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Missouri GOP Senate candidate favors 17th Amendment repeal
MissouriWatchdog.org ^ | May 29, 2012 | Johnny Kampis

Posted on 05/29/2012 7:37:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ST. LOUIS — U.S. Rep. Todd Akin, R-Wildwood, a candidate for U.S. Senate from Missouri, provided a new twist on a recent argument when he said during a Friday debate he would favor repealing the 17th Amendment.

That 1913 addendum to the U.S. Constitution allows state voters to elect U.S. senators rather than having state legislatures appoint them.

“I’m very concerned about states’ rights, and if I were to lean one way or the other it would be leaning going back to repeal,” Akin said during a debate sponsored by Springfield television station KY3.

The repeal of the 17th Amendment and elimination of other laws that move power from states to the federal government are issues advocated by the tea party movement and other far-right conservatives.

The issue came to the national forefront in 2010, with some Republicans advocating a Repeal Amendment to give state legislatures more power. Some Virginia GOP Senate candidates said they were not interested in eliminating the 17th Amendment during a recent debate in Roanoke.

Calling himself a “strong conservative,” Akin said he has “a very serious concern about erosion of states’ rights and reversing this decision might pull that balance back.”

Akin’s two main rivals in the GOP race — John Brunner and Sarah Steelman — said that while they agreed too much power has migrated to the federal government, they were in favor of keeping the 17th Amendment in place.

Supporters say the amendment reduces corruption by reducing the influence of state legislators and gives more power to the public. Opponents say allowing legislatures to pick senators would make them more accountable to their states and reduce the number of unfunded mandates handed down by Congress.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; johnbrunner; repeal; sarahsteelman; states; statesrights; toddakin

1 posted on 05/29/2012 7:38:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Geez — for the umpteenth time: only people have rights; State Governments have powers not specfically reserved to the Federal Government AND those powers are derived from the consent of the governed.


2 posted on 05/29/2012 7:43:40 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is necessary to return the power to the States and the People...


3 posted on 05/29/2012 7:45:24 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: Rumplemeyer

Concur, and the sooner the better.

How on Earth does one educate the masses on this when it will be portrayed as “undemocratic?”


4 posted on 05/29/2012 7:48:48 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Personally, I think that it should be repealed. State governments have been run over by the Feds since the 17th was adopted.


5 posted on 05/29/2012 7:48:56 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How long before the Dems try to do away with the much ignored 10th?


6 posted on 05/29/2012 8:01:42 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Not a bad idea, although repealing the 16th would be far more effective.


7 posted on 05/29/2012 8:07:58 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: SatinDoll

States have whatever powers we the people of our States decide to give them in the State Constitution. Just the same as in regard to the Federal constitution with the exception that the Federal union is that of 50 States not 300+ million people.

The 17th ammedment upset the balance of power designed to help keep the Federal Government in it’s Constiutional box by making Federal Senators direct Representative of the population(like the house) rather than repesnatives of the State power interest.

Why is that important? Its quite simple, for any system of checks and balances to work both sides have to have a constant interest in preserving its own terf against the intrusion of the other. The U.S. Senate was quite explicitly desigend to help the States do that whereas the presdinecy, house, and federal judiciary formed a “counter balance”.

At least that is how some of the federalist framers claimed it would work. In reality, as one might expect the senates long 6 year term left its members somewhat more comfortable in office. while the powers of the senate amounted to little more than a occupationally effective Veto.

Washington Still grew usurping more and more powers & money from the people and their state
But still as we have witnessed after 1913 the system as designed was 100 times more effective at slowing the progress of the Federal encroachment that having no distinct senate at all.

So by all means I insist upon repealing and/or abolishing the 17th amendment.


8 posted on 05/29/2012 8:07:58 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Please oh please oh please repeal the 17th


9 posted on 05/29/2012 8:09:41 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Supporters say the amendment reduces corruption by reducing the influence of state legislators and gives more power to the public.

The masses are asses, esp since universal suffrage. I'll take my chances with 30 or so corrupt pols compared to 10,000,000 low information voters.

10 posted on 05/29/2012 8:10:06 PM PDT by bkopto (Obama and Biden merely symptoms of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: Crazieman

Doesn’t sound good to me.

Why empower the politicians (”state legislatures”) even more?

Why are many of you so happy for this?

Can’t you see the basis for ‘cronyism’ even more. That a bunch of “Legislature” Politco-Honchos, like a powerful Speaker of the State House, and his counterpart in the State Senate, will sway a majority to go whomever they want to send to WA DC?

Am I missing something here, or is it just because it’s a “GOP” senator calling for this, that’s making others jump in on this bandwagon?


11 posted on 05/29/2012 8:21:24 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is terrific: The best argument is to list the average incomes of members of the US Senate (most are very wealthy).

Next list the average cost of running a statewide Senate campaign in a large state such as CA, TX, or FL (off the charts). People spend tens of millions of their own money in LOSING campaigns.

The 17th intentionally pushes the goal posts so far down the field that only the elite can play the game.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing. The 17th subverts their clear intentions.

Repeal 17th!


12 posted on 05/29/2012 8:21:49 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
How on Earth does one educate the masses on this when it will be portrayed as “undemocratic?”

I would describe it the same way I describe it here. The tenth amendment is the only way to declare a truce in the culture civil wars going on in this country today. One side is not going to vanquish the other any time soon, but liberal states and conservative states can live together in one country peacefully, if they are allowed to run their own states as they see fit.

The states used to elect senators, who then could act on behalf of their states as a check on unlimited federal power. Repealing the 17th amendment would work to restore checks and balances between states and the federal government.

13 posted on 05/29/2012 8:30:16 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He’s absolutely correct.


14 posted on 05/29/2012 8:32:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Let's see. Todd Akin is telling Missouri voters: Vote for me and elect me and I will try to see that you never vote for a US Senator again and I will try to have newly enriched (bribed) state legislators re-elect me instead.

That'll work! NOT!

The only remaining question in Missouri is Steelman or Brunner.

15 posted on 05/29/2012 10:01:15 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Question - was the 17th Amendment ever actually, legally, and truthfully ratified? Evidence seems to point to “no” - between the states that took on themselves a rewording of it, states that never even voted on it, and where there is doubt that a vote was ever taken (when results were assumed before a vote was ever taken in some cases)...


16 posted on 05/29/2012 10:50:51 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Vince Ferrer; Monorprise; man_in_tx; All
"The states used to elect senators, who then could act on behalf of their states as a check on unlimited federal power.
Repealing the 17th amendment would work to restore checks and balances between states and the federal government."
wholeheartedly agree and while we're @ it; repeal the 16th also...we must starve the beast
that the federal government has become @ the root of its power, the ability to tax w/o regard
to the states interests...the Establishment Party shall fight this, tooth & nail...it's their power
over the USA.. if we don't;they'll continue to grow... metastasize

17 posted on 05/30/2012 6:08:46 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA. DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: Monorprise

I am against democracy and for a republic, but that said the 17th Amendment has made the Internet a sales tax free marketplace. Repealing it may very well undo all that tax liberty, which also limits the sales tax raising ability of state governments even on businesses within their borders - the “brick and mortar” stores.


18 posted on 05/30/2012 8:25:20 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: TheBattman

On May 12, 1912, the Seventeenth Amendment, providing for direct popular election of the Senate, was approved by the Congress; the requisite three-fourths of the state legislatures ratified it in less than eleven months. Not only was it ratified quickly, but it was also ratified by overwhelming numbers. In fifty-two of the seventy-two state legislative chambers that voted to ratify the Seventeenth Amendment, the vote was unanimous, and in all thirty-six of the ratifying states the total number of votes cast in opposition to ratification was only 191, with 152 of these votes coming from the lower chambers of Vermont and Connecticut.

- From Heritage.org
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/amendments/17/essays/178/popular-election-of-senators


19 posted on 05/30/2012 9:37:16 AM PDT by skoobedoo (Mr. Obama - if you act presidential, I will call you Mr. President.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

No more than judges who have lifetime appointments. Senators are the ones who used to be able to stop popular, yet bankrupt, irresponsible spending. This is good because Congress has no discipline in usurping state powers/ upholding the 10th Amendment, nor when it Comes to handing out free stuff to a public that can’t stop itself from voting for weasels who promise them everlasting security. Also, New York’s legislature would never have picked Hillary the carpetbagger. Read about Madison’s thoughts about the Senate and it’s purpose.


20 posted on 05/30/2012 4:19:05 PM PDT by H.Akston (Sandra Fluke is more like a looter than a slut. At least a slut gives something for what she takes.)
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To: skoobedoo

The success of the 17th Amendment proved that the reasons for it were bogus - insensitivity of the state legislatures to public opinion. If they were insensitive, they’d have never ratified it. It was an unnecessary amendment that just makes America more like France.


21 posted on 05/30/2012 4:27:15 PM PDT by H.Akston (Sandra Fluke is more like a looter than a slut. At least a slut gives something for what she takes.)
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To: 1010RD

Keep singing that tune when Washington imposes a sales tax on the internet on top of regulations of the internet.

At the very least you should embrace your right to vote with your feet and buy from intrastate industry free of both regulation and Taxes. A right that should not be underestimated or understated.

I honestly Feel that States will inevitably have to impose sales tax on internet commerce as it comes to replace “brick and mortar” commerce.

In my opinion This should either be at the point of sale, or the point of aquation.


22 posted on 05/30/2012 11:19:40 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: LibFreeUSA
What you're missing is this:

1. Elimination of 33 of the most expensive elections that occur every two years. That's a continuous cash flow to the MSM.

2. If there is going to be cronyism, I'd rather it be contained within the state. Why have Chuck Schumer calling the shots in New York for all the Senate seats in other states?

-PJ

23 posted on 05/30/2012 11:44:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: skoobedoo

Yes, I understand the “leanings” of this particular writer/site - but I have yet to find any evidence that shows otherwise than what is stated regarding the ratification votes (The actual exposition on the 17th Amendment and the ratification procedure follows an extended rant regarding the confirmation of a certain extremist and distasteful Supreme Court justice).

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd522.htm


24 posted on 05/31/2012 8:00:26 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: skoobedoo

OH - and thanks for posting that. I was familiar with that bit of “quick passage”, yet I can find few so-called “legit” sources that actually dive in to the ratification process - including states that “ratified”, yet their legislature was not in session, nor did it meet in special session for the purpose. Others that were listed as ratifying the amendment at the time declared to be passed, actually didn’t vote on it until some time after. Lots of questions.

Further - what brought about the supposed “need” for direct election of Senators? I know of the extreme corruption in some states (Nevada and California being hotbeds at the time) where Senate seats were essentially bought. My understanding of the Founding Father’s intent - the Senate was to be a check within the legislative branch.


25 posted on 05/31/2012 8:05:59 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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