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Why It Doesn’t Pay To Cooperate With Police
PersonalLiberty.com ^ | May 21 2012 | Bob Livingston

Posted on 05/28/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by Daffynition

Police officers are trained manipulators. They take classes to learn how to read people’s body language and how to ask open-ended and innocent-sounding questions in order to surreptitiously obtain information they can use against you.

They also have a knowledge of the laws that you don’t possess — and laws differ from State to State, and even from one jurisdiction in a State to another. Police have also been known to invent “laws,” place “evidence” that can be linked to you and twist your words into meaning something you did not intend.

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1 posted on 05/28/2012 7:23:55 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Cops would be even more dangerous if gifted and genius IQ people were invited on the force. As it is, they are like bumbling, amiable beagles, if they haven’t had a lousy day. The worst police can usually do is to arrest you, then it’s chucked into the hands of the judicial system, in which the true evil geniuses so often reside.


2 posted on 05/28/2012 7:30:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Daffynition
And exactly what type of agency would you want to replace your local police department with?

I'm glad they're going after criminals, rioters, thieves, rapists, mass murderers - and yeah, even those folks who think they can drive 60 mph in a school zone.

I am tired of paying police departments to babysit certain high crime areas - and strongly feel neighborhoods should pay for police protection based on usage. We don't 'share' a collective water bill - and there's no reason we should have to pay a 'shared' bill for police protection when some people use a lot more than others...

3 posted on 05/28/2012 7:31:16 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Daffynition
And exactly what type of agency would you want to replace your local police department with?

I'm glad they're going after criminals, rioters, thieves, rapists, mass murderers - and yeah, even those folks who think they can drive 60 mph in a school zone.

I am tired of paying police departments to babysit certain high crime areas - and strongly feel neighborhoods should pay for police protection based on usage. We don't 'share' a collective water bill - and there's no reason we should have to pay a 'shared' bill for police protection when some people use a lot more than others...

4 posted on 05/28/2012 7:31:50 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Daffynition

The mistake was “being” in DC.

Not all police are your enemy. I have known our local constable since childhood. I know several of the Sheriff’s Office personnel, and the County Judge and District Attorney are old family friends. I do not fear the police.

Now I have met individual officers who were exceptions to this. But not many.


5 posted on 05/28/2012 7:35:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: GOPJ
as a double poster, myself... don't you just hate that. :-P

6 posted on 05/28/2012 7:36:43 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: Daffynition
We could start from scratch, hire all new cops, revise the rules and regs. But in the end We still have the same problem: We gotta hire from the human race.

CC

7 posted on 05/28/2012 7:38:08 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: GOPJ
there's no reason we should have to pay a 'shared' bill for police protection when some people use a lot more than others...

Sure hope you never find out who's using ambulances for taxi service.

8 posted on 05/28/2012 7:40:19 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Daffynition

10 rules for dealing with the police: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmrbNLt7Om8&feature=my_favorites&list=FLp6_rmvu-V62le54hURdnRw

Ho not to get your butt kicked by the Police (Chris Rock — strong language): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=BFa&list=FLp6_rmvu-V62le54hURdnRw


9 posted on 05/28/2012 7:41:58 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: GOPJ

I understand your attitude. But there is another side to the coin.

I have been *harassed* by the police and accused of lying while on my own property (a good neighborhood BTW) because a low life gave my last name and address when arrested, then apparently jumped bail.

The brilliant Lakeland, FL police department was too stoopid to verify anything the man told them before cutting him loose. They sent multiple cars and officers to my home and treated me like sh*t. Looking back, I realize I was fortunate they didn’t break my door down and cuff me in my living room.

Did I feel safer knowing these (gun toting) clowns were “protecting” me? Duh.

Trust me, when they do this to you, it’s hard to be rah rah about idiots wearing uniforms and carrying firearms.


10 posted on 05/28/2012 7:43:11 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Watch those TV shows like Cops , Bait Car and P.O.V, you’ll see LOL


11 posted on 05/28/2012 7:43:33 AM PDT by molson209
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To: GOPJ

I reject this notion that if you criticize something you are morally obligated to present a fully formed and thought out alternative.

This is not a think tank. This is a forum for citizens to get stuff off their chest and share information.


12 posted on 05/28/2012 7:44:27 AM PDT by DManA
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To: molson209

All written by brilliant, if PC idiotic, writers. Not saying it never happens, but I believe the first prize for true evil genius ought to go to prosecutors’ offices (they’re the folks who make the twisted cases in the courts), and sometimes to cynical judges, but seldom to police and detectives.


13 posted on 05/28/2012 7:48:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Daffynition

Good advice, but the Diana Avera chick from the story is an idiot or a liar. You don’t confess to making meth to keep your grandkids out of temporary police custody.


14 posted on 05/28/2012 7:49:49 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Daffynition

Our police state is going out of control. Most have lost respect for your Constitutional rights and will use investigative methods that will distort what you do or say to get an arrest.


15 posted on 05/28/2012 7:50:20 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Daffynition

Good material here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=relmfu


16 posted on 05/28/2012 7:51:15 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: DManA

As an ex-cop, im not crazy about them and don’t associate with them. I was deputized as a us marshal. Major illegal shit happened. They get the bad guys, but not legally..


17 posted on 05/28/2012 7:51:36 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: skinkinthegrass

Yes. I’m usually more careful...


18 posted on 05/28/2012 7:53:39 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think you’re right. But it’s still a good idea to be very careful what you say to the police, because they’ll put it in their report and then the prosecutors will have more stuff to twist and distort.


19 posted on 05/28/2012 7:53:48 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MtBaldy

Thank you so much for the links.

Those *talks* are classic legend ...and ya knnow what? Using the info in them works. :)


20 posted on 05/28/2012 7:53:51 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

The number one thing that makes me not trust cops in any way if being questioned is that they are allowed by law to lie. I cooperate with law enforcement fairly often, but I would clam up if I ever thought for an instant that I was being asked questions where I could be a subject.


21 posted on 05/28/2012 7:54:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: molson209

“Watch those TV shows like Cops , Bait Car and P.O.V, you’ll see LOL”

You forgot “Investigation Discovery” and “Notorious”.

Those kinds of TV programs only reinforce my already-formed opinion that Big Brother’s thugs are nothing more than inept, incompetent, over-bearing, baton-wielding, gun-toting, power-hungry, power-wielding thugs, period.

If any policeman ever asks anything the best course is to refuse to answer until “I want a/my lawyer”.


22 posted on 05/28/2012 7:56:03 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: GOPJ

Some people have lived in a home for more than a decade and seen individuals move into the area that eventually necessitated greater police presence. In that situation, was it the individuals fault for living there and not having the means to pick up roots and move? Should they have to pay more for the threat that befell them simply because They were minding their own business and had the bad luck of poor neighbors moving in?

BTW, I don’t think the police are there to protect you - they are generally there to file paperwork and look into things (if you’re lucky) after the fact. If you find an officer that actually takes the “to Protect and Serve” motto to heart, then you have found the exception...

I’m not trying to argue with you, that’s not my intent.


23 posted on 05/28/2012 7:57:30 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Daffynition

As my defense attorney cousin has told me many times “the police officer is not necessarily your friend.”


24 posted on 05/28/2012 7:58:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Texas Fossil

>>Now I have met individual officers who were exceptions to this. But not many.<<

From personal experience, those *old school* cops we grew up with and respected are gone now, replaced by the most testosterone driven bunch of yahoos imaginable.

///lament


25 posted on 05/28/2012 7:58:40 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

We should also be forthright and *know* to segregate our dogs from them whenever possible. #prudence


26 posted on 05/28/2012 7:59:31 AM PDT by Dysart (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: DManA; GOPJ
This is a forum for citizens to get stuff off their chest and share information.

Wasn't that exactly what GOPJ was doing?

27 posted on 05/28/2012 8:01:57 AM PDT by 386wt (I signed on just to post this!)
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To: jurroppi1

>>they are generally there to file paperwork and look into things (if you’re lucky) after the fact. <<

Which is why I call them *janitors*....they do little/nothing to prevent crime and are there for the *clean-up* after one has been committed.


28 posted on 05/28/2012 8:05:05 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

“... those old school cops we grew up with...”

That is a major difference, Daffy. When I was a kid, there were several officers in our neighborhood. Regular, down to earth guys who did this as a job. They were no different than any other husband/Daddy in the neighborhood. Today, even the “look” is different. In my county/state.. the “look” is a shaved head. The uniforms are all black with black, leather boots (no more striped pants but more of a swat looking uniform). Granted... what today’s law enforcement deals with is a lot more complicated and rough (as compared to when I was a kid). However, the new “fear” look is intimidating.


29 posted on 05/28/2012 8:06:36 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Daffynition

I had one case where I was stopped in a drunk driver checkpoint. Being in full geek mode I was on my way home from studying on a saturday night. They shined a flashlight in my eyes and some rookie trainee kept basically accusing me of drinking.

After about 5 rounds of “so how much have you had to drink?” I finally broke down and confessed to having had a can of coke.

At this point the more senior guy who seemed to be the trainer said “hmm - a coke sounds pretty good to me”. Then he looked at the rookie and basically said “not this guy - better move to the next in line”. At which point they took my paperwork and more or less shoved it in my hand and said “get out of here”.

I was less than impressed.


30 posted on 05/28/2012 8:07:07 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Daffynition

when confronted by police... only 3 things to say..

Do you have a warrant?

No, you cannot come in or search...

Please leave now..

If you invite the police into your home, you have given them consent to search...

these are your lifesavers..


31 posted on 05/28/2012 8:08:32 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: Daffynition

Top 5 ways to avoid arrest:

1) Obey the law
2) Obey the law
3) Obey the law
4) Obey the law
5) Obey the law


32 posted on 05/28/2012 8:19:14 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: GOPJ
"And exactly what type of agency would you want to replace your local police department with? "

Legally and practically, the sheriff seems to be a better choice than a police dept., much less the HSI, etc.

http://www.ice.gov/about/offices/homeland-security-investigations/

33 posted on 05/28/2012 8:21:47 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“... the worst police can usually do is to arrest you...”

About ten years back, my siblings and I were selling my Mom’s home (after her passing). One offer was accepted by a drug cop. Long story short, after the settlement and he moved into the home.. he called my sibling and demanded ten thousand dollars for ants. Yes, ants. The home had been fully inspected and the ants were simply because the house had a great deal of trees around it. This was explained to him and rejected. Long story short, he showed up at my brother’s home and coerced the ten grand out of us. How? He made it very clear that he knew what his sons drove, the tags, where they went to school and the route they took to get there. He then said, “It would be a terrible thing if your kids were ever pulled over and they found drugs. It would ruin their lives”. The threat was as clear as the nose on your face.

Immediate family meeting and I was the only one to say, “We shouldn’t cave”. I felt that if we gave the ten grand, he would come back again and again. I was out-voted and we all gave enough money to cover the extortion. We still had neighbors in that area who told us afterwards he gloated when he purchased new appliances and a shed thanks to us. I don’t condemn my siblings especially the one who was protecting his kids. He knew that their lives would be ruined (two were up for scholarships). What really, REALLY jaded me was a few years after that incident, this same cop got a county award for heroism (apparently arrested someone with a lot of drugs). I still wonder if he didn’t plant them or have some of his friends plant them... guess I’ll never truly know.


34 posted on 05/28/2012 8:22:49 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: jurroppi1
BTW, I don’t think the police are there to protect you - they are generally there to file paperwork and look into things (if you’re lucky) after the fact. If you find an officer that actually takes the “to Protect and Serve” motto to heart, then you have found the exception...

Isn't this what a Security Guard does; Observe and Report?

35 posted on 05/28/2012 8:23:22 AM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Obeying the law doesn’t matter when interpreted by a moron with a gun and authority. FHP searched my car two weeks ago. Nothing found and my rights were violated. Nowhere to go... im ex-leo and still say f the police...


36 posted on 05/28/2012 8:23:31 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Top 5 ways to avoid arrest:

1) Obey the law

Tell that to George Zimmerman.

37 posted on 05/28/2012 8:33:33 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Celtic Conservative
We gotta hire from the human race.

Imagine hiring robots who accurately and evenly enforced every law...

38 posted on 05/28/2012 8:33:52 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1224 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: DManA
this notion that if you criticize something you are morally obligated to present a fully formed and thought out alternative.

The fancy term is "argument from silence fallacy" -- if no alternative or refutation is offered, the original statement must be true.

39 posted on 05/28/2012 8:35:36 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Fido969

Agreed. Politicians are tampering with justice, in GZ’s case.


40 posted on 05/28/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I’ll say it first.

Histroy has proven you wrong, just look upthread, and keep reading FR, there are countless situations showing otherwise.


41 posted on 05/28/2012 8:37:04 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Daffynition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik


42 posted on 05/28/2012 8:37:34 AM PDT by samtheman (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888480/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cicero
But it’s still a good idea to be very careful what you say to the police

I hit a deer once on a desolate stretch on OH 32, the Honorable James A. Rhodes Memorial Highway.

The cop asked my how fast I was going. I told him 65. He said, "You might not want to tell me that (the speed limit was 60.)"

43 posted on 05/28/2012 8:40:23 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: null and void
"Imagine hiring robots who accurately and evenly enforced every law... "

Imagine the Prosecutor's Office programming those robots.

44 posted on 05/28/2012 8:41:14 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: goseminoles
Obeying the law doesn’t matter when interpreted by a moron with a gun and authority. FHP searched my car two weeks ago. Nothing found and my rights were violated. Nowhere to go... im ex-leo and still say f the police...

On some of the reality tv shows I see this militant attitude by police. Not excusing it. I have experienced it, too.

However, you weren't arrested. Sorry you had an unpleasant experience.

When stopped, #1 is that I will not be in violation of any law (except possibly a traffic violation), will have my CCW permit and be carrying legally, and be exceedingly polite to the officer, regardless of his/her attitude. I would never bluntly say "you cannot search my car", or "do you have a warrant", but would say "No, I prefer you don't search my car, etc."

No way in hades I remove my CCW regardless of what the officer says. The officer will have to do that. :)

45 posted on 05/28/2012 8:44:44 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: Daffynition
Personally I hate all the bad cops and love all the good crops (the great majority). I guess I'm no good at generalizing.

Without law enforcement we would have total anarchy in very short order.

46 posted on 05/28/2012 8:44:59 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As empirical verification of your point (even if anecdotal), over the past decade the police in the Kansas town where I reside have become increasingly intrusive to the point of giving the feeling of being a wannabe police-state in a way not found anywhere else in the state. The force is also the most-well-educated police force in the state with a distressing number of officers holding masters degrees.


47 posted on 05/28/2012 8:48:17 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The Duke

“... without law enforcement we would have total anarchy”

Agreed. However, without checks on law enforcement... what would we have then?” A police state where every civilian’s rights are deemed unnecessary. So, yes... love the good and hate the bad.


48 posted on 05/28/2012 8:48:50 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: GOPJ
And exactly what type of agency would you want to replace your local police department with? I'm glad they're going after criminals, rioters, thieves, rapists, mass murderers - and yeah, even those folks who think they can drive 60 mph in a school zone.

How much of your local PO dept budget is devoted to going after criminals, rioters, thieves, rapists and mass murderers? It's the other activities that concern people. To answer your question, I would prefer drastically reducing the police forces and tell people they need to take care of themselves. If the police were so effective at doing the things you listed we wouldn't need so many. People, families and neighborhoods should be their own first line of defense. Our dependency on the police is propagated and then used against us

49 posted on 05/28/2012 8:49:03 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Ditto. The first thing I do is advise the officer of my weapon. Never reach for it.. it needs to be secured to have a conversation.


50 posted on 05/28/2012 8:51:24 AM PDT by goseminoles
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