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Escape From New York? High-Taxing Empire State Loses 3.4 Million Residents in 10 Years
Cybercast News Service ^ | May 29, 2012 | Elizabeth Harrington

Posted on 05/29/2012 3:26:00 PM PDT by Olog-hai

New York State accounted for the biggest migration exodus of any state in the nation between 2000 and 2010, with 3.4 million residents leaving over that period, according to the Tax Foundation.

Over that decade the state gained 2.1 million, so net migration amounted to 1.3 million, representing a loss of $45.6 billion in income.

Where are they escaping to? The Tax Foundation found that more than 600,000 New York residents moved to Florida over the decade – opting perhaps for the Sunshine State’s more lenient tax system – taking nearly $20 billion in adjusted growth income with them.

Over that same time period, 208,794 Pennsylvanians moved to Florida, taking $8 billion in income.

“Many of these New York and Pennsylvania residents no doubt moved to Florida for the warm weather,” says the foundation, a nonpartisan research group. “[B]ut many more may have moved there because the state does not have an individual income tax, an estate tax, nor an inheritance tax.”

The Tax Foundation has created a “migration calculator” based on data from the Internal Revenue Service, tabulating the number of individuals moving between states each year, and income affected by the shifts.

The calculator shows that 612,520 people renounced their citizenship in New York State and moved to Florida in the 10-year period, taking with them $19.7 billion in adjusted growth income.

Between 2009 and 2010 alone, 40,195 New York residents moved to Florida, taking $1.3 billion in income. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; US: New York
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1 posted on 05/29/2012 3:26:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Those leaving have been the makers and the ones moving in are the takers, you figure out where it will end.


2 posted on 05/29/2012 3:30:19 PM PDT by ully2
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To: Olog-hai

The greater irony is that (I believe) many of those going to Florida are retired NY public employees taking their tax-payer funded pensions with them.


3 posted on 05/29/2012 3:33:42 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

I am one of them, though I left 12 years ago, not within the last 10. I am relatively intelligent, and a highly skilled computer developer, and I left on a combination of taxes, bad gun laws, and the election of Hillary Clinton to the Senate.


4 posted on 05/29/2012 3:34:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: ully2

Atlas sure does shrug, doesn’t he?


5 posted on 05/29/2012 3:35:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Olog-hai

Not to worry, we have jaded fools coming from all around the country, not to mention the world to live and work here, so I’d assume our population for the boroughs doesn’t fluctuate much.


6 posted on 05/29/2012 3:46:02 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: Olog-hai

Count me exiting too.
Soon the state will just have the poor and union peoiple left.

Just another small liberal NE state.

I love Texas.


7 posted on 05/29/2012 3:51:48 PM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: Olog-hai

NY is one of those states that has a “natural” loss of retirees to warmer locations - particularly Florida - which, unavoidable in some ways and to some extent, should have made NY state politicians MORE ambitious, NOT LESS, towards creating job-creating tax and regulatory environment.

Instead, while it retains fewer retirees than many states, it (the politicians) work against private industry creating jobs. Kinda like an economic suicide pact.


8 posted on 05/29/2012 3:54:51 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Lazamataz
I am one of them, though I left 12 years ago...

Stop the presses!
Laz is a...Yankee?

Say it ain't so!

9 posted on 05/29/2012 3:55:14 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Olog-hai

For immigrants to FL, once you cross the border on I-75 or I-95, continue south for several hours at least.

Avoid the panhandle at all costs.


10 posted on 05/29/2012 4:00:54 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: ully2
Those leaving have been the makers and the ones moving in are the takers, you figure out where it will end.

That's absolutely true. It's the people who want to work and couldn't who have left. And, though I don't have any statistics to back it up, I suspect the New York diaspora is more Republican than Democrat which explains why NYS politics trend ever-leftward.

Now, there are still a lot of us struggling to make a productive living and keeping our little towns and villages alive. But it's tough. Every other person seems to be on food stamps, welfare, disability, and/or WIC these days.

And, no. I don't want to leave. I love it here. Upstate New York is beautiful and it's home. Will just have to tough it out and send reports from behind enemy lines as needed.

11 posted on 05/29/2012 4:03:49 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Olog-hai

What do you mean people leaving NY! I was there two weeks ago and the place was packed!

Oh wait, they were all tourists like me! Back home now. I did meet a few NY residents who are preparing to leave and move South.


12 posted on 05/29/2012 4:04:58 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: Olog-hai

Where is everyone running away from today?

Better yet, where are they running to this week?

Let me guess, Miami?

Houston?

Arkansas?

LOL!


13 posted on 05/29/2012 4:08:09 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ully2
actually, the ones moving have been spending plenty of money, driving up rents and propping up real estate and making it feasible to turn Wall Street into "FiDi", and being otherwise obnoxious and arrogant.

but when the euro goes under par the gravy train will be over, imho. that one, at least.

14 posted on 05/29/2012 4:08:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Olog-hai

I wouldn’t move to Florida even if my life depended on it.

I despise heat.

When I was working I told my co-workers I was retiring to International Falls,MN.

I stayed in MA.


15 posted on 05/29/2012 4:12:27 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Olog-hai

FWIW, I’d bet that CA really has more emigration — it’s just that so many more illegals can just walk across the border into CA than into NY that the difference doesn’t seem as great.


16 posted on 05/29/2012 4:15:22 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Olog-hai; Lazamataz

Left the Rochester Gulag of the Peoples Republic of NY in 78 to join the military

Ended up in TX

Went back in the 80s for 4 years. Just reminded me of the reasons I left in the first place.

Got stationed back in TX after a tour in the UK. Never turned back. When I retired in 99, some people asked me if I was going back.

I told them that I had just spent over 20 years in an organization that was meant to fight communists. Why would I want to go to a communist state?

Many did not get it


17 posted on 05/29/2012 4:16:55 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Lazamataz

Left Massachusetts. Taxes, Traffic, Weather, Gay Marriage, Gun Laws...

Those that actually DO SOMETHING about their situation are the real Intelligentsia\Cognescenti.

Those that ignore reality are like the frog in the heated pot. Like those who failed to act, and became a Holocaust statistic...


18 posted on 05/29/2012 4:17:17 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Olog-hai
Over that decade the state [New York] gained 2.1 million

Why?

19 posted on 05/29/2012 4:30:54 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Jacquerie

” Avoid the panhandle at all costs.”

Who the hell wants to live south of Tampa/Orlando??


20 posted on 05/29/2012 4:39:22 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Olog-hai
It's not science fiction any more, it's a documentary.


21 posted on 05/29/2012 4:42:22 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: stormhill

Yankee by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.

Can’t help where you are born, but you can help where you move. :)


22 posted on 05/29/2012 4:50:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: upchuck

Immigration is propping up NYC. I think it’s too bad that NYC is way too expensive...I would totally had loved living there.


23 posted on 05/29/2012 4:55:39 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a trap. New York is only trying to get rid of some of its population. Don’t they know that the other side of the Hudson is only a gigantic mural? That scene is fake! And that if they cross it, they’ll only fall off of the edge of the world into nothingness?

;-)


24 posted on 05/29/2012 4:56:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Olog-hai

We people outside of New York are fake, too, BTW. We’re fictitious characters created by computers for the Internet and don’t exist as people.

I’m a computer-constructed redneck, previously designed to scare New Yorkers away from any thought of trying to cross that river. Go figure. ;-)


25 posted on 05/29/2012 4:59:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: goseminoles

Not me.


26 posted on 05/29/2012 5:10:40 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Olog-hai

Unfortunately they take their politics with them. The same is happening here in Arizona. We get all the California refugees who are now trying to californicate Arizona.


27 posted on 05/29/2012 5:20:44 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Yeah. It’s the warm weather. LOL.


28 posted on 05/29/2012 5:31:02 PM PDT by Brownie63
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To: pfflier

They do that here in Nevada as well.. mostly its Californians trying to change this town I live in. That said, we DO fight back and do not allow it.

Having grown up in NYC and living in CA for 8 years, I was happy to embrace freedom, some move here from CA and are destined to create another CA in Nevada however lol


29 posted on 05/29/2012 5:45:23 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Olog-hai

Incomplete message - they lost 3.4 million residents of above average income. How many ways do you spell Atlas Shrugged?

Of course many moved to warmer climes for retirement but the state hasn’t helped itself by staying in the 1930s.


30 posted on 05/29/2012 6:15:32 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Spktyr

That’s a funny movie to watch now, since New York City in the film was more free than the little nanny-state they have now. Modern NYC, with their no-smoking, no-trans fat, no-salt laws is more like the Federal government in Escape from LA.


31 posted on 05/29/2012 6:19:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Mears
I despise heat.

I agree. I also like to see changes in the seasons.

32 posted on 05/29/2012 7:06:08 PM PDT by OldPossum (I)
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To: Olog-hai

What took them so long, I left in “72... for Texas.. I have never looked back...


33 posted on 05/29/2012 8:52:00 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: eXe

Good for you guys. I guess california has politically polluted Oregon and Washington too.


34 posted on 05/29/2012 9:05:45 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: bestintxas

ah yes, turning the state of N.Y. into Detroit...


35 posted on 05/29/2012 9:59:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Immigration is propping up NYC. I think it’s too bad that NYC is way too expensive...I would totally had loved living there.”

You’re right; that is why Commissar Bloomberg wants NYC to be a “sanctuary city”. As the Americans flee, they are being replaced by foreigners; unfortunaley the illegal ones don’t count and NY (like NJ, for the same reason) lost a piece of the electoral pie.


36 posted on 05/30/2012 3:19:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Olog-hai
taking nearly $20 billion in adjusted growth income with them.

I've heard of Adjusted gross income but what is Adjusted growth income - is she writing with a lithsp?

37 posted on 05/30/2012 7:03:37 AM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"What do you mean people leaving NY! I was there two weeks ago and the place was packed!"

As the great New Yorker, Yogi Berra once said, "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

38 posted on 05/30/2012 7:10:26 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PGR88
The greater irony is that (I believe) many of those going to Florida are retired NY public employees taking their tax-payer funded pensions with them

This is what frightens me more than anything. fifty or sixty years ago all of northern New England was strongly Conservative. Then, when their policies made MA, RI, CT, NY and NJ (Bosyork) as it has come to be known)unlivable they moved to areas that were not screwed up by what they had been voting in for years. At this point they start voting the same way and have screwed up where they moved.

Perhaps we need a voting probation period where if someone moves to a normal area (say Texas)their neighbors would interview them to see if they understand why things work the way they do and why things were stinko where they came from. Then they will be allowed to "test vote." After some years of learning they would then be able to vote for real.




Or, we could set up border crossings to keep the pink Volvos and Obama bumper stickers out like East Germany kept the Trabants in.

39 posted on 05/30/2012 7:27:59 AM PDT by Gordon Pym (2+2=4)
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To: Olog-hai

if one gets a state pension from NYS, which is not taxed in NYS, does one loose that tax benefit if they move their residence to another state?...just curious...lots of people getting fat pensions from NY..


40 posted on 05/30/2012 9:40:58 AM PDT by cherry
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To: pfflier
Unfortunately they take their politics with them. The same is happening here in Arizona. We get all the California refugees who are now trying to californicate Arizona.

That refrain is too common on this forum. It's most likely false. It may be true for some of them, but not for the majority. If your political situation has been moving leftwards, it's more likely that it's homegrown.

Michael Barone: Echo-Chamber Politics

The rest of us have increasingly sought out comfortable cocoons, too. Journalist Bill Bishop, who lives in an Austin, Texas, neighborhood whose politics resemble Kael’s, started looking at national data.

It inspired him to write his 2009 book The Big Sort, which describes how Americans since the 1970s have increasingly sorted themselves out, moving to places where almost everybody shares their cultural orientation and political preference — and the others keep quiet about theirs.

Thus professionals with a choice of where to make their livings head for the San Francisco Bay Area if they’re liberal and for the Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex (they really do call it that) if they’re conservative. Over the years the Bay Area becomes more liberal and the Metroplex more conservative.


41 posted on 05/30/2012 1:23:38 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
OK then why is Arizona considered up for grabs as a blue state turnover when:

Hispanic immigration is down (they are all going to California) and

California migration to Arizona is up, particularly in hourly and manufacturing sectors?

The area they are moving to in particular is Tucson, home of Red Raul Grijalva. According to your own reference "...moving to places where almost everybody shares their cultural orientation and political preference ."

In the last congressional election grijalva lost the non-Tucson metro area vote by a ratio of 60-40% But, he won re-election by about 3% because the Tucson metro area overrode the rest of his district.

42 posted on 05/30/2012 2:32:27 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: BfloGuy

well I loved upstate when I lived there...still visit when I can...its too bad what is happening....


43 posted on 05/30/2012 2:54:34 PM PDT by cherry
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To: pfflier
OK then why is Arizona considered up for grabs as a blue state turnover when:...

That's a head fake from Obama. Didn't the anti-illegal alien law poll at about 70 % favorability? I'm sure Arizonans really appreciate Fast & Furious too.

44 posted on 05/30/2012 3:21:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
I tend to agree that the dims are smoking the giggle weed if they think Arizona is going blue next election.

The state is hugely in favor of SB 1070 and the nation in general is very positive about the concept.

The feds have ceeded parts of southern Arizona to the cartels I think this happened before Fast and Furious.

45 posted on 05/30/2012 4:04:52 PM PDT by pfflier
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