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U.S. asks judge to undo ruling against military detention law (NDAA)
Reuters ^ | May 25, 2012 | Basil Katz

Posted on 05/26/2012 6:42:16 AM PDT by opentalk

NEW YORK (Reuters) -Federal prosecutors on Friday urged a judge to lift her order barring enforcement of part of a new law that permits indefinite military detention, a measure critics including a prize-winning journalist say is too vague and threatens free speech.

Manhattan federal court Judge Katherine Forrest this month ruled in favor of activists and reporters who said they feared being detained under a section of the law, signed by President Barack Obama in December. The government says indefinite military detention without trial is justified in some cases involving militants and their supporters.

But critics worry that the law is unclear and gives the Executive Branch sole discretion to decide who and what type of activities can be considered as supporting militants.

(Excerpt) Read more at mobile.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: johnbrennan; ndaa; obama

1 posted on 05/26/2012 6:42:25 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

One of our judges does the right thing, and the administration pounces. But Barry, these were all progressives who brought the suit. Your guys. Getting confused?


2 posted on 05/26/2012 6:48:14 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Something is not right.

This passed both houses easily, congress pushed and approved domestic drones, and are now pushing to use government state department propaganda domestically.

This Judge was helping stop the slide. There needs to be more push back. Romney and Rubio approve of NDAA.

3 posted on 05/26/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

“Bruce Afran, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, said the government’s brief failed to address fundamental concerns about what type of conduct is outside the law, and which person or group is deemed sufficiently “independent” of enemy forces.”

So, US journalists want to be told how much support they can give to terrorists before being prosecuted. One can only wonder if our journalists that covered WWII needed to be told not to support the enemy.


4 posted on 05/26/2012 7:02:27 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: firebrand
The guys who tell the kenyan what to do are the very same guys that tell the GOPe to do.

Ever notice that, no matter which party is in power, the agenda to rob us of, not only of our Liberties, but our God Given Rights continues unabated?

The dems signed onto the Patriot Act and Bush signed it. The GOPe passed NDAA and the kenyan signed it.

They keep pushing to control the internet, first SOPA, then PIPA, then CISPA, and they will keep pushing it, and then quietly hid it inside some other transportation or farm subsidy bill and it will get passed in the dead of night. And obamney - which ever one wins - will sign it.

5 posted on 05/26/2012 7:03:18 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Everything you say is true, yet there was some hanky-panky by Obama in the passage of this bill.

He twisted arms at the last minute. I believe he even said he wouldn’t sign it and then he did. Then he said, well, he signed it but he wouldn’t enforce it. Can anyone believe him? If this were true, why would they be pouncing on this judge?

I’d like to ask Allen West why he voted yes. I’m sure his story would be enlightening if he dared to tell it.


6 posted on 05/26/2012 7:21:18 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: opentalk
Romney and Rubio approve of NDAA.

And your point is?

. What about (almost) every Republi-Tard Senator who voted to pass this pos legislation in the first place?

7 posted on 05/26/2012 7:40:36 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Sirius Lee

Sirius Lee in post #5 summed it up.


8 posted on 05/26/2012 7:52:39 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

The US has 16 major intelligence agencies and over 100 federal police agencies. Add to that the vast number of state and local police and a simple question emerges:

If the federal government needs the military to detain US citizens inside the US without indictment, arrest or trial, then shouldn’t lots of these federal police and spies be fired, since they can’t do their jobs?

Or is it so important to deny American citizens their civil rights at the whim of the POTUS?

Simple logic: Rush Limbaugh supports the Republican party, who in turn are interfering with Obama’s “Not War On Terror”, so are thus supporting terrorists. Therefore, Obama can direct a platoon of NORTHCOM soldiers to detain Limbaugh indefinitely, at least until after the elections.


9 posted on 05/26/2012 8:16:28 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: opentalk

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10 posted on 05/26/2012 9:29:14 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: opentalk

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11 posted on 05/26/2012 9:29:37 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: opentalk

I apologize for the double post.


12 posted on 05/26/2012 9:30:32 AM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
From AP

...WASHINGTON (AP) —White House counterterror chief John Brennan has seized the lead in guiding the debate on which terror leaders will be targeted for drone attacks or raids, establishing a new procedure to vet both military and CIA targets.

The move concentrates power over the use of lethal U.S. force outside war zones at the White House.

13 posted on 05/26/2012 11:24:53 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Much, much worse than just concentrating power at the WH. John Brennan is a Czar. This means he was never vetted by the US senate, as is responsible only to Obama.

This is a clear and present danger to our constitutional form of government. The president of the United States can now order the killing of a human being.

To be abundantly clear: this civilian, not an authorized part of our government, is a one man “Murder, Inc.”, determining who lives and dies. He orders the US military to assassinate people.

It has long been the official policy of the US government to not assassinate “foreign leaders”. However, anyone else is fair game for killing, or even murder, if they are “collateral damage” to a targeted killing.

This is an unacceptable situation.


14 posted on 05/26/2012 12:10:13 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Sirius Lee

You are right. However, it is more than just GOPe, whatever that is. It is the phony “conservatives” too who push for unlimited power for the endless warmongers. I can’t believe I am saying this...


15 posted on 05/27/2012 2:00:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy
Final vote on NDAA: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

AYES 190-R 93-D = 283

NOES 43-R 93-D = 136

NV 8-R 6-D = 14

It is a sad state of affairs when Democrats, perhaps unintentionally, are more likely to vote against oppressive government than Republicans.

16 posted on 05/27/2012 2:15:15 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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