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Bush v. Gore judge: Your evidence, Mr. Obama
WND ^ | May 31, 2012 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 05/31/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

A hearing has been scheduled in a Florida court to allow attorneys representing the White House to support their claim that the term “natural born citizen” in the U.S. Constitution means something other than the offspring of two American citizens.

Judge Terry Lewis in Leon County has set a hearing for June 18 to consider arguments from both sides of a challenge to Obama’s name on the 2012 state election ballot.

Lewis is credited with making crucial rulings in the contested 2000 presidential election, when ultimately a Florida vote recount was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court and George W. Bush was declared the winner.

Attorney Larry Klayman’s law firm filed the challenge to Obama’s name on the ballot on behalf of Democrat Michael Voeltz, “a registered member of the Democrat Party, voter, and taxpayer in Broward County, who was an eligible elector for the Florida Primary of Jan. 31, 2012.”

Klayman told WND that during a hearing today on discovery issues in the case, Lewis noted that while Klayman’s brief cited a U.S. Supreme Court’s decision defining “natural born citizen” as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White House’s arguments provided no citations.

Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett from 1875.

Lewis ordered further briefing on the issue before the hearing.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: article2section1; ballotchallenge; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; happersett; ineligible; klayman; minor; minorvhappersett; naturalborncitizen; obama; usurper
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To: Nip; Rebelbase
On second thought, Leon County IS in the boonies!

Just kidding. I am a retired FL CPA (1985) and have lived off and on in South Florida for a total of ten years (east and west coast) but I admit I have never made it to Tallahassee.

BTW, here is a link to Judge Sauls’ Wakulla County:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakulla_County,_Florida

It is also in the boonies immediately south of Leon County, Population 28,000.

51 posted on 05/31/2012 8:57:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: sten
If you read the fine print, if Barry's mom was single (as she would be if her “marriage” was bigamous...which her marriage would be if BHO Sr was still married to Kezia back in Kenya at the time) there was no five year US residency requirement after age 14.

So Barry would be a citizen, but not NBC, if he was born in Kenya and if Stanley Ann was legally single.

A bigamous marriage is a nullity, IIRC, i.e. did not exist.

Note, also, that the BNA of 1948 explicitly excludes Barry from being a UK subject at birth anywhere if he was illegitimate, which he would have been if his parents marriage was bigamous. So no dual US-UK citizenship NBC problem if born in HI, just unitary US citizenship from his legally single mom, IIRC.

Smoke and mirrors as far as the eye can see beginning with no genuine BC submitted to any court under rules of evidence...so no verified parents or birth location!

52 posted on 05/31/2012 9:07:04 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

BUMP!


53 posted on 05/31/2012 9:13:37 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Obama is an unconstitutional illegal putative president. Quo Warranto in 2012)
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To: thecodont; Seizethecarp; hoosiermama; null and void; LucyT; butterdezillion; Danae; Spaulding; ...
Taitz in the Indiana case may have scored here against Obama.

Court subpoena.

"Indiana Court Subpoenas Obama To Appear And Show His Papers At Ballot Challenge Hearing? " Source ORYR.






Obama's face twitch may be now going into overdrive like a bobblehead doll. '-)

54 posted on 05/31/2012 9:14:55 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fantasywriter

See post #54 for new info. Taitz may have finally scored on Obama and the Foggers. LoL.


55 posted on 05/31/2012 9:18:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for sharing this.

Keep praying!


56 posted on 05/31/2012 9:20:35 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Red Steel

Would be so proud if one of our Bible bearing, gun toting Hoosier took him down.

He cheated here to get on the ballot. THen he manipulated the law to win the elector vote in the Hoosier state.

Add this to the Notre Dame lawsuit.....Hoosier payback is a 6itch.


57 posted on 05/31/2012 9:25:36 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: Seizethecarp

Klayman needs to cite MORE than just Minor v. Happersett. The Wong Kim Ark decision affirmed Minor’s definition of NBC and didn’t use the NBC term to characterize its appellant. Wong Kim Ark affirmed the 14th amendment does NOT define natural-born citizenship.

Further than this, Luria v. United States cites the Minor decision as a legal precedent on defining the eligibility clause as pertaining to “native citizens.” Luria does NOT cite Wong Kim Ark at all on this clause. It means that Minor is THE Supreme Court precedent. The one point, however, that needs to be explained is that Minor defined native citizens the exact same as natural-born citizens: as children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. It also needs to be explained that Minor reviewed ALL other ways to become a citizen, but it only characterized one class of citizens as natural-born.

Some Foggers point to the second class of birth citizenship in Minor, claiming the “doubt” leaves open the question of natural-born citizenship, but this is false. If there was a doubt about such persons being citizens, then resolving that doubt would require making a statutory interpretation that goes beyond the “NATURAL” part of the characterization of natural-born citizenship.

Further yet, Wong Kim Ark resolved the doubt expressed in Minor by affiriming the second class of birth citizens was a completely DIFFERENT class of citizenship than NBC, and that it only applies to the children of resident aliens who must have permanent residence and domicil. Obama’s father was not a resident alien (which is proved by his immigration files) and Obama’s mama’s citizenship is irrelevant under the WKA decision and under the legal precedent in Shanks v. Dupont that says the natural citizenship status of married women is governed by the Law of Nations.

This makes FOUR separate Supreme Court cases that preclude Obama from being Constituonally eligible. There is no higher judicial authority. Obama’s occupation of the White House is a de facto occupation, but is Constitutionally illegitimate. The smartest thing for the court to do is err on the side of the only known Supreme Court precedent, which means vacating Obama from the Florida ballot.


58 posted on 05/31/2012 9:26:15 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

I remember reading his initial court brief not too long ago. I had the same thought that he could have beefed it up a lot more.


59 posted on 05/31/2012 9:30:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Seizethecarp

In all the cases so far, no court of original jurisdiction has issued a ruling defining the term “Natural Born Citizen”. If this court rules on that specific issue, regardless of whether or not he finds that two citizen parents are required, the basic issue is subject to appeal. It would be better if the original ruling held that two citizen parents were required because Oboma would then have the burden of challenging a legitimate judicial decision. But in either event, if the case can ever be gotten on the appeal track, it will have to be argued on the basis of law, not politics or emotion.

The most important thing is to finally get a decision, one way or the other, on the core issue of what is required to be a “Natural Born Citizen”. While the U.S. Supreme Court is the only entity that can give a final answer to that question, they must have a case on appeal before they can take jurisdiction. Hopefully, this case may finally prove to be that vital first step.


60 posted on 05/31/2012 9:33:54 PM PDT by etcb
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To: Red Steel; TheOldLady; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; ...
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Bush v. Gore judge: Your evidence, Mr. Obama? (FL Judge Lewis challenges POTUS NBC status!)

Taitz in the Indiana case may have scored here against Obama. Court subpoena.

Article, then graphics at # 54.

Thanks, Red Steel.

61 posted on 05/31/2012 9:38:58 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: edge919
Problem has always been there is really no legal precedent for dealing with the eligibility of the POTUS.
BO has known this from the git=go and has taken advantage of it.
So we will continue to try again and again to get the right defendant, plaintiff and premise in front of the right judge. Eventually the right combination will come together.
62 posted on 05/31/2012 9:40:32 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: Semper911
How come WingNut Daily is the only one reporting on this?
Perhaps, instead, you should be asking why the MSM isn't reporting on this.
63 posted on 05/31/2012 9:41:12 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fantasywriter
I had a nice chat w one of them over here the other day. A real moonbat’s moonbat. Upon reflection,

Here is the 'real moonbat's moonbats' blowing a gasket at "Birthers". The Head Fogblower himself off his medication and making stuff up among other things.

64 posted on 05/31/2012 9:42:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It’s hard to ignore that 27 or more Supreme Court justices agreed on the one and only legal precedent. There’s no strong basis for creating a different basis for defining NBC when those 27 justices saw no need to do this themselves over a 40 year period of time.


65 posted on 05/31/2012 9:44:58 PM PDT by edge919
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping.


66 posted on 05/31/2012 9:47:41 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: kingu
"... included throwing out the electors for the vice president... Do you really want to have President Nancy Pelosi for any moment of time?"

The electors were valid. Even if the candidate is ineligible, people are voting for electors. The electors voted for Biden. No argument to throw that out. (Nobody voted for Obama in 2008 NOV. They voted for Obama electors.)

It still is mostly an impeachment case along with ballot access for this NOV.
67 posted on 05/31/2012 9:49:40 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: hoosiermama
Problem has always been there is really no legal precedent for dealing with the eligibility of the POTUS.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but it's a little awkwardly phrased. There is a legal precedent for defining presidential eligiblity. What we don't have is specifically defined process for enforcing Constitutional eligibility ... other than to keep ineligible candidates off of ballots at the state level. Courts have been involved in nullifying ineligible candidates and office holders before, but never at the presidential level. Congress is too partisan or too chicken to take matters properly into their hands, and courts obviously are just as hesitant. But there should be no reason for any state or court to hestitate about leaving a candidate off of a ballot if there's ANY doubt about that person's eligibility. If that candidate doesn't like it, he or she can sue for reinstatement on the ballot, which puts the burden of proof COMPLETELY on that candidate. If that were the case with Obama, he'd be gone yesterday because the Kenyan Coward™ cannot legally prove he is a natural-born citizen.

68 posted on 05/31/2012 9:52:07 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Red Steel
Pardon my ignorance... What are Foggers? What site are you talking about?

-PJ

69 posted on 05/31/2012 10:05:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

[...Joe Farah and Jerry Corsi for their work and dedication...]

I could not agree more. I would also add Canada Free Press, and even Donald Trump to the WND duo.

Think what you will of any one of them; their work, their credentials or their clout.

They have all spoken out on the eligibility issue without equivocation.

I laud them all!


70 posted on 05/31/2012 10:10:39 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Uncle Sham

Is there a state law in FLA which prevents ineligible people from being on the ballot?

If the law allows it, one would seem to be arguing that such a law violates the constitutional (which sounds silly). It might be unconstitutional for Obama to take office, but unconstitutional for FLA to put him on the ballot?

Kick him off the ballot and that forces Obambi to become the plaintiff.


71 posted on 05/31/2012 10:13:23 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: OrangeHoof

[..(as Trump says) Yuuuuuge!”

Now that is funny!


72 posted on 05/31/2012 10:13:35 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Red Steel; LucyT

Why has part of the original case # been scratched out and a different one hand written below it? Usually if a change is made on legal papers it has to be initialed showing who made the change.


73 posted on 05/31/2012 10:18:47 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for the pings! Your link went to Sideshow Carney blathering about how John McCain distanced himself from ‘extremists’. [The answer to which is: John McCain lost.] Did you also have a link to Foggy going nuts? I wouldn’t mind imbibing on a little of that.

I have to admit, though, I feel mostly concern and a little pity for Foggy after seeing his recent photos. He doesn’t look remotely healthy to me. I hope he gets some treatment. He really looks like he could use it.


74 posted on 05/31/2012 10:35:46 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Political Junkie Too
A bunch of dedicated OBots who troll the World Wide Web, and some of them run around the country to courtrooms to do what they can to defend Obama in his scores of eligibility cases. I'd say more than a few of them have been FR zotted trolls as examples are Jamese777 and LorenC. Their central home is Fogbow.com, but many of them run their own OBot websites like Barackryphal, RC Reality Check Radio Blog, Bad Fiction, dedicated to obfuscate and BS the public about Obama's Constitutional eligibility. I suspect Fogbow.com is actually funded by the Soros foundation network of organizations, which in-turn trickle down money to fund them. They have a dedicated FogBlow thread to their revered "The Boss," George Soros.
75 posted on 05/31/2012 10:58:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fantasywriter

That link I provided was the link to Foggy losing it. Check the “May 29, 2012 4:16 PM” posting.


76 posted on 05/31/2012 11:05:05 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: kingu
I think that if there was actually a decision on the matter, and I sincerely doubt there will be in my lifetime, that the SCOTUS would rule that the overriding power in the electoral process is the electoral college, and that if they decided after the election to turn around and make a six year old boy the president, it would be valid.

Hm, that'd be an interesting ruling from them. Especially since it would be a felony: because the Constitution does not allow the Supreme court to alter or amend it. Any attempt for them to do so is therefore equivalent to their declaration that the Constitution is no longer in effect, and therefore both advocates the overthrow of government AND provides aid and comfort to the enemies of the several States by invalidating [at least] one third of the federal government.

Note: Felonies are generally considered not to be "good behavior" as required by USSC Justices.

77 posted on 05/31/2012 11:11:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Fantasywriter
John McCain distanced himself from ‘extremists’. [The answer to which is: John McCain lost.]

McCain was such a bad Repub pres candidate that the Obama 2012 campaign are using McCain video clips from 2008 against Romney in a political ad.

78 posted on 05/31/2012 11:14:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Uncle Sham
Great analysis. How was Obama's eligibility proven to Congress without a valid long form birth certificate?

Hey Congress and SCOTUS, Obama failed to qualify. We have no proof who his mother was. No proof who his father was. We do not have a long form birth certificate. He has presented fraudulent documents purporting to be short form copies of a birth certificate. So what is your next step? What are you going to do? If he didn't qualify, he was illegally sworn in. His Presidency is null and void. So now what?

Who is Obama? Does anyone really know? Does the CIA?

79 posted on 05/31/2012 11:32:08 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Red Steel

Honestly, the first time I followed your link I got a snippet of Jay Carney. [Yuck!] The second time I got the Foggy post...don’t ask me how it happened.

I see what you mean. He did get OTT nasty. What a mouth he has on him. He must think if he uses enough crude language people will think he’s tough. It just makes me feel sorry for him. I wish he were intelligent enough to express himself w’out such juvenile language.


80 posted on 05/31/2012 11:32:08 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Red Steel
McCain was such a bad Repub pres candidate that the Obama 2012 campaign are using McCain video clips from 2008 against Romney in a political ad.

I'll give Obama's team props: that's a smart move, reminding people of just what the GOP's been offering as "good."
Romney is proof that they haven't learned not to pee in the soup. (i.e. Fight Club)

81 posted on 05/31/2012 11:35:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; Seizethecarp; Danae
"I bet Obama’s lawyers don’t even appear, nor will they be admonished for it."

Here, enjoy some mood music.

While you're grooving to the soulful sound of Ray Charles, ask yourself if you've ever heard a judge of any kind, anywhere, saying anything along these lines in a court of law?:

". . . Lewis noted that while Klayman’s brief cited a U.S. Supreme Court’s decision defining “natural born citizen” as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White House’s arguments provided no citations."

That got my attention. Even if 99 out of 100 attempts fail, all that's needed is the one success, and the gig is up for Zero.

Minor vs Happersett is very, very troubling for "Obama" and is the most logical reason for Justiagate.

Thanks for putting this up, Seizethecarp.

82 posted on 06/01/2012 12:02:13 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: kingu
If Øbozo were booted off ballots, I would hope the clear evidence of Democrat fraud would result in an elected change of power. There is no likelihood that anything (if anything) would be done concerning the four questionable years until, (as I said) after the election.

Last thing I heard, proven fraud is still a crime... With Pelosi having knowingly signed the fraudulent certifications of eligibility, (two different versions) she would be more likely headed for prison than for the White House.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is grounds for removal from office; it certainly should be grounds for exclusion from office.

I hope to live to see the Pelosi perp walk -- not her swearing-in!!!

83 posted on 06/01/2012 12:19:18 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: atc23
Do you think Joe Biden realizes that he is in fact the president of the United States?

Joe Biden doesn't even realize he is IN the United States.

84 posted on 06/01/2012 2:33:53 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Seizethecarp

And this one’s in a key swing state!


85 posted on 06/01/2012 3:07:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Seizethecarp

This judge better hire some added security, and change the routes he takes to work.

Breitbart is dead, too.


86 posted on 06/01/2012 4:26:35 AM PDT by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: ridesthemiles

I agree with the confusion with disqualifying BO. The main problem will be to stop him from stealing the rest of OUR money. He is redistributing but not to citizens. He is giving money to his friends. They have stolen billions and will continue to do so until BO and the Mooch are in prison.


87 posted on 06/01/2012 4:39:25 AM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: Old Sarge
"This judge better hire some added security, and change the routes he takes to work."

What he needs to do is contact Sheriff Arpaio and ask him for pointers and/or protection.

88 posted on 06/01/2012 4:42:22 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Red Steel

Obama’s face twitch may be now going into overdrive like a bobblehead doll. ‘-)

I hope his barber has a steady hand, or not!


89 posted on 06/01/2012 4:48:02 AM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: edge919; Red Steel; Fantasywriter
Yes edge, your interpretation/augmentation of my comment is correct. It is a state issue. IN targeting the SoS IMO is on target. (That why Soros had his little project)

Going around the barn to get to the hen-house keeps the chickens quiet till the fox is at the door.

Using BO lack of producing a legit/certified birth document in a court of law to trigger the desired outcome.

Let him sue the State of Indiana for ballot access after we've thrown his sorry donkey off.

90 posted on 06/01/2012 4:50:39 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: Seizethecarp

Actually Tallahassee is in Leon County. Hardly the boonies.
But we do have a bunch of counties named after Presidents past that are in the boonies.


91 posted on 06/01/2012 4:52:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: atc23

I think we don’t know that that is a fact. I understand that the electoral college cast ballots for both POTUS and VPOTUS separately but there is no other choice for VP because the party combines them. When WETP vote we are voting for a single ticket and not separate individuals as we did back in the day when the 20th was ratified.

But in theory you are correct. In fact I don’t think Joe knows anything....


92 posted on 06/01/2012 4:57:24 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Uncle Sham
It isn't known who his real father is or where he was born. We have yet to see a valid document stating such. It is precisely "that we don't know whether or not he is eligible to serve" that is the reason we do know he is not a legal President.

While I will agree that we really don't know who the sperm donor is he has told us who it is and I accept that, making him ineligible. If it is found out later that his daddy was a US Citizen then he committed fraud and is ineligible. Thank you for posting the 20th article for reference. I did that back in Oct '08. Of course it fell on blind eyes.

The Unqualified President

93 posted on 06/01/2012 5:07:25 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Red Steel
Fogbow;"before you can make a credible threat, first you have to find someone who's willing to die, because I am surely willing -- and quite able -- to kill."

Yikes, isn't that a legal problem?

94 posted on 06/01/2012 5:24:34 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Nip

Leon County is clearly just like LA....

Lower Alabama :)

Even though it’s the capital, it is the boonies. Lots o’ rednecks. I’m in Orlando and there is nothing there for the most part. Capital and FSU be damned!

They have no office market to speak of and that’s how I gauge a city!


95 posted on 06/01/2012 5:54:15 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Red Steel
I hate to put a damper on your parade, but where is the judge's signature?????

These appear to be the copies filed with the court pending the judge's signature. They are useless without him / her signing them.

96 posted on 06/01/2012 7:34:26 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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To: Red Steel

Orly continues to think Soebarkhan (son of)is a name. Someone needs to tell her it is not a last name.


97 posted on 06/01/2012 8:19:36 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: Seizethecarp
I would like the Florida judge to do at least one thing.

That is, I would like for him to say something like the following in court to both sides:

"Before I can make a decision, I want to see and examine a certified copy of President Obama's long form birth certificate, one that comes directly from Hawaii officials and not one that comes courtesy of President Obama and the White House. "

I think that such a statement would surely shake up the people at the White House just a little bit, if not more.

98 posted on 06/01/2012 8:20:34 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Attorney Larry Klayman’s Statement on Florida Ballot

http://is.gd/OsBNDd

So I looked at all this, looked at over 100 lost cases to date, looked at the solid opposition of Republicrat officials, media, courts, Congress, agencies, and still thought—I simply must do something. There must be at least one honest judge left in our troubled nation, one who will review the overwhelming evidence in a properly pleaded case and rule that this usurper doesn’t belong on the Florida ballot. We already have more than enough evidence to get Obama out—we simply need someone to do the right thing. I’ll do my part, if judges – and enough citizens – do theirs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCHO7azO4U


99 posted on 06/01/2012 8:29:44 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: john mirse
Absent legal discovery of evidence challenging authenticity of either of Barry's BCs, under the full faith and credit clause, a federal judge would be compelled to accept a certified copy of a BC from HI, either COLB or LFBC, if one were placed into evidence, but that simple act has never been undertaken by Barry's lawyers in any judicial proceeding.

State issued certified BCs (COLB or LFBC) are “self-authenticating” under the federal rules of evidence, but that is only a “prima facie” standard, meaning that the BCs could be challenged if sufficient evidence could be provided for a challenge.

It remains to be seen whether the Arpaio Posse probable cause evidence of forgery rises to a level that would prompt a federal judge to request examination of the “best evidence,” that being the 1961 record in the HI files (or whatever the heck HI has in the files).

100 posted on 06/01/2012 8:32:59 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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