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Israeli researchers find American Indians with Jewish genetic markers
Xinhuanet ^ | 5-30-12

Posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:03 PM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:09 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Perhaps, but not from 2600 years ago, as claimed by Joseph Smith.


2 posted on 05/30/2012 5:54:48 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SJackson
The Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any group in the world.(The Bell Curve)

Fortunately, 80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are Ashkenazi.

3 posted on 05/30/2012 5:55:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: SJackson

Did Calypso Louie’s head explode?


4 posted on 05/30/2012 5:57:11 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: SJackson
Let's see if I have this right. 2012 less 600 years is 1412. So that means the Spanish expelled Jews were among some of the first non-indigenous colonists to the new world (post Vikings and post Chinese - of course).

That is kind of interesting. Although a recent family tree show did a special on people of Latin ancestry and found some of the early Spanish Conquistadors were families with recent Jewish ties who had fled the Spanish Inquisition (1478 to 1834).

5 posted on 05/30/2012 5:58:48 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: SJackson
Mel Brooks knew.

Note the headband...

6 posted on 05/30/2012 6:00:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1226 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: blam
80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are Ashkenazi

Collaborators, huh?

7 posted on 05/30/2012 6:01:11 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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I look forward to the first Blazing Saddles Jewish Indian chief post, but will post an actual Jewish Chief first, of the Acoma Pueblo. Second from the left.


8 posted on 05/30/2012 6:03:41 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: blam
Millions Of Jews Traced To Four Women
9 posted on 05/30/2012 6:05:51 PM PDT by blam
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To: SJackson
Those Jews were believed to be descendants of a Jewish man who left Europe and settled in south America about 600 years ago - likely among the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled by Spain in 1492, and possibly among those who sailed with Christopher Columbus,

The Ninth of Av of the year 1492
was the date designated for all Jews
of Spain to leave.

That was the day Columbus
set sail for the new world.


10 posted on 05/30/2012 6:06:52 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: SJackson

The Spanish conquistadors could have included soldiers descended from Spanish Jews. They could have impregnated Indians in the southwest.

Occam’s Razor and all that


11 posted on 05/30/2012 6:08:13 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: SJackson

Here comes the BS about a single gene that can actually be found in other places around the world but is largely insignificant.

But that won’t stop the LDS’rs from saying “There’s proof! We existed before on North America”.

No, there isn’t. You made a conscious decision to follow a religion and it has zip, nada and nothing to do with bloodline.

I’ve seen a report like this a couple times a year for the last 5 years.

Bunk...


12 posted on 05/30/2012 6:08:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: Vendome

A lot of Spanish Jews ended up in the New World (since the Old World wasn’t too hospitable for them). Many of the first settlers in Columbia were of Jewish descent; and as many as 25% of the first Spanish settlers in Mexico City (once it got rebuilt) were of Jewish descent.

If you were of Jewish descent (even if you were a practicing Catholic), and Spanish, there were not a lot of places to go; and the New World looked pretty good.


13 posted on 05/30/2012 6:13:26 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Robert357
some of the early Spanish Conquistadors were families with recent Jewish ties who had fled the Spanish Inquisition

A great many, beginning with Columbus' first voyage, sailing delayed by a day due to a jammed harbor caused by the expulsion. However mostly South America and the Carribean. A total stray aside, the first Jewish immigrants are usually dated to 1654 in New Amsterdam. Fleeing Brazil. I guess that's enough time to father a tribe, but imo not likely.

Interesting topic. Crazy title, which I guess is what sells books, but Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean, a couple years old, is a pretty interesting history of post Inquisition Jewish trade routes in the Mediterrean and Carribean/South America. A little bit about pirates too.

14 posted on 05/30/2012 6:16:04 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: SJackson
Those Jews were believed to be descendants of a Jewish man who left Europe and settled in south America about 600 years ago

I would correct that to say "a Jewish man with an overabundance of MOJO" ;-)

15 posted on 05/30/2012 6:20:13 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I could be mistaken, but I believe he didn’t leave till the 10th due to harbor congestion. The 9th was the planned departure.


16 posted on 05/30/2012 6:20:42 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: muir_redwoods
The Spanish conquistadors could have included soldiers descended from Spanish Jews. They could have impregnated Indians in the southwest.

Without question.

17 posted on 05/30/2012 6:23:17 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: SJackson

Elizabeth Warren claims shwe is part Jewish Indian.


18 posted on 05/30/2012 6:23:48 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Vendome
Here comes the BS about a single gene that can actually be found in other places around the world but is largely insignificant.

Well, you're probably right, but thanks for killing my vision of building a casino.

19 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:28 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: SJackson

All nonsense. The Jews expelled from Spain were Sephardim, the Ashkenasi lived in Russia and Eastern Europe.


20 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:52 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: blam
The Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any group in the world.(The Bell Curve)

So why did so many of these vote for 'bam?

21 posted on 05/30/2012 6:27:36 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: kabumpo

An inconvenient truth which shouldn’t interfere with an entertaining thread. More likely an Ashkenasi hooked a ride with the Vikings.


22 posted on 05/30/2012 6:27:57 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: muir_redwoods

Again, the Jews of Spain were Sephardic, so their descendants wouldnt have Askenasi genes.


23 posted on 05/30/2012 6:29:00 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SJackson

Should have invented steel smelting, the wheel and the gun.

You coulduh done just about anything you wanted.

You do have two thumbs which is an advantage over every other life form...


24 posted on 05/30/2012 6:31:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: SJackson; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

So it turns out after all that Elizabeth Warren is in fact part Cherokee!


25 posted on 05/30/2012 6:33:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: tsomer

IQ has nothing to do with common sense.


26 posted on 05/30/2012 6:33:31 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: CondorFlight

I have a friend who converted to Judaism after her family had been Catholic for generations and hundreds of years.

They traced her lineage and she was able to convert in some short hand method instead of doing the whole Shiksa to JAP thing.

She tells the Joke:
“When I was Catholic I had fake jewelry and real orgasms.

Now I have fake orgasms and real jewelry”.

Who knew?(shrugs shoulders, makes neck disappear)


27 posted on 05/30/2012 6:35:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live athrough it anyway)
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To: SJackson
I could be mistaken, but I believe he didn’t leave till the 10th due to harbor congestion. The 9th was the planned departure.

That is my understanding as well.

It does pose a link to the new world.

Hidden Jews


28 posted on 05/30/2012 6:35:41 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: kabumpo

The bulk of Spanish Jews were Sephardim but there was certainly trade and other contact among the Jews of Spain and the Jews of central Europe. It is an impossibility that there was no mixing among groups.


29 posted on 05/30/2012 6:36:48 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: blam
"The Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any group in the world.(The Bell Curve)

Fortunately, 80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are Ashkenazi.

...But it's the Sephardim, especially the Mizrahim, that are the furious fighters. I'm an expert on the subject, I'm married to one.

30 posted on 05/30/2012 6:43:30 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping.


31 posted on 05/30/2012 6:51:32 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: kabumpo
"Again, the Jews of Spain were Sephardic, so their descendants wouldnt have Askenasi genes."

A good point, but not a foolproof one. There was significant contact back and forth, they aren't hermetically sealed groups.

I'd like to see the source though, Xinhua is only slightly more reliable than Debka.

32 posted on 05/30/2012 6:51:55 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We're all born idiots, and we only get over that condition as we get less young." -J Goldberg)
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To: blam

...and 80% voting demorats...:-)


33 posted on 05/30/2012 6:57:48 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: cookcounty

Actually, they may as well have been. The families did not intermarry back then. Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.


34 posted on 05/30/2012 6:57:54 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SJackson

My name is Tonto. Tonto Goldstein.


35 posted on 05/30/2012 7:03:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Robert357
Conversos (Jews who converted to Christianity to stay in Spain) real or suspected "Crypto-Jews" (kept their traditions alive but in secret) were among those most persecuted during the Spanish Inquisition which occurred in large part (started in 1478 and ended in the 19th century) after the finish of the reconquest of Spain and expulsion of the Muslims and Jews in (can you guess?) 1492.

So it's logical that Jewish Conversos would have been among the first to seize an opportunity to leave Old Spain for New Spain starting in the middle and latter half of the sixteenth century. Their only alternatives would have been tiny but tolerant Holland or continued dhimmitude in Muslim North Africa and the Ottoman Empire. Jews were not allowed back into Britain till after Cromwell took power in the 1600's.

36 posted on 05/30/2012 7:03:45 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: SJackson

My old Jewish pal was a heavy drinker. Must of been his Injun blood, blood!


37 posted on 05/30/2012 7:06:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; SunkenCiv

Hah. I was about to post that one.


38 posted on 05/30/2012 7:06:23 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: kabumpo

> “The Jews expelled from Spain were Sephardim, the Ashkenasi lived in Russia and Eastern Europe.”

Yes, I was puzzled that they’d mention the Ashkenazi mutation when the Spanish Jews were Sephardic. Also the article says “likely among the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled by Spain in 1492”, but if they were “expelled”, they were neither converts nor secret Jews pretending to be Christians, neither of which were expelled.

Certainly some secret Jews might have come to the Spanish colonies, but the article says “such so-called ‘secret Jews,’ or ‘Anusim’ in Hebrew”, seemingly assuming that persons with that genetic marker must be part of that group. There’s no way, though, that genetics can distinguish between descendants of secret Jews and descendants of actual converts.


39 posted on 05/30/2012 7:12:48 PM PDT by GJones2 (Jewish genetic markers in American Hispanics)
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To: SJackson
Can only say; I don't know what this means; for either Indians or for those Jewish. But interesting. . .So 'whose' on first here?
40 posted on 05/30/2012 7:15:52 PM PDT by cricket (Who ART THOU, Obama???. .)
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To: SJackson

Casinos in Israel?


41 posted on 05/30/2012 7:17:15 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: kabumpo; Jewbacca; Yehuda; Zionist Conspirator; Nachum; rmlew; dennisw
Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.

False.

42 posted on 05/30/2012 7:19:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: blam

Sounds like those ladies got mighty busy.


43 posted on 05/30/2012 7:22:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Revolting cat!

*shrug* I’ve worn out the Schmohawk joke.


44 posted on 05/30/2012 7:24:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: boomop1

With leaky breastesess.


45 posted on 05/30/2012 7:38:41 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I’ll add that using the word ‘Ashkenazim’ for Northern and Eastern European Jews and ‘Sephardim’ for Jews from Spain is separate from the idea that the Ashkenazim aren’t really descendants of persons from Israel. Ordinarily they are just considered two different groups who have ancestral connections with Israel (and that’s what I was agreeing to, not to theories about the Khazars).


46 posted on 05/30/2012 7:40:01 PM PDT by GJones2 (Jewish genetic markers in American Hispanics)
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To: Slings and Arrows

So these Injuns are real MOT!!! Members of the Tribe.


47 posted on 05/30/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: SJackson

"No, no, zayt nisht meshuge!"

48 posted on 05/30/2012 7:43:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dennisw

I dunno - do they buy retail? ;^)


49 posted on 05/30/2012 7:48:17 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: GJones2

Understood. There are some differences in traditions of worship between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but neither one is more or less Jewish than the other.


50 posted on 05/30/2012 7:52:20 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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