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The unraveling myth of Watergate
Human Events ^ | 5-25-12 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 05/25/2012 4:01:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: ngat
Sorry, dude. Bet you haven't even read the book. Liddy and Dean were the only two left who know what happened. Liddy went to prison for what he believed in. Dean lied to stay out of jail. Guess who I believe. I think you have bought into the left's story of how it went down.

Ping me after you've read "Silent Coup." Until then, sayonara.

61 posted on 05/25/2012 5:03:13 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: DuncanWaring
"As will Max Holland's "Leak: Why Mark Felt Became Deep Throat," out this spring and the definitive book on why J. Edgar Hoover's deputy betrayed his bureau and sought to destroy the honorable man who ran it, L. Patrick Gray.

"I've heard there's already a book out (don't recall the title) making the case that it's because Felt thought he should have been made Director of the FBI, and thus wanted to destroy Gray out of jealousy."

That would be the Holland book.

62 posted on 05/25/2012 5:05:57 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Steely Tom

“...would reveal some even darker secret, some larger plot.”

It has been a long time since I read the book, but the darker secret IIRC was that the military thought the State Department had too much say in the policies and wanted Nixon taken out, using Watergate as a pretense. (I think I might be way off on that, but I know the military and State did not agree on things.)

I recall years after reading the book seeing a magazine article (Time? newsweek?) where Admiral Moorer (was Woodward’s superior when he was in the Navy) was investigated for buying used (still operating) military equipment under the pretense for museums, and then selling them to foreign countries.

He replied something like “It is ludicrious and unbelieveable to think that I would buy.....”

That line in the magazine sounded REAL familiar from a few years earlier when I had read the book. I found the book, and there, where he is being accused of spying on the State Department and the president, he replies “It is ludicrous and unbelievable to think that I would spy.....”

I may be off on the “ludicrous” and “unbelievable”, but the exact wording was using in both the book (1980’s?) to the magazine article (2000’s?)

And I always wondered if Haig didn’t have it in somehow for Nixon. There was something in the book about his thirst for power, and then his “I’m in charge” comment when Reagan was shot made me think a bit.


63 posted on 05/25/2012 5:15:54 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The loss of Egypt, Libya, and the middle east countries to radical Islam may prove to be too much for the Iraqis.

The left requires human sacrifice to survive. I guess we’ll see.


64 posted on 05/25/2012 5:26:50 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 21twelve
And I always wondered if Haig didn’t have it in somehow for Nixon. There was something in the book about his thirst for power, and then his “I’m in charge” comment when Reagan was shot made me think a bit.

There was certainly something going on between Haig and Henry Kissinger. Silent Coup contains a description of a couple of incidents in which Haig intimidated Kissinger physically. He seemed to really get a kick out of threatening to beat Kissinger up.

65 posted on 05/25/2012 6:09:09 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Clay Moore

The latest, which also makes the most sense to me, is that there actually was one individual informant, and the rat’s name was Mark Felt.

All I know is what I read.


66 posted on 05/26/2012 6:46:58 AM PDT by ngat
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To: LS

I would would not even bother to reply to your dumb post if you hadn’t flat out accused me of being the bullshi**er you are.

I bought the book and read it 20 years ago, weighed the information in it, dismissed it as full of half-truths and disinformation mixed with good information and half-backed theories, written when the whole Watergate subject was still fresh in enough people’s minds to make a book that claimed to be the definitive explanation of Watergate a best-seller.

It was written 20 years after Watergate and in the 20 years since then, enough information has come out to discredit the book as anything to use as a reference work on Watergate.

Besides, if your bullsh** meter didn’t peg out when one of the greatest bullsh****rs of all time, radio talkshow host G.Gordon Liddy, endorsed the book, well, I worry about you.

And, thanks for making me go find the old book in that box in the attic. Think I’ll put it back on the shelf in my library in case a friend wants to borrow it.


67 posted on 05/26/2012 7:15:11 AM PDT by ngat
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To: ngat
You have yet to state a single "fact" that "discredited the book." 1) Liddy testified that they were looking at a state-level DNC guy's desk . . . NOT O'brien's. Do you have any contrary evidence or testimony?

2) That particular guy's desk---and NO OTHER---was tied to John Dean, and had no special relevance or importance as far as the campaign was concerned. Do you have any evidence or testimony to the contrary?

3) There is no evidence or testimony that they looked anywhere else in the DNC HQ that night. Do you have any facts to the contrary? No less a historian than Joan Hoff Wilson, a huge lib, who rejected the conclusions of "Silent Coup," nevertheless could not refute its basic assertions.

Now, it's your turn to present evidence and stop the infantile name calling.

68 posted on 05/26/2012 7:37:37 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: ngat
BTW, there is a reason history is usually written 20 years or more after events---precisely because people at the time often don't have all the facts.

Oh, and I think you meant "half-baked," not "half-backed."

69 posted on 05/26/2012 7:39:01 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Please excuse the typo. I did mean half-baked.

And it was you who started with the name-calling, by back-handedly accusing me of being a liar by posting without having read the book. Which I own. < (incomplete sentence)

If you choose to believe that Watergate was nothing but a bunch of fools risking everything on the say-so of a punk-kid lawyer who had just been made Lawyer-Nixon’s lawyer, then go ahead and believe.


70 posted on 05/26/2012 8:40:51 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Steely Tom

“There was certainly something going on between Haig and Henry Kissinger. Silent Coup contains a description of a couple of incidents in which Haig intimidated Kissinger physically. He seemed to really get a kick out of threatening to beat Kissinger up.”

Colodny and Gettlin lifted that baloney straight out of Woodward and Bernstein’s “The Final Days”.

Your words are the impression the lefties want you to have of Haig.

That is just one of the reasons you should view “Silent Coup” as the leftist book of disinformation it actually is.


71 posted on 05/26/2012 8:53:35 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Steely Tom

“Liddy seemed to believe that Dean was the cause of Watergate, that Watergate would never have happened without Dean, and that Dean cynically burned his employer and changed history for the worse in order to save his own skin.”
Messrs. Colodny and Gettlin agree. However, the “Coup” was the Democrats, Judge Sirca and the MF-Press transforming the ATTEMPED COVER UP OF THE BREAK-IN ....INTO.... A BREAK-IN PLANNED, DIRECTED AND AUTHORIZED BY NIXON HIMSELF thus an Impeachable Offense.
Most citizens today think the break-in was an idea planned and approved by Nixon.


72 posted on 05/26/2012 3:29:32 PM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern Union Whites died between 1861-65 to free the slaves. Memorial Day.)
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