Skip to comments.Trump has resources to settle "Birth" Issue once and for all (Vanity)
Posted on 05/30/2012 4:25:42 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa
Here we go again. Donald Trump has revived the issue concerning whether, or not, Barack Hussein Obama was born in the U.S. Wolfe Blitzer calls his remarks "ridiculous". The media is excoriating him and tying him to Romney, in an attempt to embarrass the Romney campaign at best or hurt Romney's election chances at worst. Now, here's my question:
With all the money and resources that Donald Trump has, why can he not get to the bottom of this thing once and for all? We can say that the powers that be are covering up for Prez dude. But, most people have their price. And, besides that, everyone in Hawaii and Kenya can't be corrupt. Someone's got to be honorable.
I do NOT believe that Obama was born here. I do NOT believe that his book bio was a "typo". I believe he was born in Kenya and is not Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS. But, I'm just a little ol' Texas country boy. Whereas Donald Trump has the wherewithal to get to the bottom of this once an for all. Why can he seemingly not do so. Let's settle this thing.
I think he already knows what the deal is with BO. He had his private investigators on this when he first started talking about the bc and this is pretty much what forced BO to come up with his forgery in the first place. I thought at the time that The Donald dropped the issue rather suddenly ..... now he’s raising it again. Something happened back then for him to drop it so quickly ..... but I think he has the goods. He’s waiting for the time when he (The Donald) will benefit most ... or maybe he’s using it to keep the Obama thugs at bay since they’ve been investigating & attacking all of Romney’s big donors.
“Trump has resources to settle “Birth” Issue once and for all”
The “birth issue” will never be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. Further, most likely BO was born in Hawaii, and it will never be officially recognized that “natural born” should mean both parents are citizens.
The focus should shift away from that issue, and instead focus on 0’s other personal history. Did he ever represent himself as foreign born (for instance on college applications)? Why are multiple social security numbers associated with him, and why is the one he’s using now from a state where he was never a resident? What is his academic record, and how exactly did he gain admission to Harvard?
I suspect if the answers to those questions had been known by the public, he never would have been elected President.
Mr. Trump did not get to his elevated position by taking potshots and pray and spray shooting techniques.
When America had to face superior German tanks in WW2 they were ineffective going head on, you had to either hit them multiple times, up the rear, the tracks or....
Run them out of fuel.
You know the internet is great, yet it can be changed, edited, wiped, expunged. What I am thinking is that somewhere there are stacks of magazines and newspapers from the 1990s and early 2000s. And somewhere in those magazines and newspapers there have to be references to OB as Kenyan born. Whose eccentric family member has a collection of such to start searching. Also what about those early interviews with the new senator, certainly they talked with him about his heritage, which might also have him stating his birthplace. I keep remembering seeing an interview with Hillary introducing him as the new rising senator. I know his heritage was brought up, I just don’t remember what he said.
I also wonder if it wouldn’t have been extremely romantic for OB’s young, ignorant, teenage mother to have eloped with her African “prince” to Kenya in 1961? Not only are there birth certificate issues, there appears to be no marriage certificate, yet there is a divorce decree. What’s up with that?
The MI6, Mossad and several Russian agencies know this quite well.
Would not be surprised if Pravda suddenly gets very popular in the near future. Funny thing is in the last couple of years Pravda has been very accurate and hitting dead on.
I was in Maui earlier this month and was talking to the driver of the transport service I was using. Hes native Hawaiian, born on the island where the are no lights, no phone, no motorcar; not a single luxury. Hes been in Maui a number of years now where the work is. He is plugged into everything Hawaii.
He mentioned that last year when Trump was hot and heavy on the birth certificate, Trump came over to the islands to do some research. Someone, my new found friend wasnt sure whether it was government or private, paid Trump $50 million to drop it and go away. Shortly after that the real birth certificate magically showed up and Trump dropped the subject.
I didnt bring the subject up to the driver, - the driver brought it up. Cant verify the veracity of his claim, just what he told me.
BECAUSE Trump is a con man.
Back about a year ago he was claiming that his investigators had uncovered “ amazing things” in Hawaii, but said he wasnt going to tell us what they were ‘at that time’. So the other day a whole year later he gets asked on CNN what they were he was talking about, Trump replies ‘that's old news’.
It is because he never found anything to report, the whole thing was a big lie that he seems proud of.
Then was his make believe ‘I am thinking of running’ scam that was made up for complete morons to fall for, and they did (Trumps Chumps) .
Those who believed Trump last year were fools, and I am sure a few are left that never learn.
Trump may very well have the truth on Obama. But, because of the legal, political, & journalistic firewall the Rats have erected around Obama’s history, the only way of obtaining the truth is probably through ILLEGAL means, ie., illegal snooping, burglary, hacking, & the like. Therefore, Trump would bring the entire ruling class, including the Justice Dept., down on himself, if he tells what he knows.
Beyond that, Trump may be holding on to evidence against Obama, waiting to spring an October Surprise that leaves Obama (& Holder) little time to respond.
America's best option is vote OUT Obama in November, & not count on the likes of ‘The Donald” to save this country. Trump has a history of public disappointment. Let us take control of this country as voters, rather than praying for a miracle.
” The MI6, Mossad and several Russian agencies know this quite well.”
As well as “the powers that be” in this country.
No real birth cert will ever be found because it probably doen’t exist. If it does exist and is found it will be accused of being fake anyway.
We are awash in propaganda and the truth will never be acknowledged or recognized by the voters. Hitler was elected by a democratic process and everything he did was “legal”.
There is a quote by a retired General (on my phone so resources limited) that states that the military brass and FBI have the goods on Obama but are afraid of blacks rioting.
Think of that for a minute........they are more concerned with keeping the urban blacks quiet than about the rule of law and the security of this nation!
My only hope is that there are enough God-fearing military leaders that will do “what is necessary” to honor the oath they all took.
I don’t know about Trump, but certainly the Mossad has the resources to get the truth, either to defeat Obama or pressure him behind the scenes to support Isreal’s positions.
That that has not already happened is, for me, the strongest argument that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii.
We taxpayers footed the bribe.
You need to look at OTHER doc now..look ate his two daughters BC...they should list father place of birth...look for other records and interviews
As even Mark Levin has pointed out, if he isn't a Natural Born Citizen, then what? The Constitution doesn't have any remedy for removing him other than impeachment. Any other argument for any other way to remove him or discount his term in office leads to a Constitution crisis.
Con man or not, he’s enjoyable to watch on the MSM.
I loved his little conversation with Wolfie yesterday, LOL.
What actually showed up...A “birth certificate” or a “certificate of live birth”????
They are two different entities, you know....
He acted so proud that he lied about those ‘investigations’ and got away with it (with the suckers anyway, most of which are in the MSM).
The rest of his answer was that he got Obama to release his BC by telling that made up story.
Republicans are pretty pathetic to tie themselves to him.
Rather than spending huge money sleuthing after parts, Trump should make a very public offer of a $1,000,000 donation to a legitimate children’s charity, payable after Obama actually releases and directs all agencies to provide access to genuine records of all his vital statistics, adoptions, birth certificate changes; school and university years (everything including standardized tests, applications, transcripts, financing/loans, etc.); passports, passport applications, immigration records, and pre-Presidential travel; social security records and applications; selective service registration, etc. Put O on the spot — why not release everything? Certainly you don’t want to deny these pitiful starving children the very food they need to survive? Make offer good for one week. This should get a lot of attention, and knock O off-message when he has to explain why he is refusing. Repeat offer later to milk it again, this time making it a donation to the DNC.
Your Post #18 is GREAT!!!
“Further, most likely BO was born in Hawaii”
I strongly disagree - it’s most likely he was born in KENYA. If Hawaii, there should’ve been no hiding his long form birth certificate then creating an obviously false one.
There is way too much evidence he was born in Kenya (the promo article at Harvard for the Law Review presidency, for one), interview with his grandmother who was there (soon after that, she conveniently disappeared), Kenyan officials’ claims, Michelle’s calling it his native home and a sign there saying that, and more.
It’s also highly probable that since he was such a dim-witted sluggard, he got in the prestigious colleges as a foreign student, taking advantage of both quotas and affirmative action.
But the media just stays silent on all this. Disturbing and disgraceful.
“I strongly disagree - its most likely he was born in KENYA. If Hawaii, there shouldve been no hiding his long form birth certificate then creating an obviously false one.”
Yet we just had another interested party in Arizona receive satisfactory verification that 0 was born in Hawaii. I believe you are falling into a trap by pursuing this issue, it simply makes some on the right look like nut jobs to the rest of the public. Instead, focus on the other obvious and real issues with 0’s past.
If he committed fraud either with social security numbers or false claims about his origins, he’s not eligible to be President either.
“And somewhere in those magazines and newspapers there have to be references to OB as Kenyan born.”
Just do a search here on FR of some threads in the last 1-2 weeks about the publicist who’s come out with two such articles, one from 1991 for the Harvard paper.
If proof of fraudulent BC and/or illegal use of others’ social security numbers is proven and documented, this would mean many counts of felonies he’s committed.
So, even in that case, you mean he can’t be charged and arrested, only impeached by Congress??? We know they’re weenies and Harry Reid et al would never cooperate, so wouldn’t that make them accessories after the fact?
BHO has committed serious CRIMES and if there is concrete, public evidence, isn’t there recourse?
” He mentioned that last year when Trump was hot and heavy on the birth certificate, Trump came over to the islands to do some research. Someone, my new found friend wasnt sure whether it was government or private, paid Trump $50 million to drop it and go away.”
That would make Trump complicit in a crime. NO WAY
” Yet we just had another interested party in Arizona receive satisfactory verification that 0 was born in Hawaii. “
I’m in AZ. Who?
[ Its also highly probable that since he was such a dim-witted sluggard, he got in the prestigious colleges as a foreign student, taking advantage of both quotas and affirmative action. ]
Yeah, and this would mean IF he is actually a citizen of the USA he DEFRAUDED both the US Government of Student Aide money and also STOLE an education from an Indonesian citizen who was turned away because he was last in line behind the last person in Indonesian that year to get the student aide.
That would make him just appear all nice and fuzzy to his internationalist friends....
Q1: I don’t know.
Q2: I do know.
Obama could very easily throw it back on Trump with his class warfare.
All Obama has to say is "Donald Trump has enough money that he could simply make that donation outright. He doesn't need to create a 'stunt' like this that holds starving children hostage for 'ransom.' Does Mitt Romney endorse extortion tactics like this? I call on Governor Romney to disavow this cheap trick and dismiss the likes of Donald Trump from his campaign."
PHOENIX - Arizona's Secretary of State says he is satisfied with verification from Hawaii that proves President Barack Obama's citizenship. In a Wednesday statement, Secretary of State Ken Bennett said his office on Tuesday received confirmation that "the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original record in their files."Full article at:
Bennett re-ignited the birther debate last week after agreeing to request proof of Obama's citizenship.
Bennett said more than 1,000 Arizona residents contacted his office asking about the President's birth certificate and that as the top election official in the state, he was simply trying to ease their concerns.
On Wednesday, after receiving confirmation from Hawaii officials, Bennett said he considers the matter "closed."
He could offer the money to the DNC, and THAT might work.
” Secretary of State Ken Bennett said his office on Tuesday received confirmation that “the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for the President matches the original record in their files.”
If this meant anything, (like proof), Arpaio would drop his investigation forthwith.
His statements and actions are what has convinced me of his eligibility..
You want to arrest a sitting president? Good luck with that.
And, no, without an impeachment, nothing else is going to happen while Obama is in office. "Charged and arrested"? Where and by whom? Who has jurisdiction? Who is going to put out the warrant? Who is going to execute it?
Unless Trump changed the way he does business since his bankruptcy he is cash poor usually. He rarely uses his own money to purchase properties either.
What happens is that this works from the bottom up. The indictments and charges would initially go against Obama’s underlings. You charge and arrest the forger(s) for laws violated in their jurisdiction and after that, the roads lead to Obama. In Arizona, Sheriff Arpaio and his posse have probable cause of fraud violating the laws in Maricopa county and the state of Arizona and consequently they are investigating and building a case.
Obama is not untouchable despite the media BS mirage.
This sort of thing requires balls — something Trump sometimes has.
...”I call on Governor Romney to disavow this cheap trick and dismiss the likes of Donald Trump from his campaign.”
Obama and his campaign have been trying to do just that and so far it is not working for them.
OK, so it leads to a Constitutional crisis.
Many people say, “so what, deal with it”
Crises have to be managed. We can manage this one, despite how ugly it might be...
I really think your driver was just misstating facts he read from the Globe.
Trump was looking for publicity during negotiations for his television show.
He was also advancing the idea of running for President. Another tactic for negotiations purposes.
Trump finally got 60 Million dollars from NBC to sign on for another season of the Apprentice.
While he was producing his show and during the airing of his show he was silent about the Birth Certificate business. NBC probably asked him to shut up for at least the duration.
His show is over so he is free to speak his mind again.
“VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE.”
If he’s an illegal president...a usurper, he can’t be voted out of office. He’s not in office.
“if he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen, then what? The Constitution doesn’t have any remedy for removing him other than impeachment.”
If he’s not a Natural Born Citizen he’s not president.
Nobody has the power to seat a usurper. The office of the presidency is vacant.
Even useless, Mister Constitutional Scholar Mark Levin is a liar here.
“The Constitution doesn’t have any remedy for removing him other than impeachment.”
You can’t impeach a usurper. You arrest a usurper. Only a LEGAL president can be IMPEACHED.
“Any other argument for any other way to remove him or discount his term in office leads to a Constitution crisis.”
WE ARE ALREADY IN A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.
He doesn’t have a term in office. He’s a squatter. He’s there illegally.
Get ‘em, Donald.
Nope. Not untouchable.
But no one's going to touch him, either.
I put my money where my mouth is and donated to Sheriff Joe, hope everybody else does the same. He is the only one carrying the flag at this point and we can’t wait around hoping someone else does it. Trump will bail out of this in a second if it starts effecting his ratings. Like Joe or hate him you have to admit, nobody has bigger balls than he. I think we can all afford a few bucks to find out the truth don’t you think?
Given that you have created a page for yourself, I have no info on you, but I would defer to Levin before you, making you somewhat less than "useless".
Moreover, the best you could say against Levin is that he's mistaken. There's no lie here. He's presented his argument and his conclusion is based on the facts.
The office of the presidency is not vacant. Go take a look. There's someone there. Someone sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. You can label that someone all sorts of friggin' names as you will. Those names and terminology aint in the Constitution, so there isn't a Constitutional remedy for it. That leaves it to the courts. Oh, did I mention that it was the frickin' Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who swore the man in.
Get it? You hate Obama. I get that. You won't him gone. So do I. We can do that.
You want to argue friggin' semantics, be my guest. I'll scroll down to the next coherent post I can find. You, my friend, are the clueless one here. Your solutions are not solutions because they will never happen. I prefer to deal in reality.
Vote him out of the office that he is occupying because otherwise he's going to "usurp" it again for another four years.
So go down to D.C. and evict his ass. You can't miss his house. It's the big white one. Go ahead, really. I'll even cheer for you when I see on television.
But you won't. You're going to do squat.
Which makes you the real squatter.
“Oh, did I mention that it was the frickin’ Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who swore the man in.”
So? What does that prove? It just proves he doesn’t give a crap about the Constitution.