41:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Seizethecarp
"If Arpaio’s team found him/her, who else have they tried to depose? I hope Corsi’s mole in HDOH, the mole Corsi claims to have tipped him off to the impending forgery prior to April 27, 2011, makes a deposition."

Yep, Seize. I love it that Big Joe made the trip to Hawaii for many reasons...the least of which being that with him going to the perps, none of them know what the others of them are saying to Joe. The perps don't need to worry about being found out...or need to explain an "absense" of themselves to each other as they would have to were they to fly OUT to meet with AZ LE.

They all get to stay put and wonder who has squeeled on whom.

Last one "in" is a rotten egg...in a pretty orange jumpsuit with pretty pink panties...wheels-up on a pretty LONG "away" trip to a pretty secure and secluded "retreat."

36 posted on 05/24/2012 11:41:53 AM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: DoctorBulldog

How do you know that ones not the fake?


37 posted on 05/24/2012 11:42:42 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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FWIW...Bennett is Romney's Arizona co-chair. Wouldn't surprise me if he got a call from the campaign that insisted he back out of the mess he created or resign.
38 posted on 05/24/2012 11:50:50 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: MHGinTN; Greenperson; DoctorBulldog

I think I’m going to go relax in the bathtub, having done what I can for the moment. The lie has already traveled around the world twice, I got my shoes tied and put the truth out there with what tools I have available, and that’ll be the end of it unless I and others push to get this exposed.

The giants we face are such bigger loudmouths than we can ever be. They’ve got all the tools at their disposal. So many of us work so hard to find the truth and then once we’ve found it, we can’t get it out to the people who need to hear it and do something about it. It can be very discouraging.

Yesterday there were 2 seemingly-unrelated things that keep me going though. A FRiend sent a Freepmail thanking me for persisting. And our family devotions last night were about the disciples who had been out all night and caught nothing, and here Jesus comes along with those totally moronic command to put out the nets at a time when any real fisherman knows there wouldn’t be any fish. The disciples obeyed, not because they believed they would be successful or thought it was a smart thing to do but just because Jesus told them to.

And He brought the success.

We will all keep putting the net out there, even when it seems an utter waste of time. And the results will be up to God.

I’m praying He will find enough faithful people yet remaining in this land, to spare us as He would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah. I guess we’ll see.


39 posted on 05/24/2012 12:00:43 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

For all sorts of documents, including .pdfs, try scribd (ww.scribd.com)


40 posted on 05/24/2012 12:01:02 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: butterdezillion

Butter, I thank God for you.


41 posted on 05/24/2012 12:10:34 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: butterdezillion
Is this of any help? This is a copy of the pdf you posted without the image on the last page.

Hawaii’s Non-Verification

In response to large volume of communications requesting that, in light of Sheriff Arpaio’s findings of probable cause for forgery and fraud involving Barack Obama’s posted long-form birth certificate and draft registration, Obama’s Presidential eligibility be investigated, Ken Bennett, the Arizona Secretary of State, requested a verification of Obama’s birth facts from the

Hawaii Dept of Health. According to the communications posted at

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ken_bennett_birther_hawaii_arizona_ema ils.php?ref=fpnewsfeed , this is the content of Bennett’s original request (bold numbers added to show the 3 kinds of verification originally requested, in the order in which I will address them):

Enclosed please find a request for a verification in lieu of a certified copy for the birth record of Barack

Hussein Obama II. In addition to (1) the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify (2) the following items from the record of birth:

Department of Health File #151 61 10641 Time of birth: 7:24 p.m. Name of hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Age of father: 25 Birthplace of Father: Kenya, East Africa Age of mother: 18 Birthplace of mother: Wichita, Kansas Date of signature of parent: 8-7-1961 Date of signature of attendant: 8-8-1961 Date accepted by local registrar: August-8 1961

Additionally, please verify (3) that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

After 8 weeks of delay and insisting that Bennett had not yet proven that he was eligible to receive a verification, the Hawaii Attorney General’s office spoke with Bennett and said that if Bennett “re-worded” his request they would consider responding to it. Shortly thereafter the following “verification” at the end of this

article was issued (found at http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf ). Bennett was quoted as saying that he received what he had asked for. So if we look at the difference between what he originally requested and what he received, we will know what he was required to change.

#1: The actual request form printed from the web was specifically withdrawn.

In addition to the items to be verified in the attached form, please verify the following items from the record of birth

In addition to this communication, Bennett copied a request form off the HDOH, filled it out, and sent it.The form to request a verification in lieu of a certified copy is the same form as to request a certified copy. The items on that form can be seen at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf and include the date of birth, which is essential to Presidential eligibility.

Why was that specifically left out – apparently at the demand of the HI Attorney General’s office?

The key, I believe, is this: The original request for items other than on the form said, “please verify the following items from the record of birth”. This is a request to verify that those items are on the record of birth NOT that those items are accurate.

Without that statement for instance, if the form was just filled out, HRS 338-14.3 (found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0014_0003.htm ) says that:

(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.

In other words, unless stated otherwise, the HDOH in a verification is actually certifying that the applicant’s claims on the birth certificate are true. But that is problematic for the HDOH when the birth record in question is late and/or amended, because HRS 338-17 (found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017.htm ) says:

§338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a "late" or "altered" certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4]

The State of Hawaii does not vouch for the accuracy of the claims on a late or amended birth certificate. That’s why they have to be clearly marked as “LATE” or “ALTERED”. And the computer-generated abstracts (COLB’s) have a statement at the bottom: ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE. Late and

altered birth certificates are legally non-valid. The State of Hawaii CANNOT verify the truth of the facts on a legally non-valid birth certificate. The Hawaii Attorney General’s office would know that, and they would thus require that the request form itself be withdrawn.

But the way Bennett phrased his original non-form request indicates that he wants the HDOH to verify that those items are what is on the birth certificate which is a different thing than verifying what the true, legally-probative facts are. And that is what the HDOH does. In his certifying statement Onaka says:

I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.

He is certifying that the “verification” is based solely on the information contained in the vital record. Which is

all Bennett asked for on the NON-FORM request. He only wanted to verify that these are the claims that were on the birth certificate.

And nowhere does either Bennett or this “verification” specify that the vital record in question be legally valid. If

the form had been used, the facts would have to be verified by a legally-valid record. But the AG got rid of the requests on the form even the birth date, which is critical to Presidential eligibility. The only way the birthdate even comes into the picture is by Onaka saying that the information on Obama’s posted long-form matches what is on what they have without saying whether the record they have is legally valid.

#2: the following items from the record of birth” were allowed to be requested

This was the only part of the original request that the HI Attorney General allowed to remain as it was, and the 12 points were verified verbatim simply verifying that this is what the document claims, as explained above. Which is all the HDOH CAN verify for a legally non-valid record. They can verify that the record exists and that it makes these specific claims. And that’s what items 1-12 verify and the certifying statement confirms that these are simply the claims as contained in the (legally non-valid. SSSSHHHH) record.

#3: The request for verification of Obama’s online BC as a “true and accurate representation of the record” was withdrawn.

Additionally, please verify that the attached copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama is a true and accurate representation of the original record in your files.

But the corresponding response on the “verification” is this:

The Hawaii Attorney General apparently told Ken Bennett not to ask for a verification that the birth certificate that Obama posted online is a true and accurate representation of the original record in the HDOH files. Onaka instead verified that the INFORMATION IN THAT COPY matches the original record in their files. IOW, Onaka is SPECIFICALLY NOT SAYING that what Obama posted accurately represents the actual birth certificate. They are refusing to verify that what Obama posted is a copy of the original. They are specifically making no comment on whether Obama posted what they sent him.

Probably because they know it was a forgery. Sheriff Arpaio’s posse uncovered ample evidence of that. Videos about that can be accessed at http://www.teapartypowerhour.com Another video that make the blatancy of the forgery clear: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=youtu.be

So if the information on the copy HI sent Obama was the same as what was on the forgery, then why make a forgery at all? Why did they have to manipulate the document to get a photo (with a very faint, nondescript seal, which is one of the red flags for a forgery) as can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa SHnBb220 ) ? If the information is the same, then what is different?

Onaka’s certification on that forgery gives the answer (emphasis mine):

I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health.”

There is good reason to believe that Obama’s actual birth record is a compilation from different sources:

1. Previous official responses by the HDOH have indirectly confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate was amended around late-2006 (see

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/amendment-confirmation-for-dummies/

), and official responses by former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama indicated that there are affidavits to support the claims on his birth certificate, which would only be necessary for late and/or amended birth certificates.

2. Former HDOH Director Chiyome Fukino has said that Obama’s birth certificate is “half typed, half written”, which would make sense for an incomplete typed birth certificate

with supplemental affidavits to supply the information that was missing.

  1. Fukino also said in a July 2009 press release that she had seen the vital records (plural) verifying (swearing) that Obama was born in Hawaii.
  2. HI Governor Neil Abercrombie was quoted in a Star Advertiser column as saying there

was something about Obama’s birth “actually written down” (see

http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.ht ml ) but according to Mike Evans as recorded on radio interviews, Abercrombie said he

was not able to find a birth certificate for Obama, not able to find a record of Obama’s birth at any Hawaii hospital in spite of searching with a search warrant and Abercrombie said he never even saw Obama in Hawaii until he was T-ball age. (see

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/evans-abercrombie-hospital-search warrant/ and http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/evans-abercrombie-says no-proof-of-hi-birth/

5. The HDOH has apparently altered the BC#’s for both Stig Waidelich and Virginia Sunahara, according to HDOH spokesperson Janice Okubo’s official responses saying that Oahu BC#’s were almost always given by the HDOH on the “date filed”. The particular combination of a BC# being higher than BC’s filed 3 days later is a very peculiar “fingerprint” that doesn’t fit a normal hospital birth like either Obama’s or Stig

Waidelich, but does fit the extremely rare circumstances for Virginia Sunahara. And the database record for Virginia Sunahara had been changed to a different name at one point because a query for her birth record came up with no records. So the HDOH has been manipulating BC#’s on certified copies of COLB’s and has apparently temporarily changed Virginia Sunahara’s record. None of that would be necessary if Obama had a

valid 1961 BC#. (See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2885916/posts?page=214#214 , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885601/posts?page=72#72 , and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2885916/posts?page=241#241

If Obama’s birth record was a combination of a birth certificate form that was initially filed by a local registrar (on the report of Obama’s grandmother, for instance) but was left incomplete and thus had to be amended in 2006 to add the missing information, it would explain everything we

see. The birth certificate would be required to have “LATE” and “ALTERED” stamped on the

front of it, and a note would have to be made on the bottom line, recording what amendment was made, when, and what supporting documentation is in the supplementary file.

This would explain why Obama couldn’t just post what the HDOH gave him, including the seal.

The seal is positioned right where the affidavits supporting a late filing or amendment would be listed.

SUMMARY: So what we’ve got here is Onaka certifying that the claims on Obama’s long-form match what they’ve got on the record in their office. But the Attorney General

required Bennett to remove every part of his request that would have required Onaka to

verify what’s actually TRUE according to Hawaii’s legal evidentiary standards. That’s because Onaka can’t legally verify the truth of anything claimed on a late, amended birth certificate like Obama’s.

Aside from supporting the theory that Obama’s record is late and amended, this “verification” is worthless, except to show

  1. that the HDOH at that particular moment had 151-61-10641 as Obama’s file # (but that could be on his electronic file, which they can change back and forth whenever they want to, as demonstrated by the Virginia Sunahara situation.) AND
  2. that the HDOH took special care to NOT SAY Obama’s posted long-form is a genuine copy.

42 posted on 05/24/2012 12:25:46 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: butterdezillion

I feel your pain, butterdezillion.

I’ve pretty much given up any hope of getting to the bottom of the actual, physical Birth Certificate issue in my lifetime. The lies and coverups are just too numerous. And, many Conservatives have been brow beat and ridiculed into submission-—even going so far as to join the herd in denouncing anyone who questions any inconsistency with Obama’s birth narrative.

I realized years ago that the Birth Certificate issue would be too hard of a nut for any of us to crack open without the help of Congress and the Senate. After all, I was in the military and I know what an infinite roll of red tape looks like when I see it.

That’s why, early on in the debate, I attacked the problem from the other side: Obama is not a Natural Born citizen because he was born with dual citizenship and has consistently shown his allegiance to his Kenyan side.

Yet, it’s still very frustrating. We need to have a definitive definition/ruling given to us-—with all the legal weight attached-—of exactly what Natural Born, as was understood and intended by Our Founding Fathers, means. Along with that, we also need legislation defining what constitutes abdication of one’s natural born citizenship.

However, until the Libtards and Lefturds in government and the Justices on the SCOTUS kick the bucket, retire, or are voted out (and are somehow miraculously replaced by real Conservatives), I have no desires to leave it up to this current Congress and the SCOTUS to be the ones to fairly interpret Natural Born for us.

It is, as you say, “sickening to me,” too

And, with upper management at Free Republic turning away from the Constitutional importance of the issue to focus on the 2012 Presidential race, I don’t think we are going to get much support at this juncture...

Anyway, I’ll send you a private message later on in the day to address a couple items of concern. Too many Zotted friends and allies in the last kerfuffle on Free Republic have me feeling a little gun shy about actually speaking my mind.

Cheers


43 posted on 05/24/2012 12:40:21 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: Auntie Mame; butterdezillion
Uploaded it for you:



Cheers
44 posted on 05/24/2012 12:50:47 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: butterdezillion
Heard part of an radio interview with Corsi this morning. He is in Hawaii. Basically, said HI sent a carefully worded, lawyer-ed E-mail, Does not verify the White-house web birth PDF as valid. (paraphrase) sounds more like what HI Governor Abercrombie stated about something is there. Could of come from the grand parents

He said they will probably post the E-mail on WND.

45 posted on 05/24/2012 1:03:28 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Auntie Mame; DoctorBulldog

Yes, that helps (to both of you). At least that can be here for those who don’t want to click on an external link.

And if there’s a way to get the whole thing posted in a sidebar we could use the HTML coding you’ve got in there and somehow post the other images as jpg’s, or however you got the image posted here, DoctorBulldog. We’ve got the pieces on this thread now, and we could put them together if that would convince the mods to let the article be posted in a position of more visibility (the sidebar).

The whole idea of trying to “sell” the importance of what I’ve posted goes against my whole nature because I don’t believe in tooting my own horn. Maybe the moderator wouldn’t put it in the new category because it’s not understandable, or maybe they think it’s thinly-supported or unimportant.

I obviously believe the substance of it is very important. The revisions made to Bennett’s request are a smoking-gun refusal to verify the legally-probative facts of Obama’s birth., even though by verifying ANYTHING they have admitted that Bennett is qualified to receive the verification he asked for on the form he submitted. (In fact, this response having shown that the HI AG accepted his eligibility to receive verification, he should submit ANOTHER request - this time using the request form, which they would then have no excuse to fulfill for him.)

That rates right up there with Obama claiming in his bio that he was born in Hawaii, because it is dealing with the official records and indicates there’s something very problematic with them. Something that makes sense out of what both Fukino and Abercrombie have said.


46 posted on 05/24/2012 1:15:34 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: sirchtruth

“The fact enough American’s do not DEMAND Obama show absolute proof of his eligibility and other records is just tragic apathy!”

Obama did show proof of his ineligibility. Obama’s father was a Kenyan/British citizen which proves that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. Where he was actually born is irrelevant, although he is probably lying about that as well.


47 posted on 05/24/2012 1:27:56 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I have been studying this photo, along with its various incarnations, on and off for about a year, now.

I have discovered that every single Kenyan version I can find on the net has all of the camera data stripped out. This suggests to me that it was manipulated in a photoshop type of program.

However, on the flip-side of that coin, the Wilayat Madha version has all of the original camera data still embedded in it.

Here’s the camera data from the image I posted:


- Primary Image
Image Description = OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
Manufacturer = OLYMPUS OPTICAL CO.,LTD
Model = C100,D370
Orientation = The 0th row is at the visual top of the image and the 0th column is at the visual left-hand side
Y Resolution = 72
Resolution Unit = Inches
Software = v971u-76
Last Modification Time = 0000:00:00 00:00:00
YCbCr Positioning = Co-sited
- Exif Specific
Exposure Time = 1/800 sec [0.001]
F Number = 4
Exposure Program = Normal program
ISO Speed Ratings = 100
[...]
Exposure Bias Value = 0
Max. Aperture Value = 40/10
Metering mode = Pattern
Light Source = Unknown
Flash = Flash did not fire
Focal Length = 5.60 mm
[...]


To summarize my findings, the embedded camera data adds weight to the veracity of the Wilayat Madha photo; Whereas, the lack of any embedded camera data at all in the Kenyan version points me in the direction of photo manipulation.

Cheers


48 posted on 05/24/2012 1:28:22 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama Sucks!!!)
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To: opentalk

Let me know if he posts something. My computer has two sites that it doesn’t like: my own blog, and WND. As soon as I click to go to either place, my computer has a jacked-up hum to it and I can watch my CPU usage go up to 100% and then the website shows “(Not responding)”.

So I really appreciate any pings people send me, especially if it’s to WND stuff, since I don’t regularly go there.


49 posted on 05/24/2012 1:28:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Miss Behave

Butter, I thank God for you.

Ditto!


50 posted on 05/24/2012 1:29:03 PM PDT by Josephat (`)
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