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Polygamist who married twin sisters AND their cousin appears on This Morning
Daily Mail ^ | May 28, 2012 | Deborah Arthurs

Posted on 05/28/2012 2:46:46 PM PDT by Pinkbell

Joe Darger, from Salt Lake City, Utah, lives in a house with his three wives and their 24 children.

His polygamous marriage is illegal in 50 American states - and has resulted in him being excommunicated from the Mormon church.

But Joe, a fifth generation polygamist, believes his is the correct way - and says he wants to fight to have his plural marriage officially recognised by society.

The fundamentalist Mormon appeared on the breakfast television show alongside his three wives, 42-year-old twins Vicki and Valerie, and their 43-year-old cousin Alina.

Vicki and Alina have been married to Joe for 22 years after dating Joe simultaneously when they were just 18.

Vicki's twin sister Valerie was married to Joe 12 years ago after her own polygamous union - with a man who had six other wives - broke down.

And now, in an interview with Holly Willoughby and Philip Schofield, Joe and his wives, has defended their polygamous marriage as the 'oldest form of family'.

Answering Philip's question as to whether he hoped their plural union might one day be 'acceptable, mainstream, normal', Joe replied that while he never expects his polygamous marriage to be mainstream, he hopes one day it will be decriminalised.

'We want the same rights as anyone else would be afforded,' he said via live video link from Utah.

'Originally polygamy was part of the Mormon history, and that's what we still believe,' he says.

'Our story is about faith and family and freedom. In today's culture where family is being looked at, ours is one of the oldest forms of family out there.

'I don't know if we are looking to be accepted as mainstream, but certainly what we define as a family should be looked at as what society accepts as a family.'

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: amendment; civilrights; constitution; definitionofafamily; family; goodargument; goodargumentagainst; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; mormonism; polyamory; polygamy
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Keeping it all in the family. What a mess this is. These kids are all half siblings and half cousins. Crazy. They want their lifestyle accepted. If gay marriage is legalized, they have a good argument. It's not fair to redefine marriage in the name of "love" for one group and not another.
1 posted on 05/28/2012 2:46:57 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping!


2 posted on 05/28/2012 2:48:16 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Woo hoo! Another moderate candidate! Thanks GOP and voters!)
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To: Pinkbell

Spot on!


3 posted on 05/28/2012 2:50:58 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Pinkbell

What I would like to know is if any of the other ‘ wives” get welfare?
since they can’t be legally married to him they most likely qualify for all the benefits

the same thing happens when muslim men have more than one ‘ wife’ one is legal and the others rape our system


4 posted on 05/28/2012 2:51:43 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: Pinkbell

Here it goes. Once the definition of family is altered to accept one screaming group, anything and everything is fair game. VERY slippery slope.


5 posted on 05/28/2012 2:54:37 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Pinkbell

Don’t Muslims already do that?


6 posted on 05/28/2012 2:55:08 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Pinkbell

Not to mention men and women are born in approximately equal numbers. Polygamy ruins the chance for many men to have wives.


7 posted on 05/28/2012 2:56:31 PM PDT by Daralundy
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To: Pinkbell

The guy was born with the polygamy gene. That makes him like a homosexual. Maybe Obama can come out in support of polygamy, and allow it in the military.


8 posted on 05/28/2012 2:59:11 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Daralundy

True. I’ve read and seen in documentaries that in some of the big polygamous groups, the “excess” boys are tossed out because they aren’t needed. They’re called “the lost boys.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism)

If God intended polygamy, then the ratio of women to men would be much higher in order to give men multiple wives, but that is not so. This indicates God intended for marriage to be with one man and one woman.


9 posted on 05/28/2012 3:02:53 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Woo hoo! Another moderate candidate! Thanks GOP and voters!)
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To: Pinkbell
Must be hard on him to have to remember three birthdays and three anniversaries.
10 posted on 05/28/2012 3:05:42 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Pinkbell

That’s polyphobia!!!!!!/sarc


11 posted on 05/28/2012 3:05:55 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Army Air Corps

I’m speechless even though I saw this coming a mile away.


12 posted on 05/28/2012 3:06:23 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Daralundy

So does forced abortion/infanticide of female babies like in China.


13 posted on 05/28/2012 3:09:13 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Pinkbell

I can’t help but wonder if this article is a ‘round about way to get in a dig at Romney.


14 posted on 05/28/2012 3:12:49 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: JudyinCanada

f a woman can murder her baby in the womb because it is her body, why cant she marry a man who already has a wife.

Afterall they are consenting adults free to do whatever they want.


15 posted on 05/28/2012 3:14:40 PM PDT by winodog
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To: txhurl

Up next, consanguinity.


16 posted on 05/28/2012 3:15:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: basil

This is what the left is champing at the bit to throw at FUMR.

And it’s as perfectly legit for this guy to ask about his own marriage preferences to be recognized by government as for two gays, or three or four gays, or two guys and a goat etc to ask for a marriage certificate for their spousal combo.


17 posted on 05/28/2012 3:17:34 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Pinkbell

I imagine Obama’s view of polygamy is evolving. All this guy needs is a rainbow flag, and the far left will rally behind him - especially if his extra wives are on welfare.


18 posted on 05/28/2012 3:17:43 PM PDT by Pollster1 (“A boy becomes a man when a man is needed.” - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pinkbell

Wow - the wives are sorta hot.

I was expecting Jerry Springer guests.


19 posted on 05/28/2012 3:18:08 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: ReformationFan
Apparently, the term polyphobia already exists, but not for polygamy:

Medical Dictionary

polyphobia pol·y·pho·bi·a (pŏl'ĭ-fō'bē-ə)

n. An abnormal fear of many things; a condition marked by the presence of many phobias.

Maybe we can use the term "polygaphobia?" I know you said that in jest, but the truth is, you just know it's coming with our PC culture.

20 posted on 05/28/2012 3:18:24 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Woo hoo! Another moderate candidate! Thanks GOP and voters!)
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To: Pinkbell

Two trends make this inevitable in the US:

1. The increasing number of attempts at getting sharia law recognized as valid by the influx of moslems into the US. Since liberals seem to view anything demanded by moslems to be a valid cultural demand, we can expect to see calls for sharia to be answered in some states with acquiescence.

2. The declining secular economic prospects for men (thanks to a continual war against men by feminists and lap-dog men) will result in a fairly select group of very successful men who have the spine to tell society “kiss my posterior” and succeed wildly in material terms.

Women, whether they like to admit it or not, are attracted to successful men, and with many women now having higher income levels than at least 20 to 25% of males, will be increasingly attracted to the rapidly dwindling number of successful alpha males. You see this happening in the “hook up culture” on campuses now, with alpha males able to bed nearly anything they want, while young women hope that they could “catch” such a male and “reform him.” To said males, I suggest that they avoid marriage at all costs, since it is now heavily stacked against men.

This tendency is called “hypergamy” and while feminists like to claim that it is no longer the norm, the ugly truth is that it is biologically programmed into women, just as the tendency of men to select for women with attributes which indicate healthy child-bearing and rearing: hips of proper proportion and a nice set of breasts. Women are biologically programmed to select successful men to provide for their offspring.

If you think the above referenced article isn’t to your liking, you’d better get set to see many more infuriating cases coming down the road.


21 posted on 05/28/2012 3:20:49 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: JudyinCanada
Once the definition of family is altered to accept one screaming group, anything and everything is fair game. VERY slippery slope.

What lies at the bottom of the slippery slope will come to many as an utter surprise. There'll be great gnashing of teeth and shrieking, "Why didn't somebody tell us this could happen? Now, what the heck are we supposed to do?"

Climb back up the slippery slope, nitwit. Good luck.

22 posted on 05/28/2012 3:22:27 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Army Air Corps

But his wives say the situation suits them perfectly too. They confronted any feelings of jealousy early on ('of course there were moments we were jealous,' Alina admits), and now manage to live harmoniously.

Joe shares out his conjugal time equally between the three, spending a night in turn with each in their own bedrooms. Incredibly, Joe says he couldn't choose between the three. 'I'm in love with all of them,' he says. 'I don't think I could pick one over the other.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2151062/Polygamist-Joe-Darger-married-twin-sisters-AND-cousin-appears-This-Morning-defend-lifestyle.html#ixzz1wCodqXtO

---------------- And this is the polygamous marriages that *get along*. Imagine when the SRM starts running out the Warren Jeffs photos of locked-up fillies with 4 children each, at the age of 23.

23 posted on 05/28/2012 3:24:43 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: txhurl

True txhurl!


24 posted on 05/28/2012 3:29:41 PM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: txhurl

I think it’s a legitimate question to be asked of FUMR!


25 posted on 05/28/2012 3:37:07 PM PDT by basil (it's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Pinkbell

True family men are in short supply. These women want a family. Supply meet demand. We need their children. All of us.


26 posted on 05/28/2012 3:40:39 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Tzimisce

The gals may be “hot” but I certainly don’t think he is. Maybe he has what we used to refer to as “hidden assets” LOL!


27 posted on 05/28/2012 3:42:01 PM PDT by basil (it's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Pinkbell
Those kids have better parents than did Trayvon.

28 posted on 05/28/2012 3:43:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: Pinkbell

“If gay marriage is legalized, they have a good argument. It’s not fair to redefine marriage in the name of “love” for one group and not another.”

Yep. We can all wait for bestiality and pedophilia to come after that. Necrophelia can’t be far behind either.


29 posted on 05/28/2012 3:44:50 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: NVDave

Agreed. I would also add

3) The homosexualization of our culture. Once gender is no longer a requirement for marriage in the eyes of the law, it’s hypocritical for the same libs who pushed it to say number must be a requirement.


30 posted on 05/28/2012 3:49:39 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: freeangel

What also won’t be far behind is Muslim men petitioning Immigration to let all four of their wives in. You bring in four wives and 32 children, the welfare, food stamps and other benefits they covet... imagine the consequences.

I’m real curious how much taxpayer benefit this guy and 24 kids are getting.


31 posted on 05/28/2012 3:55:12 PM PDT by txhurl (AB would vote for Scott Walker.)
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To: Pinkbell
If God intended polygamy, then the ratio of women to men would be much higher in order to give men multiple wives, but that is not so. This indicates God intended for marriage to be with one man and one woman.

The traditional way of dealing with this situation, though not necessarily always conciously, is by warfare.

The powerful men in a polygamous society, who themselves all have multiple wives, wage war on adjacent societies, using mostly the excess single men as sword or cannon fodder.

Each one of these guys that dies reduces the competition for females and the associated stress on society, and of course some of them capture their own wives from the enemy.

32 posted on 05/28/2012 3:56:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Pinkbell
His polygamous marriage is illegal in 50 American states

What about the other 7?

33 posted on 05/28/2012 4:19:28 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: basil

Obama and Axelrod thank you from the bottom of their hearts


34 posted on 05/28/2012 4:24:33 PM PDT by NE Cons (Huge Palin Fan. Was a Hard-Core Perry supporter. Now Hard-Core ABO)
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To: Pinkbell

Polygamy is a solution to a societal problem when many men are lost to violent conflict, and/or there are large numbers of “un-marryable” men.

While we’re living through a period of time the past 50 years or so in the developed world where these are not tremendous problems, human history tells us unequivocally that our current state is not the norm.

In times of war and scoundrels where there is no polygamy and women have few economic options, you’re basically telling the women to become prostitutes to survive.

To say that polygamy is intrinsically wrong or unfair to women is just not true.


35 posted on 05/28/2012 4:30:55 PM PDT by risen_feenix
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To: Pinkbell

Like Islam, Mormon polygamy was established to enable men to get all the sex they want- and brainless women fall for it.

Once I happened upon ‘Sister Wives’ on TLC when the husband and ‘wives’ were answering questions from viewers. Someone asked why couldn’t wives have more than one husband. The husband said he couldn’t think of anything more vulgar.
?????

LOL


36 posted on 05/28/2012 4:37:44 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Pinkbell

California has now legalized same sex “marriage”. As part of the state’s approval, they insist that school children be indoctrinated that same sex “marriage” is just as normal as traditional marriage.

Advocates of same sex marriage are smug in their seizure of the state to enforce their secular morality.

Curiously, when liberal advocates of gay marriage are asked if their policy also would allow polygamy or polyandry , they recoil in horror and insist that it does not. However, logic demands that it does.

I would ask how same-sex parents are going to react in the future when Utah public schools insist on indoctrinating the children that LDS-related polygamy is just as “normal” as same-sex “marriage”. The fact that this will be an issue will show yet again that gay “marriage” is not about marriage at all, it is about forcing the rest of us to approve of repugnant sexual immorality, something that LDS polygamists have never demanded.


37 posted on 05/28/2012 4:41:34 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

I also observe that advocates of same-sex marriage and those who cheer them on in the media are totally silent on the issue of consanguineous marriage, that is when people who are genetically close (near kin) marry. This does not occur very often in the WASP demographic in the US, however Wikipedia reports: “It is estimated that 55% of marriages between Mirpuri (Kashmiri) Pakistani Muslim immigrants in the United Kingdom are between first cousins,[6][7][8] where “preferential patrilateral parallel cousin marriage” (where a boy marries his father’s brother’s daughter) is often favored.” (from wikipedia entry on Consanguinity).

It appears that when LDS-related polygamists have consanguinity it is just one more repulisive attribute that amplifes the revulsion about plural marriage, but when faithful Muslims practice it, it is not worth even a passing mention.


38 posted on 05/28/2012 4:48:49 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Pinkbell
Okay...how is different than the Mexican fellow the an American family and another family south of the border?

Don't understand the difference....

Don't give me the B/S that this does not exist...just ask (almost) any elementary school teacher in California...

39 posted on 05/28/2012 4:49:42 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: txhurl

But his wives say the situation suits them perfectly too
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Hey!!!
This would be a great idea for a TV show.
Of course the husband would have to be a Rich guy with Home Depot type stores and they would probably have him running for office as a Republican and all the Liberals would damn his life style while secretly living it...

What?

They did?

Sorry, disregard.


40 posted on 05/28/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 Let's start from scratch by voting ALL incumbents out.)
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To: Pinkbell
It's all about love, so why should the government say their love is wro-o-o-ong??
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41 posted on 05/28/2012 4:54:04 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: txhurl

“two guys and a goat”


You just leaked the title of ABC’s new hit show, slotted for family hour!


42 posted on 05/28/2012 4:54:04 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: txhurl
"But his wives say the situation suits them perfectly too. They confronted any feelings of jealousy early on ('of course there were moments we were jealous,' Alina admits), and now manage to live harmoniously."

Yeah, right. Ever watch "Sister Wives?" They rattle on about how wonderful the lifestyle is, how it makes you "better", and yet they're constantly jealous, and one wife is on anti-depressants.

Plus they support sodomite marriage.

43 posted on 05/28/2012 4:57:48 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: pallis

And polyandry too.

We’re all goin’ to Hell, boys! As a society anyway.


44 posted on 05/28/2012 5:04:41 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: meatloaf

A Muslim once argued with me that polygamy in Islam is superior to that in Mormonism because the man must be able to support all wives equally, whereas Mormonism sticks a lot of them on welfare.


45 posted on 05/28/2012 5:27:15 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

As soon as the Democrats figure that out, they’ll be all for polygamy. More folks on welfare, more Democratic voters, more power to Democratic politicians.


46 posted on 05/28/2012 5:32:40 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: NVDave

The only difference between several women sharing on husband and the baby-daddy culture of some groups is that this man is applying the label wife, looks faithful to those he’s married, and focusing support and attention on the one’s he’s made instead of hunting for the next lay without bothering to support them.
Polygamy is worse than monogamy, but it is better than no family structure at all - which single women with multiple children by baby-daddies can’t have unless we devolve to matrilineal cultures.


47 posted on 05/28/2012 5:33:42 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: theBuckwheat

Exactly. The homosexualists’ consciences are convicting them so they’re trying to criminalize all criticism of same sex acts so they’ll “feel better about themselves.”


48 posted on 05/28/2012 5:36:55 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Pinkbell
If God intended polygamy, then the ratio of women to men would be much higher in order to give men multiple wives, but that is not so. This indicates God intended for marriage to be with one man and one woman

You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally!
Where's it written that polygamy must only involve multiple wives?

Imagine multiple husbands...Yeah, that's the ticket!
Oh! How creative can we get!! Why should we limit ourselves? We haven't even started with barnyard animals, let alone feral beasts.

49 posted on 05/28/2012 5:38:25 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Pinkbell

Pinkbell - I’m taking a bit of a break from FR - checking pings and freepmail - just too busy right now and just needed a bit of time off.

But keep pinging me so I stay in the loop and I will no doubt be “back on the job” in a bit.


50 posted on 05/28/2012 5:41:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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