Skip to comments.Bush v. Gore judge: Your evidence, Mr. Obama
Posted on 05/31/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
A hearing has been scheduled in a Florida court to allow attorneys representing the White House to support their claim that the term natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution means something other than the offspring of two American citizens.
Judge Terry Lewis in Leon County has set a hearing for June 18 to consider arguments from both sides of a challenge to Obamas name on the 2012 state election ballot.
Lewis is credited with making crucial rulings in the contested 2000 presidential election, when ultimately a Florida vote recount was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court and George W. Bush was declared the winner.
Attorney Larry Klaymans law firm filed the challenge to Obamas name on the ballot on behalf of Democrat Michael Voeltz, a registered member of the Democrat Party, voter, and taxpayer in Broward County, who was an eligible elector for the Florida Primary of Jan. 31, 2012.
Klayman told WND that during a hearing today on discovery issues in the case, Lewis noted that while Klaymans brief cited a U.S. Supreme Courts decision defining natural born citizen as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White Houses arguments provided no citations.
Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett from 1875.
Lewis ordered further briefing on the issue before the hearing.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Just kidding. I am a retired FL CPA (1985) and have lived off and on in South Florida for a total of ten years (east and west coast) but I admit I have never made it to Tallahassee.
BTW, here is a link to Judge Sauls’ Wakulla County:
It is also in the boonies immediately south of Leon County, Population 28,000.
So Barry would be a citizen, but not NBC, if he was born in Kenya and if Stanley Ann was legally single.
A bigamous marriage is a nullity, IIRC, i.e. did not exist.
Note, also, that the BNA of 1948 explicitly excludes Barry from being a UK subject at birth anywhere if he was illegitimate, which he would have been if his parents marriage was bigamous. So no dual US-UK citizenship NBC problem if born in HI, just unitary US citizenship from his legally single mom, IIRC.
Smoke and mirrors as far as the eye can see beginning with no genuine BC submitted to any court under rules of evidence...so no verified parents or birth location!
"Indiana Court Subpoenas Obama To Appear And Show His Papers At Ballot Challenge Hearing? " Source ORYR.
Obama's face twitch may be now going into overdrive like a bobblehead doll. '-)
See post #54 for new info. Taitz may have finally scored on Obama and the Foggers. LoL.
Thanks for sharing this.
Would be so proud if one of our Bible bearing, gun toting Hoosier took him down.
He cheated here to get on the ballot. THen he manipulated the law to win the elector vote in the Hoosier state.
Add this to the Notre Dame lawsuit.....Hoosier payback is a 6itch.
Klayman needs to cite MORE than just Minor v. Happersett. The Wong Kim Ark decision affirmed Minor’s definition of NBC and didn’t use the NBC term to characterize its appellant. Wong Kim Ark affirmed the 14th amendment does NOT define natural-born citizenship.
Further than this, Luria v. United States cites the Minor decision as a legal precedent on defining the eligibility clause as pertaining to “native citizens.” Luria does NOT cite Wong Kim Ark at all on this clause. It means that Minor is THE Supreme Court precedent. The one point, however, that needs to be explained is that Minor defined native citizens the exact same as natural-born citizens: as children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. It also needs to be explained that Minor reviewed ALL other ways to become a citizen, but it only characterized one class of citizens as natural-born.
Some Foggers point to the second class of birth citizenship in Minor, claiming the “doubt” leaves open the question of natural-born citizenship, but this is false. If there was a doubt about such persons being citizens, then resolving that doubt would require making a statutory interpretation that goes beyond the “NATURAL” part of the characterization of natural-born citizenship.
Further yet, Wong Kim Ark resolved the doubt expressed in Minor by affiriming the second class of birth citizens was a completely DIFFERENT class of citizenship than NBC, and that it only applies to the children of resident aliens who must have permanent residence and domicil. Obama’s father was not a resident alien (which is proved by his immigration files) and Obama’s mama’s citizenship is irrelevant under the WKA decision and under the legal precedent in Shanks v. Dupont that says the natural citizenship status of married women is governed by the Law of Nations.
This makes FOUR separate Supreme Court cases that preclude Obama from being Constituonally eligible. There is no higher judicial authority. Obama’s occupation of the White House is a de facto occupation, but is Constitutionally illegitimate. The smartest thing for the court to do is err on the side of the only known Supreme Court precedent, which means vacating Obama from the Florida ballot.
I remember reading his initial court brief not too long ago. I had the same thought that he could have beefed it up a lot more.
In all the cases so far, no court of original jurisdiction has issued a ruling defining the term “Natural Born Citizen”. If this court rules on that specific issue, regardless of whether or not he finds that two citizen parents are required, the basic issue is subject to appeal. It would be better if the original ruling held that two citizen parents were required because Oboma would then have the burden of challenging a legitimate judicial decision. But in either event, if the case can ever be gotten on the appeal track, it will have to be argued on the basis of law, not politics or emotion.
The most important thing is to finally get a decision, one way or the other, on the core issue of what is required to be a “Natural Born Citizen”. While the U.S. Supreme Court is the only entity that can give a final answer to that question, they must have a case on appeal before they can take jurisdiction. Hopefully, this case may finally prove to be that vital first step.
Bush v. Gore judge: Your evidence, Mr. Obama? (FL Judge Lewis challenges POTUS NBC status!)
Taitz in the Indiana case may have scored here against Obama. Court subpoena.
Article, then graphics at # 54.
Thanks, Red Steel.
Here is the 'real moonbat's moonbats' blowing a gasket at "Birthers". The Head Fogblower himself off his medication and making stuff up among other things.
It’s hard to ignore that 27 or more Supreme Court justices agreed on the one and only legal precedent. There’s no strong basis for creating a different basis for defining NBC when those 27 justices saw no need to do this themselves over a 40 year period of time.
Thanks for the ping.
I think I understand what you're trying to say, but it's a little awkwardly phrased. There is a legal precedent for defining presidential eligiblity. What we don't have is specifically defined process for enforcing Constitutional eligibility ... other than to keep ineligible candidates off of ballots at the state level. Courts have been involved in nullifying ineligible candidates and office holders before, but never at the presidential level. Congress is too partisan or too chicken to take matters properly into their hands, and courts obviously are just as hesitant. But there should be no reason for any state or court to hestitate about leaving a candidate off of a ballot if there's ANY doubt about that person's eligibility. If that candidate doesn't like it, he or she can sue for reinstatement on the ballot, which puts the burden of proof COMPLETELY on that candidate. If that were the case with Obama, he'd be gone yesterday because the Kenyan Coward cannot legally prove he is a natural-born citizen.
[...Joe Farah and Jerry Corsi for their work and dedication...]
I could not agree more. I would also add Canada Free Press, and even Donald Trump to the WND duo.
Think what you will of any one of them; their work, their credentials or their clout.
They have all spoken out on the eligibility issue without equivocation.
I laud them all!
Is there a state law in FLA which prevents ineligible people from being on the ballot?
If the law allows it, one would seem to be arguing that such a law violates the constitutional (which sounds silly). It might be unconstitutional for Obama to take office, but unconstitutional for FLA to put him on the ballot?
Kick him off the ballot and that forces Obambi to become the plaintiff.
[..(as Trump says) Yuuuuuge!”
Now that is funny!
Why has part of the original case # been scratched out and a different one hand written below it? Usually if a change is made on legal papers it has to be initialed showing who made the change.
Thanks for the pings! Your link went to Sideshow Carney blathering about how John McCain distanced himself from ‘extremists’. [The answer to which is: John McCain lost.] Did you also have a link to Foggy going nuts? I wouldn’t mind imbibing on a little of that.
I have to admit, though, I feel mostly concern and a little pity for Foggy after seeing his recent photos. He doesn’t look remotely healthy to me. I hope he gets some treatment. He really looks like he could use it.
That link I provided was the link to Foggy losing it. Check the “May 29, 2012 4:16 PM” posting.
Hm, that'd be an interesting ruling from them. Especially since it would be a felony: because the Constitution does not allow the Supreme court to alter or amend it. Any attempt for them to do so is therefore equivalent to their declaration that the Constitution is no longer in effect, and therefore both advocates the overthrow of government AND provides aid and comfort to the enemies of the several States by invalidating [at least] one third of the federal government.
Note: Felonies are generally considered not to be "good behavior" as required by USSC Justices.
McCain was such a bad Repub pres candidate that the Obama 2012 campaign are using McCain video clips from 2008 against Romney in a political ad.
Hey Congress and SCOTUS, Obama failed to qualify. We have no proof who his mother was. No proof who his father was. We do not have a long form birth certificate. He has presented fraudulent documents purporting to be short form copies of a birth certificate. So what is your next step? What are you going to do? If he didn't qualify, he was illegally sworn in. His Presidency is null and void. So now what?
Who is Obama? Does anyone really know? Does the CIA?
Honestly, the first time I followed your link I got a snippet of Jay Carney. [Yuck!] The second time I got the Foggy post...don’t ask me how it happened.
I see what you mean. He did get OTT nasty. What a mouth he has on him. He must think if he uses enough crude language people will think he’s tough. It just makes me feel sorry for him. I wish he were intelligent enough to express himself w’out such juvenile language.
I'll give Obama's team props: that's a smart move, reminding people of just what the GOP's been offering as "good."
Romney is proof that they haven't learned not to pee in the soup. (i.e. Fight Club)
Here, enjoy some mood music.
While you're grooving to the soulful sound of Ray Charles, ask yourself if you've ever heard a judge of any kind, anywhere, saying anything along these lines in a court of law?:
". . . Lewis noted that while Klaymans brief cited a U.S. Supreme Courts decision defining natural born citizen as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White Houses arguments provided no citations."
That got my attention. Even if 99 out of 100 attempts fail, all that's needed is the one success, and the gig is up for Zero.
Minor vs Happersett is very, very troubling for "Obama" and is the most logical reason for Justiagate.
Thanks for putting this up, Seizethecarp.
Last thing I heard, proven fraud is still a crime... With Pelosi having knowingly signed the fraudulent certifications of eligibility, (two different versions) she would be more likely headed for prison than for the White House.
"High crimes and misdemeanors" is grounds for removal from office; it certainly should be grounds for exclusion from office.
I hope to live to see the Pelosi perp walk -- not her swearing-in!!!
Joe Biden doesn't even realize he is IN the United States.
And this one’s in a key swing state!
This judge better hire some added security, and change the routes he takes to work.
Breitbart is dead, too.
I agree with the confusion with disqualifying BO. The main problem will be to stop him from stealing the rest of OUR money. He is redistributing but not to citizens. He is giving money to his friends. They have stolen billions and will continue to do so until BO and the Mooch are in prison.
What he needs to do is contact Sheriff Arpaio and ask him for pointers and/or protection.
Obama’s face twitch may be now going into overdrive like a bobblehead doll. ‘-)
I hope his barber has a steady hand, or not!
Going around the barn to get to the hen-house keeps the chickens quiet till the fox is at the door.
Using BO lack of producing a legit/certified birth document in a court of law to trigger the desired outcome.
Let him sue the State of Indiana for ballot access after we've thrown his sorry donkey off.
Actually Tallahassee is in Leon County. Hardly the boonies.
But we do have a bunch of counties named after Presidents past that are in the boonies.
I think we don’t know that that is a fact. I understand that the electoral college cast ballots for both POTUS and VPOTUS separately but there is no other choice for VP because the party combines them. When WETP vote we are voting for a single ticket and not separate individuals as we did back in the day when the 20th was ratified.
But in theory you are correct. In fact I don’t think Joe knows anything....
While I will agree that we really don't know who the sperm donor is he has told us who it is and I accept that, making him ineligible. If it is found out later that his daddy was a US Citizen then he committed fraud and is ineligible. Thank you for posting the 20th article for reference. I did that back in Oct '08. Of course it fell on blind eyes.
Yikes, isn't that a legal problem?
Leon County is clearly just like LA....
Lower Alabama :)
Even though it’s the capital, it is the boonies. Lots o’ rednecks. I’m in Orlando and there is nothing there for the most part. Capital and FSU be damned!
They have no office market to speak of and that’s how I gauge a city!
These appear to be the copies filed with the court pending the judge's signature. They are useless without him / her signing them.
Orly continues to think Soebarkhan (son of)is a name. Someone needs to tell her it is not a last name.
That is, I would like for him to say something like the following in court to both sides:
"Before I can make a decision, I want to see and examine a certified copy of President Obama's long form birth certificate, one that comes directly from Hawaii officials and not one that comes courtesy of President Obama and the White House. "
I think that such a statement would surely shake up the people at the White House just a little bit, if not more.
Attorney Larry Klayman’s Statement on Florida Ballot
So I looked at all this, looked at over 100 lost cases to date, looked at the solid opposition of Republicrat officials, media, courts, Congress, agencies, and still thoughtI simply must do something. There must be at least one honest judge left in our troubled nation, one who will review the overwhelming evidence in a properly pleaded case and rule that this usurper doesnt belong on the Florida ballot. We already have more than enough evidence to get Obama outwe simply need someone to do the right thing. Ill do my part, if judges and enough citizens do theirs.
State issued certified BCs (COLB or LFBC) are “self-authenticating” under the federal rules of evidence, but that is only a “prima facie” standard, meaning that the BCs could be challenged if sufficient evidence could be provided for a challenge.
It remains to be seen whether the Arpaio Posse probable cause evidence of forgery rises to a level that would prompt a federal judge to request examination of the “best evidence,” that being the 1961 record in the HI files (or whatever the heck HI has in the files).