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Whitewater-Baldy Fire Now Biggest in N.M. History
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | May 30, 2012 | John Fleck

Posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:03 PM PDT by CedarDave

A 1 a.m. flight to assess the extent of the Whitewater-Baldy fire in the Gila National Forest concluded that 18,260 additional acres burned in the previous 24 hours. At 170,272 acres, it is now the largest fire in recorded New Mexico history, surpassing last year’s Las Conchas at 156,293 acres.

It is also the largest fire currently burning in the country. At 266 square miles, the blaze is nearly 80 square miles bigger than the city of Albuquerque.

The fire is still zero percent contained and burning in all directions, officials said in their morning news release on InciWeb. More than 1,200 firefighters and 12 helicopters have been assigned to the blaze.

(Excerpt) Read more at abqjournal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: fire; whitewaterbaldy
The majority of the fire is burning in the Gila Wilderness with the northeastern leg burning on Forest Service multiple use land. Because the Gila has not logged or thinned, it is still in its natural state and this lightning-caused fire will clear the landscape of dead, downed and live ponderosa where crowning occurs. Major fire fighting efforts are occurring outside the wilderness along forest roads and in areas where structures are present.
1 posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:13 PM PDT by CedarDave
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2 posted on 05/30/2012 5:54:25 PM PDT by CedarDave
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3 posted on 05/30/2012 5:56:26 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Mebbe it will burn up a few of those wolves that have 3 or more government employees each as bodyguards.


4 posted on 05/30/2012 5:59:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: CedarDave

I guess the only real question I have is how much the fire-fighting efforts are costing compared to that of controlled burns.


5 posted on 05/30/2012 6:00:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: FrogMom

Did you tell me the last time I asked that you still had that place just north of this monster?


6 posted on 05/30/2012 6:01:02 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: CedarDave

There’s a big one (for Michigan) burning in the eastern UP.

Story as of Sunday.

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16975


7 posted on 05/30/2012 6:05:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CedarDave

The orange air (smoke cloud) has kept me indoors for two days, due to respiratory ailments - I hear that the wind may shift overnight and push it away from here, but not holding my breath (so to speak..)


8 posted on 05/30/2012 6:11:47 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: cripplecreek

Oops. Actual link to michigan fire story.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/duck_lake_fire_damage_revised.html


9 posted on 05/30/2012 6:12:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Hmm...


10 posted on 05/30/2012 6:15:21 PM PDT by TBall
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To: TBall

Lightning, dense unmanaged forest, lots of fuel on the ground. Fire should be expected even in wet states like Michigan.


11 posted on 05/30/2012 6:21:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Not as many acres, but 29 homes/cabins have been burned.

Using a plane like shown in the video would be a problem in NM as there are no nearby lakes to get water. Closest would probably be on the Rio Grande a hundred or more miles from the fire.

I liked the story at the incorrect link, also. There was a vote taken as to whether residents wanted wind turbines nearby. 61% said no but the local township officials are going ahead with the plan anyhow. Might be time to get them out of office.


12 posted on 05/30/2012 6:23:23 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I just remember a recent headline about
AQ. If we wanted to, we could probably detect and stop these fires before they were allowed to grow.


13 posted on 05/30/2012 6:25:28 PM PDT by TBall
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To: CedarDave
Not as many acres, but 29 homes/cabins have been burned.

In the Michigan fire, not NM. To date, the NM fire has destroyed a dozen homes and injured five people.

14 posted on 05/30/2012 6:27:46 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Little lakes all over the eastern UP but its also swampy which makes it hard for ground crews to get around.


15 posted on 05/30/2012 6:28:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CedarDave

I can’t make out anything by that map. Has it spread out to White Creek Station and up to Mogollon Baldy? East, has it spread out to Snow lake? I figured once it hit the mess up Turkey Feather Pass and Iron creek there would be no way to stop it.


16 posted on 05/30/2012 6:31:59 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

Try this link:

http://www.inciweb.org/incident/2870/

There is a Google map there with the fire boundaries overlain. You can enlarge the map to check on your locations.
Good luck!


17 posted on 05/30/2012 6:50:51 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Hi Dave!

The smokes been coming up here, and one night I could swear the fire was in my driveway.

Stay safe!

Slim


18 posted on 05/30/2012 6:52:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: OneWingedShark
I guess the only real question I have is how much the fire-fighting efforts are costing compared to that of controlled burns.

Part of the money paid to the federal government for timber sales on federal lands was used for fighting forest fires.

From a high of 12 billion board feet of timber sold per year during the 1980's that number has fallen to less than 1 billion board feet sold per year.

During one of the Clinton years Bill had to transfer 300 million dollars from the "general fund" to the fire fighting fund due to reduced timber sales.

19 posted on 05/30/2012 7:28:26 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: TBall
If we wanted to, we could probably detect and stop these fires before they were allowed to grow.

NM just went through 5 full days of ridiculous winds. I doubt there is anything they could have done to stop it. At least one, and possibly two days saw no firefighting flights due to high winds.

20 posted on 05/30/2012 7:41:30 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: CedarDave
Well, at least Glenwood and the Blue Front Saloon appear to be safe for the time being.

But they're evacuating Mogollon...

21 posted on 05/30/2012 8:05:19 PM PDT by okie01
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“Well, at least Glenwood and the Blue Front Saloon appear to be safe for the time being”

First time I was in that saloon would be in the early 50’s. I hate to see this as that is beautiful and wild country. I have relatives all long 180 from Silver City North to Alma and Reserve.


22 posted on 05/30/2012 8:27:44 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, Yoopers. I’m with ‘em.


23 posted on 05/30/2012 8:34:46 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: KC Burke

If you look at this map:

http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/05/27/whitewater-baldy-fire-adds-40000-acres-may-exceed-350000-acres/

Our property is about 60 miles from Reserve.


24 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:17 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom

Yes I remember from a decade back that I had driven fairly near it when I was hitting the VLA and then on to Alpine in AZ — I just couldn’t remember if you still had it.

This is entirely too damn close for comfort. You both are in our prayers.


25 posted on 05/31/2012 8:07:29 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: KC Burke

You went w/i 12 miles on that route!

Thank you much, we appreciate it.


26 posted on 05/31/2012 8:28:29 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom

My youngest, the one that finished his six in the Signal Corps in early 2010 went out to your area for a wedding party for a buddy a Wegotcha last fall.

He has now announced that he is getting married next year. He is up is southern Michigan doing utility geo-mapping and field locates.

My wife and I are now up to eight grandkids — it is a full time job just getting around to see them all with work still very hectic. Finally going after some more work in the southwest — shooting at Davis Monthan, Cannon, Luke, Carson and Buckley. My wife was convinced we’d win one at Minot but luckly we didn’t.


27 posted on 05/31/2012 9:20:08 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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