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Marchers say gangs aren't issue ['Justice for (gangbanger) Cesar']
Union-Bulletin (WA) ^ | May 22, 2012 | Luke Hegdal

Posted on 05/24/2012 11:15:01 AM PDT by kevcol

WALLA WALLA — Family and friends of the late Ceasar Chavira, who was killed during a burglary at the New York Store May 4, gathered for a second protest march against the actions of store owner John Saul, who shot Chavira.

Signs ranged from calls for justice to more pointed accusations of murder. Several protestors held signs that read, “It’s Not About Gangs — It’s About Excessive Force.”

“It wasn’t really a gang activity that was going on,” said Chavira’s cousin, Eder Alejandre.

Ramon Gomez, a self-described “friend of the community” added that Chavira was wrong to break into the store.

“What Ceasar did was not right,” Gomez said. “They were both wrong.”

(Excerpt) Read more at union-bulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; cesarchavira; gangs; trayvon
Follow-up to this article, where another "friend of the community", Jesse, was a bit more blunt:
Jessie said he understands Cesar made a bad choice to break into the store, but he didn’t deserve to die for the mistake. He said he won’t rest until justice is served.

“We’ll take it civil, but either way he’s gonna get justice. What he did was in the wrong. He knows he’s in the wrong. He has to live with that and sleep with that. And honestly I just can’t wait until he gets justice,” Jessie said.


And then there is what actually happened...

According to his lawyer, a Walla Walla store owner who shot and killed a known gang member trying to break into the store was defending his property.

John Saul, owner of New York Store, told his lawyer that he came out to the front of the store early Friday morning after he heard the sound of glass breaking.

Saul, who lives on the property on Isaacs Avenue, confronted Cesar Chavira, 22, and told him to "hold it".

Michael Hubbard, Saul's lawyer, told KAPP/KVEW Chavira said "I'm gonna kill you", and Saul responded by shooting him with his shotgun.

The Walla Walla County Sheriff's Office said deputies are still investigating the case.

Hubbard said the Walla Walla County Prosecutor told him there are no charges pending and is not expecting to charge Saul with any crimes.

Saul opened the store the same morning of the shooting and has been operating the store since.

The Sheriff's Office said Chavira was a known gang member in the community and had a history of criminal activity in Walla Walla and Milton-Freewater.


And of course - the Justice for Cesar "Guero" Chavira facebook page is up, with its stated mission as:
"This page was started to help us in finding justice in the wrongful killing of Cesar. Please help support in finding justice!"




Sound familiar? It seems as though the Trayvon Martin media-fabricated-and-driven "racial killing" has led the criminal masses and their enablers/parents to believe that murderous crimials are now a protected class of citizen. According to the Sheriff Dept, the investigation will conclude this week and, much to the chagrin of the gang banger community and families, there will likely be no arrest of the store owner. Stay tuned.
1 posted on 05/24/2012 11:15:06 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

Lieutenant Briggs: Suppose they panic and start shooting?
Harry Callahan: Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot!
`Magnum Force’ 1973

It all depends on your perspective:
“Another child victim of senseless gun violence”: dhims
“Another dead punk” the rest of us.


2 posted on 05/24/2012 11:24:43 AM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: tumblindice

I used to live in this little town - a very nice place then. Now there are far too many illegals and useless hyphened Americans.


3 posted on 05/24/2012 11:28:19 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: kevcol

hmm...seems to me justice has already been served.


4 posted on 05/24/2012 11:28:33 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: kevcol
You are right to see the parallels to the Trayvon Martin case, but they both reflect something that is very much less than spontaneous. These demonstrations result from the deliberate spreading of Marxist rationalizations for class-warfare in communities deemed to be susceptible. There are repeated signs, in recent years, that the far Left senses they are entering an "End Game," where they complete the multi-generational effort to overthrow the fundaments of American society & social values.

In other words, these are symptoms of a very dangerous situation that has been carefully developed by our enemies.

The increasing frequency of these incidents is a very, very unfortunate sign. People better start waking up. (Not here, I mean generally. Most people at Free Republic are well aware of how these incidents have been promoted.)

William Flax

5 posted on 05/24/2012 11:34:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SoDak

>>>hmm...seems to me justice has already been served.<<<

Not entirely. When the dead thug’s family reimuburse John Saul for the broken glass and the bullet, justice will be served.

It is truly sad how many people take the criminal’s side, against the innocent victim.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 11:35:20 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: Ohioan

No doubt these things are being organized and coordinated, likely right from 1600 Penn. The commies have figured out how hard it is to get our guns, so now begins the process of incrementally making it criminal to defend yourself with one. This s**t needs to be nipped in the bud, post haste.


7 posted on 05/24/2012 11:40:05 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: kevcol

If these people really wanted justice, they’d stop committing crimes. Why is that so hard to understand?


8 posted on 05/24/2012 11:45:27 AM PDT by Marauder ("I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just" -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SoDak
now begins the process of incrementally making it criminal to defend yourself with one

You focus on one of the most important aspects of the current assault on our institutions. For a full range of the arguments for American gun rights, see The Right & Duty To Keep & Bear Arms.

As for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. & this. Who can say. We know how far the Administration was willing to go with its "Fast & Furious" gambit. One can only hope that the impeachment of the number one Administration lawyer, who would not have so acted on his own, will go forward, soon.

William Flax

9 posted on 05/24/2012 11:54:35 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: kevcol

All we are saying
is give crime a break.


10 posted on 05/24/2012 11:56:17 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: kevcol

We pay taxes, support the law, raise our families, support our communities, and now we’re expected to be willing crime victims.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 11:59:10 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: kevcol

I’m going to fall back on the trusty, old Founders test. WOuld the Founders have agreed to establish the U.S. had they known eventually it would be possibly illegal ëxcessive force” to kill someone for breaking into or attempting to break into your property? Hell no.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 12:02:10 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: kevcol

I have no sympathy for a criminal stupid enough to say, “I’m going to kill you” to a guy armed with a shotgun. John Saul deserves a medal.


13 posted on 05/24/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by lazypadawan
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To: kevcol
It seems as though the Trayvon Martin media-fabricated-and-driven "racial killing" has led the criminal masses and their enablers/parents to believe that murderous criminals are now a protected class of citizen.

Which will lead to lots of more otherwise law-abiding people calling "Winston Wolfe".

14 posted on 05/24/2012 12:14:27 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: kevcol

I would love to see the store owner SUE the people who are protesting outside of his store as well as the money sources behind these groups. Isn’t this a form of harassment of a victim who defended his life? What happened to the victims’ rights groups? The store owner is being harassed for using self-defense. This is a new form of outrage. A lawsuit would open up a new line of inquiry in the courts.


15 posted on 05/24/2012 12:17:32 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: kevcol
It's about burglary - not about gangs.

Crime's a dangerous occupation...

Maybe the idiots with the protest signs should tell the kids coming up that when you threaten to harm an innocent citizen, you might get shot'...

16 posted on 05/24/2012 12:20:27 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: popdonnelly

Killin’ a homie in commission of a felony: Worse than snitchin’.


17 posted on 05/24/2012 12:26:17 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: kevcol
Please help support in finding justice!

Justice was located center mass and marked for future reference.

18 posted on 05/24/2012 12:27:22 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Ohioan
These demonstrations result from the deliberate spreading of Marxist rationalizations for class-warfare in communities deemed to be susceptible. There are repeated signs, in recent years, that the far Left senses they are entering an “End Game,” where they complete the multi-generational effort to overthrow the fundamentals of American society & social values.

In other words, these are symptoms of a very dangerous situation that has been carefully developed by our enemies.

The liberal establishment is pushing for more criminal resentment and anger - they're ginning up the vote and mobilizing the criminal class to work for them. Goons to enforce is how these groups are used in South American countries....

19 posted on 05/24/2012 12:27:28 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: kevcol

Every time I see one of these little protests, I’m moved to ask where the 10s of thousands of law-abiding citizens are, that should dwarf them 1000 to 1.

That’s the only thing that will put an end to this. Just swamp these gutter-snipes 1000 to 1 out there.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 12:30:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: GOPJ
We may be nearing a very, very ugly moment of truth.

We dare not lose this coming election.

William Flax

21 posted on 05/24/2012 12:32:30 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: kevcol

Th enabler family is no doubt waiting for their ghetto lottery.


22 posted on 05/24/2012 12:32:39 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SoDak

Remember how some years back the mayors of Democrat cities began trying to sue the gun manufacturers blaming them for the crime in their cities?


23 posted on 05/24/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: DoughtyOne

The gutter snipes are organized by professional “community organizers” who are very well paid for their “social justice” efforts through our own tax dollars via the Democrats.


24 posted on 05/24/2012 12:41:59 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom
You bet. Notice in each of the marches how "Jesse" and then "Ramon" are the ones quoted (probably sought out the reporters) and identified themselves to the reporters as, "friends" of the community?

Wouldn't you be a "member" of the community if you lived there?
25 posted on 05/24/2012 12:50:06 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: cradle of freedom

Agreed. As president I would make removing the funding of the Leftist organizers my top priority. That and getting schools that take government dollars to come to near parity in political beliefs of it’s professors, would be a must or lose those dollars.

As for NPR and PBS, they would have to show balance or they would lose all government funding as well.


26 posted on 05/24/2012 12:54:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: kevcol
Ramon Gomez, a self-described “friend of the community”...

Wonder if it's this Ramon Gomez.
27 posted on 05/24/2012 1:04:26 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol
How's that bi-lingual ed working out? Sign below says the shooter is a "Syco Path Killer".


28 posted on 05/24/2012 1:10:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: lazypadawan

Saul believed ‘im.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 1:13:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: montag813
"Syco Path Killer".

Qu'est-ce que c'est!

30 posted on 05/24/2012 1:14:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

killed ‘imself a syco path.


31 posted on 05/24/2012 1:19:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou, let me ABOs run loose! They are of much use Lou, so let me ABOs run loose)
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To: kevcol
Leslie Nielsen in the Naked Gun movies said it best when someone called 911 about accidentally killing a gang banger and the officer says “oh that's just a 10 dollar fine”. That is the way it should be.
32 posted on 05/24/2012 1:20:35 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: kevcol
Walla Walla: Home to the State Pen and the Death House <;8^)

I guess the punk took the short cut.

Ed

33 posted on 05/24/2012 1:21:30 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: kevcol
Imagine what fun could be had in printing out a bunch of flyers to distribute in the area:

Photobucket

34 posted on 05/24/2012 1:45:16 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: kevcol
“We’ll take it civil, but either way he’s gonna get justice.

Justice=gettin' paid.

35 posted on 05/24/2012 2:02:50 PM PDT by mykroar (Romney: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Shows daily.)
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To: kevcol
Choose your side and your bumper sticker...

The Gang Banga Car Jacka Thuggin' Fo Hoes Protection Society

The Only Good Thug Is A Dead Thug.

36 posted on 05/24/2012 2:50:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: kevcol
Due to the increase of the price of ammunition,
no warning shot will be given.

37 posted on 05/24/2012 3:16:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: kevcol
Due to the increase of the price of ammunition,
no warning shot will be given.

38 posted on 05/24/2012 3:17:01 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: cradle of freedom
Yah, found more pics - can see how this might deter business, maybe he should sue?






39 posted on 05/24/2012 5:19:47 PM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

What, no pictures of the perp when he was 8 years old at first holy communion?


40 posted on 05/24/2012 5:56:26 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: DoughtyOne

Those 1000 are too busy working to pay for the welfare for these vermin.


41 posted on 05/24/2012 6:12:17 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Those 1000 are too busy working to pay for the welfare for these vermin.


42 posted on 05/24/2012 6:12:29 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: kevcol

The question everyone wants to know.....did he have Skittles?


43 posted on 05/24/2012 6:15:26 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: kevcol

The question everyone wants to know.....did he have Skittles?


44 posted on 05/24/2012 6:15:46 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I agree. There’s more than a bit of truth in this. I’ll bet we’re covering part of their college tuition too.


45 posted on 05/24/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Ohioan

There is a good number of Freepers who are trying very hard to see that we do lose this election.


46 posted on 05/24/2012 6:22:47 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
"There is a good number of Freepers who are trying very hard to see that we do lose this election."

The problem, there, should lessen somewhat, as we get closer to the event. Certainly, we should be able to make gains among reluctant Conservatives, if the approach is right. I am working on a piece, right now, which discusses the Romney candidacy--and how we might work to move the candidate further to the Right.

We need to refrain from fighting with each other, in any event, and keep the focus on waking up as many Americans as possible. That will work for the good, both with respect to electing the best people, and also pushing those elected in the right direction. Ultimately an aroused public of loyal Americans is the only sure remedy to the systematic destruction that has been going on.

William Flax

47 posted on 05/25/2012 11:20:04 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: kevcol

Did you hear Glenn Beck this morning or did you check out his website today? Glenn is talking about an ex-con terrorist named Brett Kimberlin who spent 17 years in prison for attempted murder. Kimberlin is now working with the Tides Foundation and Soros to intimidate bloggers who have been exposing his activities. He is working for Occupy Accountablity and uses all sorts of illegal and threatening activities to intimidate anyone who is threatening to expose his criminal activities. It looks like this protest in front of this business is of the same calibre of thug behavior that Kimberlin is using. Soros is a criminal who belongs in jail with Kimberlin and other terrorists. When that other terrorist criminal Eric Holder is finally out of office we can start getting to the bottom of this.


48 posted on 05/25/2012 4:06:59 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: kevcol

If the bast@ards can use *lawfare* to their advantage, the good guys can too. We have been turning the other cheek for way too long. These are our sworn enemies and they must pay the price when they take away our rights to self defense.


49 posted on 05/25/2012 4:15:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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