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Israeli researchers find American Indians with Jewish genetic markers
Xinhuanet ^ | 5-30-12

Posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:03 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: dfwgator

Yiddish speaking indians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYVtGqnjrgs


51 posted on 05/30/2012 7:56:39 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: kabumpo
You are probably correct. In 721 BC the ten northern tribes of Israel were dispersed to all the nations as part of their judgment for breaking covenant with Yahweh. Those Israelites were scattered to the New World via the Phoenician trade. These Israelites/Phoenicians mixed with the natives and that is where the genetic line comes from. Check out the Cherokee lineage if you want an interesting story. Oh, P.S. Yahshua said He came only “for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” I am so glad I know who I am.
52 posted on 05/30/2012 8:16:44 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: SJackson

Uh..........wasn’t Christopher Columbus a converted Jew?


53 posted on 05/30/2012 8:28:40 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light.)
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To: F15Eagle
It might be interesting to have the DNA markers of, say, present day Mayans, analyzed
54 posted on 05/30/2012 8:36:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7; All

The Cherokee developed their own written language - published their own newspaper...
They read from right to left - like Hebrew

they have a tradition that speaks of ancestors from a place called “MASADA” (Put THAT in you peacepipe and smoke it) _;o)

http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=1700


55 posted on 05/30/2012 8:58:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: kabumpo; Slings and Arrows
Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.

Good gravy. Are there still people who believe that?

"'Ashkenaz" is a traditional Hebrew name for Germany. 'Ashkenazi Jews are simply German Jews, just as Sefaradi Jews are Spanish Jews.

The 'Ashkenazi rite is furthermore based on the rite of 'Eretz Yisra'el while that of the Sefaradim is based on Babylon. And (though this is the opposite of what most people think) the 'Ashkenazi pronunciation may actually be closer to the ancient pronunciation of 'Eretz Yisra'el than that of the Sefaradim who are now more associated with it.

56 posted on 05/30/2012 9:03:43 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: maine-iac7; All

a couple more of many

Ancient Hebrew script on stone found in New Mexico

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/15_home.html

http://hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm

others

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html


57 posted on 05/30/2012 9:20:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: SJackson; All

ASHKENAZI - ANASASI?

advanced building - huge complexes of connected communites - by long straight roads

“Apartment” blds, 5 stories high - One, Peublo Bonito shaped in a wide arc configuration, open to south which created a passive solor heat system...Hundreds of ‘apartments’ (est 650 rooms) - amazing stonework -

http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/chaco.html

http://thssite.tripod.com/shel1/anas.html

http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/chaco-canyon.html

What a bunch of ignorant savages - s/


58 posted on 05/30/2012 9:46:15 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: boomop1

Yes, this could help Elizabeth shore up the Jewish vote.


59 posted on 05/30/2012 9:49:15 PM PDT by kevao
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To: SJackson
ASHKENAZI - ANASASI? reconstruction of Pueblo Bonito, one of the village complexes connected by miles of long straight roads.

Pueblo Bonito, built to catch southern sun - passive solar - had an estimated 650 rooms and was 5 stories high on it's back arc

Has many large kivas. Much of the expert stonework is still straight ans strong today


60 posted on 05/30/2012 9:54:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Good gravy. Are there still people who believe that?

There are, and the article I linked makes it very clear who they are.

61 posted on 05/30/2012 9:58:40 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: kabumpo; Slings and Arrows

That myth-crap of ‘Khazars,’ pushed by R. Islamists and Neo-Nazis alike
LibertyNewsNetwork & more ^ | Jan. 18. 2012

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2834625/posts


62 posted on 05/30/2012 10:29:09 PM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Have you ever looked at the Russian/Eastern European Jews....they’re not Semites.


63 posted on 05/30/2012 10:29:33 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Yehuda

Actually, one of the most famous Jewish writers of the 20th century wrote a book expounding this theory.


64 posted on 05/30/2012 10:32:44 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: katana
Their only alternatives would have been tiny but tolerant Holland or continued dhimmitude in Muslim North Africa and the Ottoman Empire. Jews were not allowed back into Britain till after Cromwell took power in the 1600's.

There was also the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

65 posted on 05/30/2012 10:53:28 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: maine-iac7; Graybeard58; greyfoxx39; reaganaut; MHGinTN; Elsie; svcw

They won’t have it either, unless there was some intermarrying in between.

They Mayans were pagans, with no Hebrew faith in them.

Smith created and taught a lie (and may have stolen it as well with the help of Sidney Rigdon, from “View of the Hebrews” and “Manuscript Story” and “Manuscript Found”.)

There were no steel swords used by American Indians in 396 A.D. at Cumorah Hill and they’ve never exhumed the 230,000+ skeletons that would have to be there. They will never have a full archaeological dig on that site because it will prove terribly embarrassing. And cause many, many of their followers to leave.

Because ... it is not real and there’s no archaeological proof found, anywhere, for any of it.

Nor are there 5,000 ancient documents like for the New Testament. Nor 500. Nor 50. Nor 5.

Not even 1. Not 1 for the BoM. It is a complete fabrication. Except for that which was stolen from a KJV Bible.

Nor is Jesus returning to Adam-Ondi-Ahman at Gallatin, Missouri. He returns to Jerusalem. The Bible is specific about that.


66 posted on 05/30/2012 10:58:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“’Ashkenaz’ is a traditional Hebrew name for Germany”

Thank you.


67 posted on 05/30/2012 11:03:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: kabumpo; Slings and Arrows; Jewbacca; Yehuda; Zionist Conspirator; Nachum; dennisw
Actually, they may as well have been. The families did not intermarry back then. Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.
The Khagan Bek (prime minister/chief general) of the Khazar Khaganate, Bulan, converted to Judaism in 740. The empire did not and the Ashina clan Khagans remained Tengists for generations, if not all the way to 1016, when the last kingdom led the Christian Georgius Tsul was destroyed by the Rus and Byzantium. There was no Khazar state in 1200. The entire legitimacy of the Khazar Khaganate (empire) lay in the Ashina Tengrist priest Khagans, who were the ruling family of the previous Kok Turkut. But putting aside history, there is genetics. And genetic testing shows that most Ashkenazi Jews have no Turkic ancestry. Go to Khazaria.com for a summary. There are Turkic Jews such as the few thousand Karaylar (Tatar Karaites) and all but extinct Krimchaks (Tatar Rabbinate Jews). I'm sure that some Bukharan Jews have some Turkic ancestry too. But some distant ancestry means nothing. No one thinks of David, much less Jesus as Moabites.
68 posted on 05/30/2012 11:58:58 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: kabumpo
Actually, one of the most famous Jewish writers of the 20th century wrote a book expounding this theory.
You mean the communist anti-Zionist fiction writer Arthur Koestler? Koestler was a hack, who ignored actual history and research. Do yourself a favor, stop digging. I have forgotten more about Khazaria than you will bother to learn.
69 posted on 05/31/2012 12:07:51 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: ladyL
In 721 BC the ten northern tribes of Israel were dispersed to all the nations as part of their judgment for breaking covenant with Yahweh.

Have you gone to the site Joes and Jews on the web. It's an interesting site about the subject of the lost tribe of Israel, with loads of info and related items. It's a good site to get lost in (notice the pun). It doesn't espouse "British Israelism", which I have found to be off the track of truth.

This subject is actually dear to my heart, because as I read, especially The Old Testament, it comes up unbelievably often.

I had zero information or knowledge about lost tribes the night The LORD saved me. The LORD clearly indicated to me that Joseph was important to me during my salvation experience and I hardly knew anything about Joseph. I later came to realize that He was showing me that I am of the tribe of Joseph. That is why I began to be really interested in this subject.

70 posted on 05/31/2012 1:40:36 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: ladyL

Sorry I forgot to give you the address of “Jews and Joes”.
http://jewsandjoes.com/


71 posted on 05/31/2012 1:42:03 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: ladyL

Sorry, I forgot to give you the address of “Jews and Joes”.
http://jewsandjoes.com/


72 posted on 05/31/2012 1:42:33 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: SJackson

Now we can watch F Troop without guilt!


73 posted on 05/31/2012 3:57:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Fractal Trader; Theoria; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Fractal Trader, and Theoria.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


74 posted on 05/31/2012 6:14:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rmlew

I believe that “Darkness at Noon” is considered both a great literary achievement as well as a devastating indictment of communism.


75 posted on 05/31/2012 6:37:36 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: blam
Millions Of Jews Traced To Four Women

Reminds me of an old Sam Levenson joke: "Somewhere on this globe, every ten seconds, there is a woman giving birth to a child. She must be found and stopped."

76 posted on 05/31/2012 6:45:27 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: kabumpo

In case you haven’t figured it out, the khazar BS is from a novel and is used by nazis, jihadis, communists and those easily duped.

Read the links and back off or feel free to let us know which of the above classes you fit into.

ps - I am Jewish of Russian / E. European background, and my faith and my fists can assure you that I am a “semite”.


77 posted on 05/31/2012 6:58:30 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: F15Eagle

What happened 2600 years ago?


78 posted on 05/31/2012 7:29:47 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: F15Eagle

What happened 2600 years ago?


79 posted on 05/31/2012 7:31:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kabumpo
Have you ever looked at the Russian/Eastern European Jews....they’re not Semites.

Chinese Jews look Chinese. Ethiopian Jews look Ethiopian. Yemeni Jews look Yemeni.

Actually, one of the most famous Jewish writers of the 20th century wrote a book expounding this theory.

Arthur Koestler wanted to prove that Jews weren't "Semites" so the "anti-Semites" would stop hating them. Instead the "anti-Semites" switched from hating them because they were Semites to hating them because they were not Semites.

Do you know the difference between 'Ashkenazi Hebrew and Sefaradi Hebrew? Can you read the prayerbooks of the two rites?

I advise you to cease and desist this neo-Nazi nonsense.

80 posted on 05/31/2012 7:45:56 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: kabumpo

“The Jews expelled from Spain were Sephardim, the Ashkenasi lived in Russia and Eastern Europe.”

There is little or no genetic difference between the three major groups in the Diaspora, Ashkenazim, Mizrahim, or Sephardim.

Indeed, the cohenim of all the groups share a common male ancestor.


81 posted on 05/31/2012 8:09:55 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: kabumpo

“Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.”

That’s been thoroughly refuted and a lie only repeated by Nazis and arabs.


82 posted on 05/31/2012 8:13:09 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: kabumpo

“Have you ever looked at the Russian/Eastern European Jews....they’re not Semites.”

Sadly, the closest genetic relatives of Ashkenazi Jews, other than Sephardic and Mizrahim Jews, are, alas, arabs in Judea (aka “Palestinians”).


83 posted on 05/31/2012 8:17:41 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: kabumpo

“Actually, one of the most famous Jewish writers of the 20th century wrote a book expounding this theory.”

Yes, and he repudiated his own theory upon repeated genetic studies and better historical records.


84 posted on 05/31/2012 8:18:54 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: blam

Not to be insensitive, but 6 million of them were murdered. It is reasonable to assume that those who were more caapabale of avoiding the Nazis were more affluent and likely more intelligent (again sounds harsh but probably true). If you think of a Nazi takeover of a town, who will be able to escape, the banker or the janitor?


85 posted on 05/31/2012 8:43:54 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: SJackson

Does this mean that Elizabeth Warren is also a descendant of one of the Lost Tribes of Israel?

That would mean Harvard got a “twofer.”


86 posted on 05/31/2012 9:03:47 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: blam; SJackson

The exciting field of Modern DNA science is remarkably showing that Jews are Jews by DNA going all the way back to Old Testament Biblical times. The anti-Semitic propaganda claim of later Khazar ancestry for Ashkenazi Jews, which even some Jews had begun to believe, is proven bogus. A set of Jewish DNA markers are linking directly back to the time of Abraham.

http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/video/General/8740/%D7%9E%D7%97%D7%A7%D7%A8.html


87 posted on 05/31/2012 9:34:59 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: douginthearmy

Both the bankers AND the janitors, as well as the teachers and the bakers and the shoemakers and the tailors and the blacksmiths and the cantors and the rabbis and the butchers and the textile workers and the printers and the factory owners and the water carriers and the infants and the toddlers and their parents and their grandparents and their greatgrandparents were murdered. No one was more likely than anyone else to extricate himself from the mass hell that the Nazis set in motion. You seem to think that survival during the Holocaust was a function of intelligence and ingenuity. Your comment is glib and woefully uninformed. You need to read much more about the Holocaust.


88 posted on 05/31/2012 9:48:08 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: F15Eagle
Not even 1. Not 1 for the BoM. It is a complete fabrication. Except for that which was stolen from a KJV Bible.

Mix in some plagiarized Masonic rituals and BOOM! You've got a religion. Add some asinine "White Horse prophesy" and you have a presidential candidate.

Almost all I know about Judaism comes from having read the O.T. dozens of times. We have a president who claims to be an expert on Judaism and there's no way of proving it but I'd be willing to bet that he has never read a single chapter of the O.T. in its entirety. The sum total of his "knowledge" comes from a muslim perspective.

I appreciate these threads where I can learn more.

89 posted on 05/31/2012 10:01:42 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: JerseyanExile

You’re right. I had forgotten about the Polish kings opening their lands to Jewish settlement.


90 posted on 05/31/2012 10:12:11 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Yehuda

I don’t get what fists have to do with this.


91 posted on 05/31/2012 10:21:22 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: blam
Millions Of Jews Traced To Four Women

"And you'd think that one of them would remember to call his mother once in a while...."

92 posted on 05/31/2012 10:25:43 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: F15Eagle

Umm, how could there be a traditional Hebrew name for Germany when there was no such place as Germany when there were traditional Hebrews - i.e., before the destruction of the temple.


93 posted on 05/31/2012 10:26:40 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Vendome
"When I was Catholic I had fake jewelry and real orgasms.
Now I have fake orgasms and real jewelry"

ROFLMAO. God, that's funny.

94 posted on 05/31/2012 10:31:26 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: SJackson

There was a story as well claiming that Columbia’s himself may have been Jewish.


95 posted on 05/31/2012 10:33:43 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: SJackson
Lots of very interesting discussion here... We need to get the best input possible to resolve these issues. I suggest we send this topic to the greatest (self proclaimed) Jewish expert president ever... Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. I am sure he knows about all this and can set us all straight!
96 posted on 05/31/2012 10:51:00 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
No one was more likely than anyone else to extricate himself from the mass hell that the Nazis set in motion.

I am sorry to sound "glib" but I do not believe that. I know for a fact that Jews from all levels of society were captured and killed and a host of other horrific crimes. However, I cannot believe for one second that 50% of those killed were below average intelligence and 50% were above. It simply defies logic and reason as distasteful as it may be to discuss.

In addition, survival during the holocaust was certainly less dependent upon affluence as escape prior to the holocaust would have been. If even 2 in 10 bankers managed to pay their way out before the killings commenced, they would have doubled the rate for other survivors. When 90% of a population is killed even a tiny difference can make a large percentage change.

97 posted on 05/31/2012 10:51:28 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: kabumpo
I believe that “Darkness at Noon” is considered both a great literary achievement as well as a devastating indictment of communism.
Indeed it was, but that does not make Koestler a historian, much less one without an agenda.
98 posted on 05/31/2012 11:43:33 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: douginthearmy
Most American Jews are descended from those who came prior to 1923. (As a side note, Jews who came since 1945 tend to be Republican or independent.)

As for the rest of your theory, wealth could also be an impediment. Many wealthy Jews refused to leave their property, as they like so many others did not understand the genocidal intent of the Nazis until it was too late.
My mother's father tried to escape with his 4 brothers, which was made easier because they had so little property to leave behind. (1 brother died as then fled the Nazi advance through Poland in 1939, 2 died in Soviet gulags, 1 later died of cancer after mining for heavy metals in a Soviet gulag.) My maternal grandmother came from a wealthy family. She fled alone, although some of her poorer cousins separately fled to the USSR. As far as we know, everyone else died in Majdanek. My father's family used their wealth to try to help their neighbors escape, as well as protect themselves. They eventually fled.
99 posted on 05/31/2012 11:59:17 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: wildbill

>> Harvard got a “twofer.” <<

Looks like a “three-fer” to me:

1. Female

2. Cherokee

3. Jewish

Too bad for Harvard that she doesn’t have a serious physical handicap and that she hasn’t declared herself to be a lesbo. The two latter categories could make her a FIVE-fer!


100 posted on 05/31/2012 12:01:13 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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