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Birth-certificate 'surprise' in October? (Another Forgery Planned)
WND ^ | May 30, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 05/30/2012 4:32:17 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

An intelligence source in Hawaii who warned early last year that a forged Obama birth record would be released now says that amid continued doubts about the authenticity of the document posted on the White House website, a forged “original” birth certificate intended to pass forensic inspection by using 1961 materials is being prepared and could be released as an “October surprise.”

The source, who has contact with Hawaii government officials, was questioned by Mike Zullo, the head of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse team. Zullo recently returned from a trip to Hawaii to follow up on leads in the posse’s investigation of Obama’s eligibility for the 2012 election ballot in Arizona. Arpaio announced March 1 that his team found probable cause that the document posted by the White House April 27, 2011, is a forgery.

Zullo told WND today that regardless of whether the Hawaii source’s information pans out, he wants to see the original microfilm record of Obama’s birth.

“If they decide to try to produce a document, we’re going to be skeptical,” he said. “We’ve been calling for the microfilm from the beginning.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birftards; birthcertificate; certifigate; forgery; fraud; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama; usurper
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"Zullo has said the sheriff plans to schedule a press conference “at the earliest possible date in June.”
1 posted on 05/30/2012 4:32:26 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

releasing another forgery does not explain away the first...

A sensible person would ask, where was this particular “copy” two years ago?


2 posted on 05/30/2012 4:38:57 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Smokeyblue

Sheriff Joe is beginning to remind me of that Internet superstar guy whose announcements used to get posted around here. If you have something important to say, why wait until the “earliest possible date in June”? Why not do it now? And yes, I know that tomorrow is June 1st, but they’ve been saying “the earliest possible date in June” for two weeks now.


3 posted on 05/30/2012 4:40:56 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Doogle
A sensible person would ask, where was this particular “copy” two years ago?

...and would also wonder why anyone needs to release 3 different copies. Wonder how they square a third BC with the first two?

4 posted on 05/30/2012 4:42:12 AM PDT by IamConservative (Shall I try and perhaps fail or shall I do nothing without fail?)
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To: Smokeyblue

I’m not clairvoyant, but I foresee a Romney Birther Movement springing up within the enemy (Obama) Camp.
http://www.newser.com/story/147007/romney-releases-birth-certificate-stirs-dads-controversy.html
Until this morning when I sat the article, I didn’t know that Romney’s father was born in Mexico.


5 posted on 05/30/2012 4:44:05 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Hm... But can they copy the handwriting perfectly from the computer birth-certificate onto the “authentic” birth certificate?


6 posted on 05/30/2012 4:44:39 AM PDT by Mimi3
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To: Doogle

Sounds like they are just going to print out the PDF file on to old paper and use old ink. So they have an actual piece of paper.

Still isn’t going to explain away all the different type faces, and multitude of other problems with it.

What’s interesting is the inside source telegraphing their plans.


7 posted on 05/30/2012 4:44:44 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Doogle

I would ask how a 50 year old got through his adult life without having his birth certificate at hand.


8 posted on 05/30/2012 4:47:14 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Smokeyblue
The Hawaii source said ink and paper from 1961 have been secured to create an “original” document that would correspond with the digital copy posted on the White House website.

But I doubt they would be able to get usable microfiche stock that was around when the records were put on microfiche. That stuff deteriorates. Hence the reason why he wants the microfiche roll.

9 posted on 05/30/2012 4:47:30 AM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: jersey117

The same way a New York Times reporter can be an illegal immigrant.

My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/magazine/my-life-as-an-undocumented-immigrant.html?pagewanted=all


10 posted on 05/30/2012 4:52:14 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

bfl


11 posted on 05/30/2012 4:52:14 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: Smokeyblue

The question would still remain...were you lying then or are you lying now?


12 posted on 05/30/2012 4:54:38 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: BuffaloJack

Romney hasn’t forged documents, stolen 5 Trillion dollars and murdered US citizens.


13 posted on 05/30/2012 4:54:48 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
Sounds like they are just going to print out the PDF file on to old paper and use old ink. So they have an actual piece of paper.

Not only that, but the document would have to contain at least 3 different types of ink - one for the form, one for the typed info, and one for the signatures ( though there would probably be three for those since I doubt Dunham, the doctor, and the registrar used the same pen ). They will have a hard time printing out the copy. They would have to do it in stages - the form first, then the info, then the signatures. It will be hard to get a pixel to pixel placement of what is printed to match what they have already posted.

14 posted on 05/30/2012 4:57:25 AM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: Smokeyblue
This issue really grates on their nerves. I watched the video of the CNN Trump interview.

The same tired counter arguments from CNN employees like "but.. but it was published in a newspaper."

The CNN employee totally ignored Trump's mention that there is no record of Obama's mother being in a hospital at the time and no reaction from the CNN employee when Mr. Trump mentioned that publisher's biographical sketch of Obama.

I was not born in a hospital. The official record in the state contains only the information that my parents provided when they got around to registering my birth weeks later;

.. so YES! the state of Kentucky's records could confirm that a Photoshop-generated imagine of a b.c. contains information present in the state's records; and if my parents had lied about a hospital that would not change the fact the state could still honestly declare that the "Photoshop-generated imagine of a b.c. contains information present in the state's records;"

.. and yes whatever information my parents put on the forms all must be true because my birth announcement was published in a stupid newspaper. Go figure.

15 posted on 05/30/2012 4:59:21 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BuffaloJack

I’d love for a reporter to bring a copy of a release for Obama to sign with him to a press conference. Then ask him in front of everyone if he would sign the release for numerous records that he has been hiding. If he refuses then ask him why he won’t do it.


16 posted on 05/30/2012 5:01:15 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: TheCipher

I wonder how much more it ups the ante to actually print and notarize a piece of paper.

Digital images aren’t documents.

I guess they want to cement their fraud in physical paper form.


17 posted on 05/30/2012 5:02:01 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
I thought no one believed the birther "nonsense" and - according to guys like Rush and Hannity - conventional wisdom says "move along, there's nothing to see here."

Why does the Obama administration care if no one else does?

Or is this the Hawaiian government trying to cover up crap with more crap, hoping that we won't notice the crap.

18 posted on 05/30/2012 5:02:01 AM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: Smokeyblue

What does Obama have to hide?

Plenty! Stop and think: Why would anyone want to hide their birth certificate? Answer: Because they have something to hide.

Plain common sense, nothing more.


19 posted on 05/30/2012 5:03:10 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Smokeyblue

Novermber 2012 will come and go and you will not see an original birth certificate because there is none. Remember what his grandmother said that she was there in Kenya and witnessed it. The only original birth certificate says Kenya on it. If he had an original which said Hawaii on it, you would have seen it by now. The Democratic party did not spend over a million dollars so Obama could be a wise acre.


20 posted on 05/30/2012 5:06:22 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Smokeyblue

The ultimate narcissist may very well openly confess he wasn’t born in Hawaii, that all the records that were displayed were done so by those traitors undermining his “hope and change” and that he will challenge anyone to enforce that fact.

He will play the white guilt card, the race card and the fears of stirring the Black Pampers against white America.

He has all the odds in his favor by his crafted placement of key supporters from SCOTUS on down couple with elected Communists in Washington.

Yes I could see him openly admitting the truth, because he will be counting that even the truth will not be believed or pursued.


21 posted on 05/30/2012 5:08:14 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Smokeyblue
i want to see the registrars book with his name in it too...
22 posted on 05/30/2012 5:08:34 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BuffaloJack

If Romney is not legally qualified to serve as President, the truth should be brought out immediately, and the Republican Party should select a different candidate. If there is a question, it should be tested in court immediately.


23 posted on 05/30/2012 5:11:27 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Truth never damages a cause that is just." -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi)
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To: jersey117

You know, I don’t care where he was born. Topeka, Atlanta, or Springfield. To me he is not an American, at least culturally.
Oh, “the white sox are my favorite team”: OK who is your favorite player? Ugh duh duh ... on and on. He could not name one player on the team. PATHETIC.
How about Pete Ward, Early Winn, Jaun Pizarro, Charlie Maxwell, Jim Landis, Mike Hershberger, Floyd Robinson, Ron Hansen, Nellie Fox, Luis Aparichio... I could go on and on because the Sox were my favorite team until the Braves moved to Atlanta in 1966. If one says a baseball team is his favorite, but cannot name one player on the team, he is a liar. I guess you guys and gals are shocked by that revelation.
But, the fact remains, Zero is not like any American I have ever met. This includes blacks and whites.
The won is a fraud by any definition.


24 posted on 05/30/2012 5:14:49 AM PDT by BIV (typical white person)
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To: TheCipher

they probably have a team of the best CIA and FBI forgery experts working on the case! of course, these experts all run the risk of disappearing or having a mysterious “accident” at some later convenient date.


25 posted on 05/30/2012 5:15:25 AM PDT by matt1
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To: Smokeyblue
I wonder how much more it ups the ante to actually print and notarize a piece of paper.

And if Onaka would disassociate himself from his "stamp" on this one knowing that a forensic examination would show it was a forgery and he would be culpable.

26 posted on 05/30/2012 5:18:08 AM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: BuffaloJack

George Romney was the son of two US Citizens who were living in Mexico. He was a US Citizen at Birth though he could have claimed Mexican Citizenship, he never did. He returned to the US with his US Citizen parents in 1912 as his parents escaped the Mexican revolution.


27 posted on 05/30/2012 5:18:32 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: Smokeyblue

The birth certficate issue is not going to take Obama down....it’s almost a distraction to advertising the cr** we have had to deal with for 3.5 years.


28 posted on 05/30/2012 5:21:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Smokeyblue

IMHO, Obama & Co. are trying to stay ahead of the news. That may be the plan of Sheriff Joe. Obama has to react ahead of time when given an unknown date of release of info.
I think Bennett did what he planned. He apologized but did get much info into the coverup. Now he is on the sidelines letting the others do their part.
Anyone opposing the Birthers is “smoke and mirrors”. There is no way this clown was born in Hawaii. We may not get the information for many years. It will be sealed like the Kennedy Murder.Every bit of info that is obtained, will be vital later. Even denials and false info can’t be changed later.
Obama uses many names. Besides the BC he has to provide reliable documentation to verify his claims(at some point). Remember NCIC will be able to catch him. Has he EVER had a Drivers License? It can be traced backward. He probably has an arrest record under an alias. It may be a misdemeanor but will be found. The SS# is going to get him in the long run. A simple Lexis check shows the SS#’s used and the various alias’ and addresses. A comprehensive time line according to Obamas own records will not hold up after all the other information is plugged in.
Info needed: addresses, utility bills, voting records, fingerprint check, etc... I don’t think the law license was revoked because he gave fake names. I think there were arrests under those alias’. The man is a protestor. He was bound to get arrested somewhere. He was probably under Federal surveillance back in the day. Not really hard to put togehter with the gaffes he makes. He claims he was born in Kenya. What more does one need. This is not embellishment. He is so vain he thought he could get away with it. Gonna be a landslide in Nov. Then the lame duck will pardon anyone and everyone involved in his coverups. May even set the Chicago record.


29 posted on 05/30/2012 5:23:42 AM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: matt1

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/wayne-madsen-obama-all-in-the-company.pdf


30 posted on 05/30/2012 5:31:15 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Smokeyblue
The biggest mistake the Ubama campaign could make is to fan the flames of the birth certificate issue before the election.

Not to say that they aren't that stoopid.

31 posted on 05/30/2012 5:42:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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I just heard some relatively conservative folks (Imus fill-in host and Imus staff) discuss the Trump CNN interview. They opined that "the issue has been adjudicated" and also the White House released the long-form b.c. It's old news. It's settled.

Obviously those conservative folks' source of "news" is limited to the MSM (Fox).

So if "trees are falling" everyday they will know nothing about them because the MSM will not (are not permitted to?) report it. Spiking is an old, old practice and the worst form of bias IMO.

The more the questions of Obama's veracity irritates them the more I like it! It's expanded beyond the b.c. It's about Obama's lies about himself. Pothead Barry.

32 posted on 05/30/2012 5:45:32 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BIV
You know, I don’t care where he was born. Topeka, Atlanta, or Springfield. To me he is not an American, at least culturally.

Real Americans don't bow to Saudi kings, much less do it as a trained reflex. Real Americans know the difference between a Navy Corpsman and a corpse. Real Americans wouldn't treat their hallowed, precious White House as a homey concert hut, or prop their feet on the furniture.

The grifter Obamas do nothing but denigrate, defile, and destroy anything that is truly American in spirit, tradition, and/or law.

33 posted on 05/30/2012 5:47:29 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Joe should know better than to go after the microfilm. It’s no proof of anything pertaining to the original record. It’s third hand information at best so it makes no difference to the case if it was tampered with.


34 posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:17 AM PDT by bgill
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To: jersey117

He used born in Kenya until 2007!


35 posted on 05/30/2012 5:53:14 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: TheCipher
But I doubt they would be able to get usable microfiche stock that was around when the records were put on microfiche. That stuff deteriorates. Hence the reason why he wants the microfiche roll.

Exactly. I'd want to see the document on the film. I'd want to ensure that image hadn't been spliced into the film. I'd run a chemical analysis of the film to see if it is the same composition as other random films pulled from the archive from around the same time. I'd check for the same visual deterioration or fading. I'd check the records of the adjacent images. I'd check for fingerprints on the film and canister - should find a nice hodgepodge, not a cleanly wiped can. I'd check for marks on the image and adjacent images from dust on the lens. I'd look for distortions in the image (warping at the edges, focus effects across the field of the image, etc.) see if they match others from the same roll, same set of rolls. After all, if these were all taken with the same equipment... etc. etc.

Then I'd compare the alleged document's image to others from the same period - note not from that suspect film but from another random sample of films from the same time period. (I'm usually a very trusting guy, except when I'm not a very trusting guy) Then I'd look at all the typeface and writing problems on the document.

Could it be faked? Probably. But to do so this thoroughly would require a significant number of people be in on it. You know what they say about keeping secrets - the more people that know about it, the more likely it is to come out. Of course the way the Clintons and hussein play ball, some people might just meet with unfortunate accidents after their usefulness is at an end and they've become a liability.

Someone, some person or persons out there know what's going on. Come forward boldly and publicly with evidence and provide it to Sheriff Joe. hussein and crew wouldn't dare touch you. Cash in your story for 7 or 8 figures. Be a hero, or be taken down as an accomplice. I am sure there are people out there that could, and should, do this.

Meanwhile, we'll just keep plugging away, asking the tough questions like why there are so many contradictory statements being made by people who should know; why different versions of a single document keep springing up; why the latest one is so obviously a fake; why so much of the MSM seems to be an accomplice to the coverup; etc. I'll just keep hoping and praying that the truth comes out. I will take the day off from work and celebrate when I see hussein perp-walked out of the White House.

36 posted on 05/30/2012 5:57:54 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Smokeyblue
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

37 posted on 05/30/2012 5:58:28 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Smokeyblue

They better be careful with the disinformation traps Obama lays for them.


38 posted on 05/30/2012 6:07:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Smokeyblue

There won’t be another bc. This administration will keep delaying. Romney, aka Obama lite and son of an anchor baby, will be elected and then the coup will be complete.


39 posted on 05/30/2012 6:09:37 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Smokeyblue
It is so strange he goes to such lengths when he could simply pull out the one he wrote about on page 26 of “Dreams From My Father":

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him.”

40 posted on 05/30/2012 6:10:11 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Smokeyblue
a forged “original” birth certificate intended to pass forensic inspection by using 1961 materials is being prepared and could be released as an “October surprise.” <

Cool, that ought to just be around the time Trump or Arpaio release their proof he's Kenyan born.

41 posted on 05/30/2012 6:19:05 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: jersey117

In his bookk “Dreams From My Father” Obooboo (Ayers) writes that he found a copy of his birth certificate among some of his mom’s old documents. So the guy has one you would think he would have trotted that out.


42 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Smokeyblue
"The Hawaii source said ink and paper from 1961 have been secured to create an “original” document that would correspond with the digital copy posted on the White House website."

Of course! Make an "original" birth certificate (with original 1961 ink and original 1961 paper) from the forged digital multilayered copy. Why didn't I think of that?

43 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:58 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Unless it is first stolen by aliens.

This is, after all, World Nut Daily we’re talkin’ about here.


44 posted on 05/30/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: WellyP

Romney is 100 years old, wow! :)


45 posted on 05/30/2012 6:28:22 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Do I see Hillary Clintons fingerprints on this? This is her last chance to be President. Actually she is more dangerous than Barrak. She is competent he is not. They are both followers of Alinskie.


46 posted on 05/30/2012 6:29:02 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Surely John Brennan’s operatives can do better.
Almost surely they will.


47 posted on 05/30/2012 6:29:38 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

So much drama. If he was a genuine American he wouldn’t have to jump through all these hoops to get a copy of his own BC. How did he register the draft? How did he get a drivers license? A marriage license? If he had a true, authentic copy, the hard copy would have been presented a long time ago. Instead we got not one - but two - doctored electronic versions.


48 posted on 05/30/2012 6:30:50 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jersey117

Plus it does not even matter if Obooboo was born on the capital steps. His father was not a US citizen and his mother was too young to confer citizenship at the time of his birth. The guy is not now and has never been eligible to be President.


49 posted on 05/30/2012 6:38:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

50 posted on 05/30/2012 6:40:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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