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Holder to brief black pastors on campaign 2012
The Washington Examiner ^ | May 29, 2012 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 05/29/2012 12:45:38 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election -- which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama's campaign.

"We will have representatives from nine denominations who actually pastor somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 million people, and we're going to first of all equip them with the information they need to know about what they can say and what they cannot say in the church that would violate their 501c3 status with the IRS," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., told MSNBC today.

"In fact, we're going to have the IRS administrator there, we're going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we're going to have the lawyers' organization from around the country, the ACLU -- all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," he noted.

(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2012; blackchurch; blackvote; holder

1 posted on 05/29/2012 12:45:45 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Wouldn’t it be quicker to simply phone them and tell them “We will prosecute NOTHING you do, including physical acts of violence, murder, fraud, anything.”


2 posted on 05/29/2012 12:49:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Wanna bet there isn't anything at all these dudes cannot say - also, betting they can "pass the plate" for candidates of their "choice."

Hope "The Hutch" is one of those black pastors attending to get his "marchin' orders" from Holder.

3 posted on 05/29/2012 12:49:48 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Lazamataz

Well, this article proves that they won’t be prosecuted for racism.

Where are all the civility police crying out for the separation of church and state?


4 posted on 05/29/2012 12:54:01 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Imagine if John Ashcroft did the same with conservative white pastors.


5 posted on 05/29/2012 12:54:42 PM PDT by Freestate316
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The first lady is correct, racism does still exist. This is a good example of it.


6 posted on 05/29/2012 12:57:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Shouldn’t these pastor’s churches have their not-tax status revoked?


7 posted on 05/29/2012 12:58:13 PM PDT by jrg
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To: Free ThinkerNY

WTH

FUBO

FUEH


8 posted on 05/29/2012 12:58:43 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Holder. Don’t you have some guns to run?


9 posted on 05/29/2012 1:02:43 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=163395,00.html


10 posted on 05/29/2012 1:02:50 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Told you there was no separation of Church and State
11 posted on 05/29/2012 1:02:59 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Collusion? If it is not illegal, it is bad form.

What would DoJ have things to do with pastors? And why only black ones at that? Sending drones after them?

New meaning to the Lady Justice being blind.


12 posted on 05/29/2012 1:03:23 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
What they can do: Criticize whites, Republicans, Conservatives, the TEA party, Rush, Bush and the Vatican.
What they can't do: Criticize blacks (especially the won), Democrats, abortions, birth control, social programs, Islam, black-on-black crimes, fatherless families etc.

13 posted on 05/29/2012 1:03:45 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Separation of church and state" only applies to non-Eric Holder's people.
14 posted on 05/29/2012 1:05:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why are taxpayers funding a “how to make sure Obama gets elected”, seminar? Also, why is the DOJ and IRS teaching such a course? Too bad Congress is so feckless or they might actually be following my line of questioning.
15 posted on 05/29/2012 1:08:34 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A whole bunch of white churches need to invite Holder to come and give them this same info. And then sue when he does not show (14th. Amendment)


16 posted on 05/29/2012 1:09:11 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

” Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election — which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama’s campaign.”

R A C I S M run amok!!


17 posted on 05/29/2012 1:13:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yassuh, Massuh Holder. We hear and will obey.


18 posted on 05/29/2012 1:17:18 PM PDT by Huskrrrr ( the will)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

vomitous


19 posted on 05/29/2012 1:17:35 PM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: Freestate316; Free ThinkerNY; RushIsMyTeddyBear; Buckeye McFrog; Brown Deer; melancholy
Imagine if John Ashcroft did the same with conservative white pastors.

From the excerpt:

""In fact, we're going to have the IRS administrator there, we're going to have the Attorney General Eric Holder there, we're going to have the lawyers' organization from around the country, the ACLU -- all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," he noted."
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Is there any audio/video of this Cleaver interview with MSNBC?

Atty General Holder and the IRS administrator---"all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do," ?!!!

If the Atty General of the United States and the IRS administer are privately-dispensing special information to a special few ministers, ALL ministers need to be included in the conference.

In fact, the meeting should be publicly accessible to ALL citizens of the USA.

20 posted on 05/29/2012 1:17:59 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
If I had seen your post before I posted #20, I would have pinged you. Is Cleaver talking off the reservation? or was he chosen to let loose a trial balloon guaranteed to suck the air out of "air time." ?

Cleaver: describing voter ID laws as a form of Jim Crow-style "poll tax" on seniors and black voters.

Furthermore...black ministers are the only ministers who, apparently, need to guide seniors in their "theological responsibility to participate in the political process, at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition," he [Cleaver] said.

21 posted on 05/29/2012 1:29:47 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

WHy don’t black preachers just preach the Word of God in their Sunday sermons like they are supposed to? Are churches in the black communities now campaign rallies for BO. I would be disgusted and mad if I went to church on Sunday to hear a sermon about the Bible, Jesus and how to apply the sermon topic to my life and had to hear my preacher telling me how to vote. Why on earth is the corrupt, sinful attorney general getting involved in this campaigning? Does he have some kind of position with the BO reelection team? This whole thing just reeks.


22 posted on 05/29/2012 1:33:01 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Attorney General Eric Holder, the IRS, and the liberal lawyers at the ACLU will brief several hundred pastors in the African American community on how to participate in the presidential election -- which the Congressional Black Caucus chair expects will help President Obama's campaign.

And naturally, they'll extend the same courtesy to the LDS church should Romney gain the GOP nomination. /S

23 posted on 05/29/2012 1:35:55 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: thouworm

I think this is it. Copy it before it goes ‘poof’.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/47599812/


24 posted on 05/29/2012 1:37:42 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

An act of blatant racism.


25 posted on 05/29/2012 1:42:28 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: loboinok

mark


26 posted on 05/29/2012 1:44:43 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m sure Holder will also be briefing the Black Panthers.


27 posted on 05/29/2012 1:46:30 PM PDT by johnnycr
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Holder issuing the cotton-pickin orders for the democratic party slave crews.


28 posted on 05/29/2012 1:47:39 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Something has a bad odor there.


29 posted on 05/29/2012 1:48:13 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
"separation of church and state" is a tenant of the Marxist faith....except when it isn't.

"St. Paul pastor who backs gay marriage turns to Internet to keep church open"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2888876/posts

30 posted on 05/29/2012 1:55:54 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: thouworm

” Atty General Holder and the IRS administrator-—”all giving ministers guidance about what they can and cannot do,” ?!!!

If the Atty General of the United States and the IRS administer are privately-dispensing special information to a special few ministers, ALL ministers need to be included in the conference.

In fact, the meeting should be publicly accessible to ALL citizens of the USA. “

This ILLEGAL travesty will never make the network news.


31 posted on 05/29/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Okra's boyfriend:
32 posted on 05/29/2012 2:02:33 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: All

Will the Romney Campaign, a high ranking government official from the “Justice” Department, and the IRS, ALSO be SPECIFICALLY briefing WHITE ministers on how they can help out the Republican Presidential efforts.

Nothing new, but the arrogant black racism is out in the open, and clearly deployed without the least bit of shame.


33 posted on 05/29/2012 2:03:17 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“This ILLEGAL travesty will never make the network news.”

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And the cowardly, micron-balled Republicans won’t do a damn thing about it, either.


34 posted on 05/29/2012 2:05:12 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Gunrunning criminal: and racist mouthpiece:
35 posted on 05/29/2012 2:07:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There is no low these people will not sink to. It doesn’t bother me so much to see people do this, we know there is evil everywhere. What bothers me is Obama still garners 40%+ people supporting him, giving validity to the USA being on the path to hell.
I pray for this country. I pray that common sense may some day become more common. I pray that those who’s paths are evil will turn and become righteous.


36 posted on 05/29/2012 2:11:38 PM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: EyeGuy

” And the cowardly, micron-balled Republicans won’t do a damn thing about it, either.”

” micron-balled Republicans “

Perfect..


37 posted on 05/29/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Thanks!

Video starts off with talking head asking, "How does Pres Obama get to 270 electoral votes.".....and combat the recent rise in voter ID laws?

The "summit" (with several hundred ministers in attendance) to be held by the Congressional Black Caucus is TOMORROW!

Partial TRANSCRIPT FROM THE VIDEO (see post 24 for the video link): Cleaver (an ordained minister):

"We will have representatives from 9 denominations who actually pastor somewhere in the neighborhood of about 10 million people. And we are going to, FIRST OF ALL, equip them with the information they need to know about what they can say and what they cannot say in the church that would violate that 501c3 status with the IRS.

I"n fact we are going to have the IRS administrator there; we are going to have the Atty Gen Eric Holder there; we are going to have the lawyers organization from around the country, the ACLU, BUT also we are going to talk to them about the draconian laws that have propped up around the country as a result of the 17% increase in African-American votes...."

Voter ID laws a "Poll tax for seniors"
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NO mention that I heard in the interview that this is to be a summit of exclusively black ministers, so I am nearly certain that there has been an appropriate number of white liberal ministers invited (i.e., the Rick Warren types, the Jim Wallis liberation theology types, etc---you know...the progressive/Marxist/globalist ministers that mask a stateist, socialist agenda under the guise of orthodox Christian doctrine but deny the unique and exclusive claims of Jesus Christ---and thus are not Christians at all).

Since the video said this "summit" is TOMORROW, I now suspect that this is a bit of a set-up and that white ministers will be appropriately present. We shall see.

Nevertheless, it goes without saying that whenever the Atty General of the USA and the IRS administrator speak definitively (in their official capacity) on the subject of what they [ministers and Christians...and rabbis, and imans, for that matter] can say and what they cannot say in the church/501c3 religious entity that would violate their 501c3 status with the IRS, such a "summit" warrants that it be heard by ALL citizens.

38 posted on 05/29/2012 2:44:53 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This makes no difference since the Kenyan will get 114% of the black vote.


39 posted on 05/29/2012 3:33:12 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

OMG!! Do they ONLY speak to BLACKS now??? DISGUSTING!<P. If my Priest started in on a political diatribe (other than pro-life which ISN’T political, just EVIL if you aren’t) , I would walk out.


40 posted on 05/29/2012 3:41:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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