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Hawaii State Registrar does not verify authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate
WashingtonTimes.com ^ | May 24, 2012 | Alan Jones

Posted on 05/25/2012 2:01:59 AM PDT by Kukai

The “Verification of Birth” letter sent by the Hawaii State Registrar Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett fails to respond to the fundamental question asked by Mr. Bennett in a March 30, 2012 letter to Hawaii Department of Health officials: Whether or not the image of President Obama’s “long form” Certificate of Live Birth, posted on the White House web site on April 27, 2011 is a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”. The official whose signature appears on the “Verification of Birth,” as well as the copy of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth released by the White House is Onaka who is refusing to talk to Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (Ariz.) Cold Case Posse investigator Mike Zullo who was on the ground in Hawaii. In response to an outcry from Arizona constituents troubled by the March 1, 2012 Cold Case Posse announcement there is probable cause the image posted on the White House website is a forgery, Arizona Secretary Bennett enclosed a printout of the White House website image with his letter, and requested verification that the image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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1 posted on 05/25/2012 2:02:12 AM PDT by Kukai
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To: Kukai

Another happy heaping helping of weasel words, with a side order of dodged questions. A simple yes or no answer would have been good, and the absence thereof just makes the alleged documents more suspect.


2 posted on 05/25/2012 2:16:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Kukai

We know who Obama’s father is...”The author of confusion”.

I can hear the dancing from here....the Obama Shuffle.

There is a bit of obfuscation going on around here.


3 posted on 05/25/2012 2:21:05 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Kukai

Interesting.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 2:22:55 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Kukai

Obama’s mom didn’t apply for a Certificate of Citizenship, she applied for a Green Card for Obama to live in the US as a Legal Resident Alien.. After he turned 18, Obama naturalized as a US Citizen.


5 posted on 05/25/2012 2:33:59 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Kukai
Corsi has said their investigations are indicating the Kenyan SR is not his father.
6 posted on 05/25/2012 2:35:07 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

I though for sometime that the problem was the true father, thats why he has kept it hidden.


7 posted on 05/25/2012 2:55:23 AM PDT by depenzz (There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by sword. The other is by debt. John Adam)
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To: opentalk
So who needs Corsi?


8 posted on 05/25/2012 2:57:10 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: opentalk

With a Court Order, HDOH can amend, update, change or edit Obama’s COLB as many times as necessary to keep Obama in office. Obama’s Alien Registration File with DHS is incriminating

The Bush Administration gave Arpaio access to DHS records. The Obama Administration terminated Arpaios access in Dec, 2011.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 3:00:33 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

makes you wonder when they will start threatening people with obstructing an investigation and interfering with police

that should make people move


10 posted on 05/25/2012 3:12:36 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Kukai

water-boarding Hawaii Department of Health officials might bring out the truth, little else will .


11 posted on 05/25/2012 3:13:22 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Smokin' Joe

THE original DOCUMENTS need to be Produced,This Onaka is Covering for himself and The State Of Hawaii from exposure for all the Illegals They Imported into their State To farm their Pineapples at the time Obama was an Infant.
All this Crap about it matches this and that is Crap


12 posted on 05/25/2012 3:21:14 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Smokin' Joe

THE original DOCUMENTS need to be Produced,This Onaka is Covering for himself and The State Of Hawaii from exposure for all the Illegals They Imported into their State To farm their Pineapples at the time Obama was an Infant.
All this Crap about it matches this and that is Crap


13 posted on 05/25/2012 3:21:30 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: shibumi

No way Malcom X could have such a DUMB offspring. Besides, Stanley wasn’t exactly all that.


14 posted on 05/25/2012 3:22:45 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: shibumi

No way Malcom X could have such a DUMB offspring. Besides, Stanley wasn’t exactly all that.


15 posted on 05/25/2012 3:23:02 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: Smokin' Joe
Another happy heaping helping of weasel words, with a side order of dodged questions. A simple yes or no answer would have been good, and the absence thereof just makes the alleged documents more suspect.

BTTT.

16 posted on 05/25/2012 3:33:53 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: Kukai

AZ should just deny him a spot on the ballot. Put the onus on HIM to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. He will send Holder to do his bidding anyhow.


17 posted on 05/25/2012 3:38:15 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer (Don't tread on us...or you'll pay the price in the next election.)
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To: ballplayer

Folks..I think a significant percentage of Americans would like to have proof that our President is legally qualified for office and it boggles my mind that this issue which is one so simply to resolve for the rest of us is off limits for Obama. When you have powerful leaders of both political parties and powerful liberal and conservative media outlets on both radio and TV covering up for this, you have to wonder why..It is irrational for any thinking person not to ask “why.” Are they afraid the country will go down if everyone learns that the President is not eligible for the highest office? Or, are they afraid for their own careers that they allowed an unvetted person to achieve that? The issue is so simple to resolve and so mind boggling that it is NOT resolved. I would ask FOXNEWS this..”Who put out the word that this is off limits?” Have you folks watched Shawn Hannity, who is so passionate about his convictions, twist and squirm when this comes up. He will always quickly deny that there is any question that the President might not be a natural born citizen. Very, very strange.


18 posted on 05/25/2012 3:47:34 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Kukai

Even so, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett said on Wednesday that Hawaii’s “Verification of Birth” satisfies Arizona requirements, and that Barack Obama will appear on the November ballot.
............................................................

Why did Bennett accept it and place Obama on the ballot if he isn’t satisfied?
Why did he ask in the first place if he wasn’t willing to carry out his threat.
Why is the State of Hawaii deliberately involved in Treason by covering up facts?


19 posted on 05/25/2012 3:57:37 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: shibumi

WOW!


20 posted on 05/25/2012 4:30:01 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama’s mom didn’t apply for a Certificate of Citizenship, she applied for a Green Card for Obama to live in the US as a Legal Resident Alien.. After he turned 18, Obama naturalized as a US Citizen.

I'm confessing ignorance here. Obama came to the U.S. with a green card? And naturalized? This is a conceivable scenario, but is it documented on the record?

21 posted on 05/25/2012 4:33:00 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: sten
I'm not sure what it will take. Obama sealed his own records. The media yawned instead of proclaiming outrage. Holder has their backs, the HI officials can always claim they are only following the law, etc. I think the AZ SOS had an opportunity to simply say the questions have been dodged, but not answered. But it doesn't look like that is going to happen, either. Until there is a loud and protracted public outcry and the MSM gets the herd off the couch (and maybe not even then), I doubt anything meaningful will be accomplished.

I persist with the issue because I want to know the truth, and if he's ineligible, I want that known before it is too late to unravel all the socialist tendrils which have snaked their way into our Republic.

Also, when the truth finally comes out, I want to look at those who ignore the issue and say "I told you!".

22 posted on 05/25/2012 5:04:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: shibumi

That is what I believe.


23 posted on 05/25/2012 5:12:26 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Kukai

24 posted on 05/25/2012 5:12:39 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ballplayer
Here is the corner they have painted themselves into, though: If they admit now that there either:

...are no original documents...

The documents show a different father than the fable we have been handed...

or the documents don't match...

or they have other documents which would show they have misled the American people all along.

Not only there be a significant portion of the population calling for their heads on pikes, but they would get the 'credit' for any ensuing Constitutional crisis, and likely would face Federal charges as well for anything from obstruction of justice to treason.

They have skin in the game, too. Maybe if the Arizona Attorney General offered them immunity...

25 posted on 05/25/2012 5:19:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: opentalk

Obama sure neither looks like his dad nor treats his ‘family’ from that side as if he is.


26 posted on 05/25/2012 5:21:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: butterdezillion; All

Ping


27 posted on 05/25/2012 5:43:49 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jazzlite
very, very strange

Always thinking the same thing. The squirming is more bizarre than the lying. Rush does it too.

Wasn't sure what to think about BO's BC until I watched:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

Orangegold1 nails down the discrepancies in a way that has uncompromised veracity.

28 posted on 05/25/2012 5:48:39 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: Kukai

Sure looks to me that the “original” on file that matches the WH LFCOLB.pdf is not the only information that Hawaii has regarding Obama’s birth. There is likely an amendment or an invalidation on that “original” record.

There are a few other possibilities, but given the changes from the standard records verification to the highly specialized one that was used, this one seems to fit.

I’m glad to see the WT picking up on this issue.


29 posted on 05/25/2012 5:57:21 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: BigCinBigD

I read the article. It is clutching at hair thin straws.


30 posted on 05/25/2012 6:01:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kukai

“Hawaii State Registrar does not verify authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate”

Of course not. Because they know someone could seriously be going to prison for this.


31 posted on 05/25/2012 6:06:30 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: LeoWindhorse

water-boarding Hawaii Department of Health officials might bring out the truth, little else will .


If you watched or listened to the interviews with Hannity and the man heading up the EIT program, water boarding did not crack Khalid Sheik Mohammed. It was 7 days of sleep deprivation that finally got him to cooperate. During the waterboarding he knew what the limits were to pouring water so he would count during the procedure.


32 posted on 05/25/2012 6:21:17 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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33 posted on 05/25/2012 6:25:43 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: opentalk
Do you think the law cares about DNA when establishing legal paternity?

The law cares about legal documents.

Many men find this out when they find out the child they thought was theirs is the child of some other man - the law cares not - if it is their name on the birth certificate they are the legal father and obligated to pay child support.

So is your contention that there is someone other than 0bama Sr. listed as the father on the birth certificate - or that someone else is actually the DNA father?

34 posted on 05/25/2012 6:32:20 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Good post. More Americans read magazines like that than watch news. A great way to get the word out! Barry will be found out.


35 posted on 05/25/2012 6:43:02 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: cuban leaf

Lawyers make their careers out of splitting hairs with legalese, don’t they.


36 posted on 05/25/2012 6:47:54 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Puckster

That’s Obamafuscation to you buddy.


37 posted on 05/25/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Kukai
...a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”.

In other words, "is the original record in your files the same fake document that was released on the White House website?"

38 posted on 05/25/2012 7:18:40 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Kukai
...a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”.

In other words, "is the original record in your files the same fake document that was released on the White House website?"

39 posted on 05/25/2012 7:33:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Double post- refreshed while still on the reply screen after mid-morning snack...


40 posted on 05/25/2012 7:35:54 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: jazzlite
Have you folks watched Shawn Hannity, who is so passionate about his convictions, twist and squirm when this comes up. He will always quickly deny that there is any question that the President might not be a natural born citizen. Very, very strange.

Sean has a wife and kids, and though he is well off, he probably can't afford private security 24/7/52. 'Nuff said.

41 posted on 05/25/2012 7:42:33 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

You routinely post nonsense like this with absolutely no evidence for your claims, even when challenged on it.

Mods, look up the posting history of this person and please evaluate their privileges.


42 posted on 05/25/2012 7:46:10 AM PDT by GeorgeWBiscuit
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To: Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; Fantasywriter; ...

What the HDOH is even more incriminating than not confirming the genuineness of Obama’s forged long-form.

Bennett was required to change the “wording” on his request before HI deputy AG Joshua Wisch would allow the HDOH to send anything at all. There were 2 parts of Bennett’s request that were changed:
1. the “wording” on this part of Bennett’s SPECIAL (non-application-form) request
2. Bennett dropped the form request altogether.

Addressing those 2 changes:

1. The wording change was so the HDOH would not have to verify that Obama’s forgery is genuine but WOULD confirm that the information in Obama’s forgery matches the information on their record. So what’s the difference then? Why did Obama have to forge a BC if the info was the same? Because there was MORE on the real record than he wanted people to see. Not more items, because his forgery had all the items normally on a LFBC. What was different? The real thing has stamps saying “LATE” and “ALTERED”, and a notation (right where the seal is supposed to go) of what evidence was submitted in support of a late and/or amended filing, and when. This conclusion is consistent with the claims of the HDOH, former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama; Chiyome Fukino, and Gov Neil Abercrombie - AND makes sense out of #2 below.

2. The form request was withdrawn (at the demand of Joshua Wisch, presumably) even though it actually contained the items that pertain to presidential eligibility: place and date of birth and parents’ names. Why? Not because these items are off-limits to ask, obviously - because they are on the standard request form. But that’s the problem: they are a standard request for verification. According to HRS 338-14.3 a standard request for verification requires the HDOH to certify the TRUE facts of birth. And HRS 338-17 says that a late and/or altered BC is not legally probative - IOW, the claims on that BC are legally questionable and the State of HI cannot vouch for their accuracy. So the HDOH CANNOT verify the true facts of Obama’s birth. Onaka knew that, and as “client” of the HI AG’s office let them know that he COULD NOT respond to Bennett’s STANDARD request.

So they went with Plan B: Bennett’s SPECIAL REQUEST. The request that asked the HDOH to verify FROM THE RECORD ON FILE, 11 particular items. That, the HDOH could do. They verified that they have a record on file (never said it was legally valid, which it’s not) and that the record on file CLAIMS blah, blah, blah. In his certifying statement Bennett states that they are verifying what is sworn on the record on file.

There is a thread about this at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2887501/posts There’s more analysis in some of the comments there.

And I’ve got a detailed analysis (plus links to a bunch of supporting documenation and corroborating details) at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hi-non-verification-1.pdf

We need to understand - and make known - the fact that Joshua Wisch required these changes to Bennett’s request to specifically accommodate the fact that Obama’s BC is late and amended and therefore legally non-valid.

I have sent an e-mail to Ken Bennett, noting that the info that actually pertains to presidential eligibility was on the standard request form, which he did not receive a response to even though he said he got what he had asked for. I asked him why he withdrew that request form. We’ll see what happens but I’m not holding my breath.


43 posted on 05/25/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
In the Corsi interview, he also said Bennett is a Romney adviser. Not sure if anything is implied, more for disclosure.
44 posted on 05/25/2012 8:09:59 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Kukai

Come on, man! Two days ago Arizona SOS said this was over. The article comfirms, “Even so, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett said on Wednesday that Hawaii’s “Verification of Birth” satisfies Arizona requirements, and that Barack Obama will appear on the November ballot.”

So, WTF didn’t the Times reporter ask why he is going to be on the ballot if there is still a question?

What crappy reporting. Does anybody know the answer?


45 posted on 05/25/2012 8:21:05 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Venturer

Exactly! And why didn’t the WT reporter ask him why?!


46 posted on 05/25/2012 8:27:44 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: opentalk

A SOS should not be a campaign adviser for a Presidential candidate. That’s a clear conflict of interest. I’m surprised that Bennett didn’t realize that.


47 posted on 05/25/2012 8:46:26 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SvenMagnussen

You bring up an interesting thing to contemplate: What would MacGyver do? Any thoughts?


48 posted on 05/25/2012 8:47:11 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Lee'sGhost

This WT reporter is a citizen reporter, not an employee of The Washington Times. Sort of like I’m a blogger. I sent an e-mail asking Bennett why he withdrew his official request form when it had the info pertinent to Presidential eligibility (date and place of birth and parents’ names). That was sent yesterday at 11:35AM Nebraska time (9:35am AZ time, I believe). I have not heard a response. And I doubt I will ever get a response.

I’m not from the NYT or LA Times so he can ignore me. Just like he can ignore Alan Jones, the reporter who wrote this article (IIRC).

This is why the media malpractice of the so-called MSM is so devastating. And it’s also why little peons like me have to pimp their blogs - to get enough people to pay attention that somebody big enough to get responses from the players actually picks up the story.

The big story that I believe needs to get out is summarized at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2887801/posts?page=43#43 (post 43 in this thread).

Anybody who can help get this out there is greatly appreciated.


49 posted on 05/25/2012 8:55:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

This is pretty much the argument I was making when I said that it was HAWAII DOH that created the fake document. You have done a good job fleshing out the details of it.


50 posted on 05/25/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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