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John Bolton: US Voters agree George W Bush left Barack Obama with a mess
TheTelegraph ^ | May 30, 2012 | Jon Swaine

Posted on 05/31/2012 7:38:41 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

John Bolton, Mr Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, said it would not be helpful for the Republicans to more vigorously defend the former president's record, which Democrats have sharply criticised.

Mr Bolton urged Mitt Romney, the party's nominee to face Mr Obama in November, to focus on the future and resist arguing over whether their last president left behind "a big mess or a little mess".

His remarks came as Mr Bush prepared to return to the White House for only the second time since leaving office in January 2009, for the unveiling of his official portrait.

"I think people would agree with Obama that he was left with a mess," Mr Bolton told The Daily Telegraph.

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Bolton does say later in the article that history will treat Bush better than his current low standing would suggest.
1 posted on 05/31/2012 7:38:48 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

They may have to dedicate the Fraud’s “official portrait” while he still occupies the White Hut.


2 posted on 05/31/2012 7:41:59 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"I think people would agree with Obama that he was left with a mess,"

Regardless, he's made it a worse mess.

3 posted on 05/31/2012 7:42:03 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Just wondering....does anyone ever ponder how bad things could have been under Presidents Gore or Kerry?


4 posted on 05/31/2012 7:44:47 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

And US voters will have realized Obama the problem-solver is triple, no ten times, worse.


5 posted on 05/31/2012 7:45:19 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

This is a question better saved for historians... Did GWB leave a bigger mess for BHO than BHO left for Romney? It will be a no brainer. But for now, focus on replacing BHO.


6 posted on 05/31/2012 7:46:08 AM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The media successfully “borked” W. W certainly didn’t help himself on many issues. If I were a strategist trying to have Bush help on the campaign trail, I’d keep him to solidly red states and military bases.

As much as I hate it, everywhere else he is a reminder of why people voted for “hope and change” in the first place.


7 posted on 05/31/2012 7:46:28 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Behind enemy lines in the city where it's illegal to buy a Big Gulp)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

George Bush was a failed President.


8 posted on 05/31/2012 7:47:46 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

As far as I’m concerned, it was al Qaeda that left us the mess. REMEMBER 9-11!


9 posted on 05/31/2012 7:48:37 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"I think people would agree with Obama that he was left with a mess,"

with a little help from the media, of course.

10 posted on 05/31/2012 7:48:38 AM PDT by Baynative (REMEMBER: Without America there is no free world!)
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To: grobdriver

I think Bolton would agree that the mess Bush left had it’s roots in the Clinton intelligence services firewalls and the Clinton era Frank/Dodd houses for louses programs.


11 posted on 05/31/2012 7:49:07 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The housing and financial mess happened under Bush, but were caused by Democrats in Fannie, Freddie, HUD, Justice snd for the last 2 years in the House and Senate. Bush expressed concern, but Barney Frank famously said “There is nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie”.


12 posted on 05/31/2012 7:49:11 AM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
So what if Bush did? (although I would argue the democrat congress deserves equal blame). When we vote for a president we are essentially the board of directors electing a CEO to manage the country for the next four years. Following that analogy, do you honestly think that after three plus years with no results that the board would accept the excuse “It's not my fault, the other guy left a big mess.”. No, they hired you to clean it up, not make excuses. So from the day you took over it became YOUR mess, and now it is YOUR fault it's not fixed.
13 posted on 05/31/2012 7:50:11 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Remember, that the Democrats had both Houses the last two years of the Bush presidency and they were hell bent to sabotage anything good coming from the WH. The anti-Bush hype and vitriolic attacks designed to take him down were at a crescendo during those years.


14 posted on 05/31/2012 7:50:58 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I agree with Bolton. Bush DID leave a mess. He signed TARP, signed every spending bill Congress could devise, got mired in nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan ( which I supported at the time but now regret) and sent the wrong message to the nation and the world a million times about 'the religion of peace'. But he was a damned sight better than any of the alternatives at the time.

I too think history will be kinder to W. than many of us now are willing to be and trying to run a campaign as an apologist for the Bush administration would be a very bad idea. This campaign has to be about the future. With Romney we may have one, with obama we won't.

15 posted on 05/31/2012 7:51:02 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Is Obama going to sign Bush’s portrait? He has graffitied everything else, shuck n’ jive tinhorn that he is.


16 posted on 05/31/2012 7:51:07 AM PDT by pallis
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To: bossmechanic

Our foreign policy mess today is the product of three poor jobs done by Clinton, Bush and Obama.


17 posted on 05/31/2012 7:52:17 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: pgkdan

He will be vilified by history as the last guy who had a chance to prevent the collapse of the US but chose to punt.


18 posted on 05/31/2012 7:55:46 AM PDT by DManA
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To: apillar

Excellent analogy.


19 posted on 05/31/2012 7:55:59 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: elpadre
Remember, that the Democrats had both Houses the last two years of the Bush presidency and they were hell bent to sabotage anything good coming from the WH.

But it was the GOP that passed prescription coverage, expanded Medicare and Medicaide and eneacted No Child Left Behind. They also spent like drunk sailors in a whore house and Bush signed all the checks.

Romney needs distance between him and W. If W ever shows his face on the campaign trail it will cost Romney votes every time. As much as I like and admire George W Bush on a personal level I think his presidency was by and large a failure and a disappointment.

20 posted on 05/31/2012 7:56:30 AM PDT by pgkdan (ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!)
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To: DManA

Can Romney blame Bush too?

You see, in my opinion, the President is CEO of the USA. We “hired” a leader, someone who says “I’m in control, I am in charge” and what we got is a whiner. Nothing is his fault, his failed policies are blamed on someone else. If it’s the people - they are racist. If it’s the tanking economy - it’s Bush.

Nevermind that the DEMS have been in charge of Congress before he got in, and had such a deadlock that the Republicans were unable to even Filibuster in opposition.

Remember when Obama told us that the RNC put is in the ditch, and he didn’t want to hear from them as the DNC was pushing the bus out of the ditch?

No mention that reckless spending, forcing banks to give loans to people unfit to get a home loan, no mention of increased dependance upon foreign oil - all made manifest by the DEMS controlling Congress.

Yet, for reasons no one really understands - everything is Bush’s fault. Every campaign promise that Obama made, and has failed to keep - is Bush’s fault.

Bush’s faults ceased to exist the day Obama was sworn into office.


21 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:35 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: MtnClimber
The housing and financial mess happened under Bush, but were caused by Democrats in Fannie, Freddie, HUD, Justice snd for the last 2 years in the House and Senate. Bush expressed concern, but Barney Frank famously said “There is nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie”.

IIRC, during Bush's presidency there were three efforts by Republicans in Congress to deal with the worst aspects of the Community Reinvestment Act. All of these efforts were defeated by the Democrats, probably with some assistance from the RINO contingent.

22 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:35 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I think people would agree with Obama that he was left with a mess.

BS. The last two years of GWB term was controlled with a Democratic Senate and House, where all the crap starts. Bush had a continuing war to work with and I feel he just got tired of fighting with these Democrat communists and it was understandable to just give up. How much can a human take? So it was not Bush but the communists running this Country, LIKE JUST NOW! What the hell is the matter with these so called experts?

23 posted on 05/31/2012 7:57:35 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Perhaps we shouldn’t be arguing over which PRESIDENT(s) have left us with huge or small messes, but with which CONGRESS(es) have left us with huge or small messes. The Democrats ran both Houses for W’s last two years and in those two years created the horrible economy that they insisted existed for the first 6 years of W’s Presidency. The Democrats resisted needed reforms in those two years and many economic metric downslides can be directly traced back to the Speakerships of Pelosi and Reid.


24 posted on 05/31/2012 7:58:32 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: apillar

I agree.

The nation hired a new manager who was asked to fix the mess (regardless of blame).

After three years, we see no progress towards a recovery.

We will change the manager again.


25 posted on 05/31/2012 8:00:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: elpadre

Remember, that the Democrats had both Houses the last two years of the Bush presidency

A guy made a video and a ton of voters thought the GOP were running everything and no clue that Democrats had both Houses


26 posted on 05/31/2012 8:00:49 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

There are degrees of “messes”. The country was in far better shape during Bush’s 8 yrs than the last four. So I don’t accept the premise that bush left a mess. The bank loan debacle was caused by liberals forcing banks to loan to people who couldn’t afford the loans. That wasn’t caused by Bush it was caused by people like Barney Frank.

Bush had a lot of faults but they pale in comparison to obama’s. That is the message they should convey.


27 posted on 05/31/2012 8:01:21 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Every Great Evil of the Obama Administration has had its roots in Bush’s bungling - from the “Patriot” Act, the “Transportation Security Agency”, “Islam is a peaceful religion”, to foregn policy blunders, failure to control Islam in the west, TARP and massive government spending.

America has had a plague of BAD Presidents - Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama - the WORST and HOPEFULLY last of the series.

Bolton is a brilliant man and is right on target.


28 posted on 05/31/2012 8:03:35 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: DManA

I can argue with that in many ways, but his second term was certainly a disaster. Failed presidents don’t typically win 2 terms. Carter is undoubtedly a failed president. I would call Bush 41 a bigger failure in many ways. one termer, failing to communicate to the people the foreign success and a turnaround to a growing economy.

With 43, we kept congressional majorities and grew it significantly in 2004 because the Republicans did quite well with the public 2001-2004. There were certainly many things I can be critical of in the first time, but it was overall a series of strong policy wins, and an historic response to 9/11 and re-positioning of our foreign affairs to address a new enemy.

The two things Bush and team were terrible with was communication and leadership on spending restraint. Had they done those two things, it would have been an historically strong presidency. Instead they lost control politically in year 5, and completely lost any narrative. The fact is, when Nancy Pelosi took the gavel in 1/07, every economic number was quite good. It wasn’t until the effects of a Democratic liberal majority happened that there was any downturn.


29 posted on 05/31/2012 8:05:08 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yeah, that 6% real unemployment was soooooo horrible under Bush.

Its much better at the 18%+ level that Obama gave us.


30 posted on 05/31/2012 8:05:26 AM PDT by kidd
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To: ZULU

JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford


31 posted on 05/31/2012 8:05:26 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Hodar

Two camps on that. Everything is Bush’s fault. And NOTHING is Bush’s fault.

Bush had 8 years and didn’t get the job done and we will pay dearly for his failure.


32 posted on 05/31/2012 8:05:29 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Here is the mess that I can see.
Did not stop illegal immigration.
Did not fix Social Security (kill SSI & SSDI)
Did not stop nation building. We now occupy Iraq, Afghanistan.
Did not fix trade imbalance. Could have applied tariffs to balance foreign value added taxes.
Did not define Islam as a malignant ideology.

As far as I can tell, Obama has increased the problem on all accounts.

33 posted on 05/31/2012 8:06:22 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

The President ALWAYS has the RIGHT and the RESPONSIBILITY to use a VETO pen and Bush II threatened to do just that if the English as an Official Language bill was passed.


34 posted on 05/31/2012 8:06:22 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Let’s not forget the real mess, both political and filthy, CLINTON left for Bush.


35 posted on 05/31/2012 8:07:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: clamper1797

Ouch!!!

We have had a lot of really BAD Presidents, haven’t we?

The fact that America did so well in the past DESPITE its idiot leadership is the best argument for the least involvement by government in the private and business lives of its citizens.


36 posted on 05/31/2012 8:08:46 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: StraightDave
The Democrats controlled all of Congress from Jan 2007 until Jan 2011 and still control the Senate. They deserve some of the blame. They increased Bush's budgets. He should have vetoed the spending increases, but the Dems wanted even more.

The prescription drug program, an unfund liability of $7.2 trillion, was one of Bush's biggest mistakes. Karl Rove was the "mastermind" by this as a way to preempt the Dems on their traditional issues. And same holds true with his No Child Left Behind, another expansion of federal power and funding.

37 posted on 05/31/2012 8:12:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: pgkdan
and also paid for two wars that I think were right and needed. Also, he built back the armed forces that had been seriously depleted during the Clinton years; built the US defense and anti-terror capabilities in both domestic and foreign arenas. Nurtured the nation back to overcome the 911 trauma, holding the economic sector together during which was tottering after the attack.

However you are correct on the domestic spending programs.

38 posted on 05/31/2012 8:15:19 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: MtnClimber

***The housing and financial mess happened under Bush,***

Actually, if you go back to the last year of the Clinton presidency, you will see the stock market going up-up-up (due to the Reagan-Bush policies)! Then in March or April it stalled then went into free fall and Clinton did nothing to stop it.
On 9-11 the Twin Towers were destroyed and the stock market went into another rough ride. It has been up-down since.

The housing and financial mess started under CARTER the Incompetent with the Community Reinvestment Act. Let’s not forget the 21% interest rates, the foreclosures of homes and businesses, and the failure of banks and credit unions at that time.


39 posted on 05/31/2012 8:17:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Every time I hear Obama say “We can't go back to the policies that got us into this mess in the first place” I want to ask him “Exactly what policies”? Nobody ever asks him and I have never heard him specify, in his opinion, what got us into this mess and what has he done to correct it. Anybody know?
40 posted on 05/31/2012 8:19:32 AM PDT by 12chachacha
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To: csmusaret
The GOP would have acted 'conservative'. 'They' only act that way when not in charge. Secondly, the GOP would have forced Gore/Kerry into acting like a Hawk. Though, I don't know if that would have been a good or bad thing.
41 posted on 05/31/2012 8:19:53 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; treetopsandroofs; grobdriver; csmusaret; Sir Napsalot; StraightDave; ...

Agree on this. Since 1988, the American voters have elected nothing but substandard politicians for President.


42 posted on 05/31/2012 8:26:53 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Bolton is only partially correct; he should have expanded on that blanket statement to put the real blame where it lies; the large government mentality. These political blame-game comments are NOT at all helpful, if we want to rid ourselves of the RaceMaxist and the wholly destructive big government albatross.

More harm than good, Bolton, by running your mouth for the Communitst Media.


43 posted on 05/31/2012 8:32:41 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I agree that Romney should move the debate forward and avoid letting Obama focus on the Bush record still.

If Obama insists, Romney could point out all the ways in which the stagflation economy Reagan inherited from Carter was far worse.

And then point out that Reagan won reelection because he fixed the problems, as he was elected to do.

Reagan didn't have to run for reelection by citing Carter's record.

44 posted on 05/31/2012 8:34:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Every President says this.


45 posted on 05/31/2012 8:37:36 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: apillar

Bravo! Wouldn’t hire the lazy, affirmative action, community organizer to run a lemonade stand.


46 posted on 05/31/2012 8:37:52 AM PDT by Bassfire (Remember the Alamo!)
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To: 12chachacha

Knowing that would be above his pay grade and also his ability.


47 posted on 05/31/2012 8:38:01 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: csmusaret

At least Bush was better than a despicable poser. Could you possible set the bar any lower?


48 posted on 05/31/2012 8:38:18 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Bush had 8 years and didn’t get the job done and we will pay dearly for his failure.

Yes. Bush had good intentions. But in the real world, intentions don't matter. It's results that matter. And as you said, Bush didn't get the job done.

Bush created two more Vietnams under his watch. Inexcusable. And the radical muslims are today bolder than ever. Why? Because Bush did not destroy them the way FDR destroyed the fascists. FDR was weak in regards to Stalin, but that's another story. FDR completely destroyed the fascists. Were there any armed nazi units running around, anywhere, after 1945? No! Bush should have followed that example, but didn't.

On domestic issues, I don't buy the excuse that the Dem's controlled Congress. Bush had the veto pen.

Sorry for the rant. But Bush could have accomplished so very much. Instead he broke the country, and I don't mean just financially.

49 posted on 05/31/2012 8:40:43 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The housing and financial mess started under CARTER the Incompetent with the Community Reinvestment Act.

I really wish the GOP would grow a ball and propose the repeal of the CRA. And when *they* inevitably brandish the "R" word in response, tell them to go f*** themselves: we're doing it anyway.

50 posted on 05/31/2012 8:46:31 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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