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Firing of Dobbs Elementary teacher upheld for aiding students on tests (cheating)
AJC ^ | 5/23/12 | Jaime Sarrio

Posted on 05/27/2012 3:58:00 AM PDT by Libloather

Firing of Dobbs Elementary teacher upheld for aiding students on tests
By Jaime Sarrio
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
5:59 p.m. Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The firing of a fifth teacher in the Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal was upheld Wednesday by a tribunal.

Derrick Broadwater, a teacher at Dobbs Elementary, was accused of helping students with words they didn't know and prompting them to recheck answers if he suspected something was incorrect.

The tribunal voted to uphold APS' decision to terminate Broadwater after hearing recordings of the teacher talking to GBI investigators in March 2011.

“I always tell my kids to go back and check over their answers ... that means something is wrong. They know that’s a prompt I do,” Broadwater said on a recording.

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atlanta; broadwater; cheating; derrickbroadwater; dobbselementary; education; teacher; teacherunions; tests; unions; unionthugs
Getting rid of the slugs one at a time.
1 posted on 05/27/2012 3:58:17 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

When all this testing business started up and it was attached to teacher pay-raises....you could predict with absoluteness...that bad things were to follow.


2 posted on 05/27/2012 4:03:51 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Libloather
If Obama had a cheating teacher........


3 posted on 05/27/2012 4:06:40 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Libloather

I wonder how they caught this guy in the first place—perhaps giving the help exclusively to black kids and ignoring the rest?


4 posted on 05/27/2012 5:04:56 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Libloather

Imagine how dopes like this can survive in the dreaded private sector??? They can’t!! All these idiots want to be sucking up taxes via gov’t jobs


5 posted on 05/27/2012 5:09:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SkyPilot

Another distinguished edumactor >>>> BUSTED!!


6 posted on 05/27/2012 5:10:54 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

We live in Georgia. A few years ago a local educator had an accident involving my son. No witnesses. He was young. She blamed him so eventually our insurance had to pay. She milked our insurance company for almost $100,000. Oh, she was a teacher. I had acquaintances at the school where she worked and they told me that she had made it clear she really did not have a “soft tissue” injury but was trying to make some easy money.

I found evidence where she had pulled this stunt in other states. But as is typical of insurance companies, it was easier and cheaper to pay her off than to spend the time fighting it in court.

I wish they would take the stand and fight some of these fakers. It would cost a little bit more for a few years but then would stop this perceived gravy train for the “I am a victim crowd.”


7 posted on 05/27/2012 5:18:16 AM PDT by Josa
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To: Libloather

If the only thing he ever did was to prompt kids to check their answers, or to pronounce some difficult words it might rise to a level of a severe letter of reprimand. Firing is another issue, especially if it can’t be proven he actually gave away any real answers. It depends on the amount of “wink wink, nod nod, ahem ahems” he would use in checking those tests, in accodance with any interactions going on with studets in the “checking” process.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 5:23:20 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Kiss the Son!)
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To: thethirddegree
I wonder how they caught this guy in the first place—perhaps giving the help exclusively to black kids and ignoring the rest?

No. The full methodology that led to targeting specific Georgia school districts, specific schools, and specific classrooms (i.e., teachers) was in the report prepared for the Georgia governor.

In brief, the investigators looked at the number of erasures on the standardized test sheets to see what percentage of the erasures changed wrong answers to right answers, then compared that to the expected number based on a large number of criteria.

Schools with a large number of classrooms that fell a large number of standard deviations from the norm (classrooms with results that statistically just wouldn't have happened randomly except once in hundreds of trillions of tries) were identified.

In some Atlanta Public School System schools, up to 80% of the classrooms experienced wrong-to-right erasures that FOR ONE CLASSROOM would happen by chance less than one time in 700 trillion times, yet 80% of the classrooms experienced those wrong-to-right erasure rates, or higher.

It wasn't by race. You just looked the answer sheets for a teacher's studnets and noticed that everything had been erased and changed to the right answer.

9 posted on 05/27/2012 5:27:09 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thank you for the information on this Scoutmaster.


10 posted on 05/27/2012 5:32:44 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: mdmathis6
Start with Page 191 of the Second Part of the State of Georgia report on the school system cheating scandal. Broadway already confessed to investigators. He also illegal had a copy of the CRCT test so he could direct students to the correct answers. He said he didn't think he was doing wrong by helping students cheat because they came to his class unprepared to do third-grade work.

His school had some classrooms with wrong to right erasure rate at over 50 standard deviations from the norm. At seven standard deviations an event happens randomly less frequently than once in 390 billion occurrences. (I'm not talking 'statistics' very clearly).

He admitted he cheated. I'm almost sympathetic with him because he's one of the teachers who admitted cheating to the original investigators.

11 posted on 05/27/2012 5:53:12 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

That info wasn’t in the news story, nor did I have the links to the report you cite....on second thought throw the bum out!


12 posted on 05/27/2012 6:04:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Kiss the Son!)
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To: thethirddegree
You're welcome. I read the full report twice - almost a year ago - and am a little rusty on the details. What I distinctly remember is how high the threshold was before a school was even deemed to be a possible cheater (basically, statistics said a school was a guaranteed-bet, big-time, dyed-in-the-wool cheater before it was even considered.

I'd suggest reading only a few pages starting at page 9 of the First Part of the report.

13 posted on 05/27/2012 6:15:56 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Do you think former Atlanta School Superintendent Beverly Hall will ever be charged?


14 posted on 05/27/2012 6:29:10 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: Scoutmaster
...yet 80% of the classrooms experienced those wrong-to-right erasure rates, or higher.

Holy hanging chad, Batman!

Thank you for the explanation, Sir.

15 posted on 05/27/2012 6:34:59 AM PDT by moovova (New requirements for President: Birth certificate AND a urine test.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Yep, and it’s not hard to find out!


16 posted on 05/27/2012 6:37:16 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Atlantan
Do you think former Atlanta School Superintendent Beverly Hall will ever be charged?

I could only guess. I could name factors in favor of charging her, but many more political factors that point to not charging her.

17 posted on 05/27/2012 6:56:16 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: moovova
Thank you for the explanation, Sir.

It's amazing that you could decipher it given the typos and errors in grammar.

Wrong-to-right erasure rates occur at seven standard deviations from the norm so rarely that the odds of them happening naturally are approximately the same as you buying a ticket to a concert with 14,000 other people - and you show up and everyone else there is over seven feet tall, just by chance.

Yet most of these APS classrooms (and classrooms in other public school systems) are showing WTR erasure rates sitting at 9, 15 - and 52 standard deviations from the norm.

And those classrooms are in the same school as other classrooms experiencing WTR erasure rates sitting 30, 40, and 50 standard deviations from the norm. In fact, every tested classroom in that school is showing a WTR erasure rate that would happen, by chance, independently, less frequently than one in a few hundred million (or trillion, or trillion-squared) times.

You want to talk about whether the teachers in these schools cheated and whether the test administrator and principals in these schools were complicit BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT?

18 posted on 05/27/2012 7:07:42 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

My wife teaches grad-level ed leadership at a local university. I asked her if she wanted to read the Atlanta report on the cheating. She said “Heck no!”. She started reeling off facts and figures regarding cheating nationwide. The one thing I understood was that as long as there are $$$ attached to grades, this stuff will continue...and only get worse.


19 posted on 05/27/2012 9:21:10 AM PDT by moovova (New requirements for President: Birth certificate AND a urine test.)
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To: moovova
Your wife's a smart cookie. Subsequent to the Georgia Report, the Atlanta Journal worked on a long series of stories on aberrations in testing nationwide.

I'll need to find the link, but I posted the main article and several of the sub-articles here on FR.

Test scores would jump for the grades that were relevant for Annual Yearly Progress funding marks under No Child Left Behind . . . then those same children would score poorly the next year or years . . . until their test scores mattered again for AYP benchmarks under NCLB.

Conservatives didn't like NCLB when it passed for a multitude of reasons. The "Annual Yearly Progress" portion of NCLB explains the cheating scandals. It doesn't excuse them, but it explains them.

NCLB was and is bad law.

20 posted on 05/27/2012 9:39:12 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: moovova
Here you go; an earlier article I posted about nationwide cheating due to AYP under NCLB:

Cheating our children: Suspicious school test scores across the nation

21 posted on 05/27/2012 9:42:11 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks...I’ll read it.

The first thing that caught my eye...“These findings are concerning,” U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said in an emailed statement...

Which leads to the question: How do you come down on cheating teachers nationwide without unhinging teacher unions? Answer: You don’t until after Jan/2012, when there’s a new Sec of Ed.


22 posted on 05/27/2012 10:24:07 AM PDT by moovova (New requirements for President: Birth certificate AND a urine test.)
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To: moovova
I'd also suggest some basic background on Annual Yearly Progress under the No Child Left Behind Act. In the Wikipedia summary, it's in the subsection titled "Provisions of the act."

That summary details what happens to a school that doesn't meet AYP. Imagine the pressure up, to administrators. Imagine how magnified the pressure is on the principals and especially on the teachers.

None of that - repeat, none of that - justifies cheating. It explains it.

23 posted on 05/27/2012 12:30:42 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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