Skip to comments.Bush v. Gore judge: Your evidence, Mr. Obama
Posted on 05/31/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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Then why was it used on a U.S. passport application form??
That used to be true.
If you look at the passport article it states, place names and state relationship.
She placed Obama and soebarkah (son of) Lolo Soetoro.
Paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact wording. It is here but I can’t get into the website right now for some reason. webofdeception.com/obamamotherpassports.html
Maybe you're not understanding ... this was a U.S. passport application, not an Indonesian passport application. The person(s) processing it wouldn't likely speak Indonesian. So again, why would she do this on a U.S. passport application if it's not part of how he was being formally identified??
The attorney for the defendant, Obama, states he will not participate or provide subpoenaed material.
The Georgia Secretary of State says such action will be at the attorneys and his clients peril.
The hearing proceeds with the only evidence and testimony presented being against the defendant.
One week later, the Judge finds in favor of the defendant.
Don't get your hopes up.
So he's going after the two parent rule. The sticking point in the definition may be the naturalization period and the status of children born in the country during naturalization because it affects both Rubio and Jindal who were born here during their parents' naturalization. Obama's father on the other hand never naturalized and was always a foreign national.
I don’t. I’m very well aware of the track record of the lack of conviction from the US courts.
Could be... he's a flaming OBot off his medication, and is fearing what Arpaio has on Obama who will expose him around mid-June. So village OBot, Foggy of Fogbow.com, is feeling that his delusional world could be coming to an end.
I felt very alone back in 08 when I realized that Zero was not an NBC. In October of 08 I was hopeful that Congress would do it's duty. See link in comment here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2890122/posts?page=93#93
As time has passed we have been thinking it will break open any day now, and we have been disappointing. But I think we are at a point now where it is simply getting too big to ignore. Millions of Americans now know he is a fraud. Congress may have to deal with this before the election.
“Absent legal discovery of evidence challenging authenticity of either of Barry’s BCs, under the full faith and credit clause, a federal judge would be compelled to accept a certified copy of a BC from HI, either COLB or LFBC...”
I think that’s correct. But since Hawaiian officials have already said that the data on the COLB and on the LFBC match what’s in their records, it seems to me that the best way to counter that is by coming up with admissible evidence that Pres. Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.
I wonder, is the Arpaio posse working on that?
Where is this passport? I have not seen it.
This is the only one I know of. http://is.gd/NGf7Wd
It reads, amend to include or (exclude) children. She excluded son (Soebarkah) She was not applying for her sons passport renewal. Just hers.
Soe Bar Kah means literally Who is this, but the son of Soetoro. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2728155/posts
“I wonder, is the Arpaio posse working on that?”
Arpaio and Zullo have alluded to “traveling” to numerous locations perhaps including foreign locations in pursuit of evidence.
The problem with foreign birth evidence, such as Kenyan evidence, is that under the rules of evidence a foreign BC must be authenticated by the authorities of the country of birth and testimony of Kenyan officials would be very problematic either way given the traditions of corruption and jockying between pro-Luo and anti-Luo factions.
Or that his masters will be displeased with him for failing to stop the rebels.
But not so much the Canadians, which is the direction I lean.
I’ve seen so many of these subpoenae which are just forms printed out by Taitz. Do we know if the judge actually signed off on this?
“...a foreign BC must be authenticated by the authorities...”
I agree, and obtaining a valid Kenyan BC might be something that occurs relatively late in the process.
Still, as far as I’m concerned, there are plenty of details yet to be established. I mean, why the assumption that a Kenyan birth must have taken place in Mombassa? Is there reason to believe that, or is it just something someone said that caught on? What about the means of travel in 1961? Can’t any part of the journey be reconstructed?
I know these are tricky details to uncover, but it’s been four years and I’m not aware of any serious effort to do it. If Trump is really interested in putting up money to help Romney, it would be relatively cheap to hire a couple of hot-shot investigators who might finally get somewhere.
If you are suggesting that Soebarkah was not a name but some sort of comment on the form, you are confused. Soebarkah was the Indonesian name for the child Obama. It is common in Indonesia to have a single name.
I have come to the conclusion that all the main stream media (including FOX) have there reputations riding on them not finding out the truth. Just look at how many newscasters that say Obama is a natural born citizen. If and when the truth ever comes out a lot of these guys will have it hanging over there heads for life.
“Here is an idea for Trump if he wants to show up Obama...”
Well, feel free to suggest it to Trump, but to me that looks too much like one more publicity stunt, just the kind of thing that makes people say, why not put the money into a real investigation and come up with solid facts?
The people that need to be convinced want to see legal evidence. Trump should support an investigation that will turn up credible, admissible evidence — and, in my opinion, there is little to be gained at this point on the Hawaiian end. Evidence needs to be found concerning his birth elsewhere, Kenya or wherever it was.
Corsi claims the grandmother said in clear Swahili that Barry was born in Mombasa while his mom was visiting the grandmother's relatives there.
Corsi also published in his book images of claimed secret Kenyan government documents describing how when the government conducted a search for Barry's BC, the Mombasa birth record files were stolen for the dates surrounding the dates of the expected birth.
Other Kenyan docs published by Corsi show that the Bush Administration had requested the search for Barry's birth records in Kenya. Perhaps that was as a result of his extensive history of claiming to have been born there.
How much of this ever ends up in federal court remains to be seen.
“There have been long threads with claims of evidence...”
Yes, that’s exactly my point. There are “claims of evidence,” and they can be found on “long threads” here.
Can’t the evidence be tracked down? Can’t it be documented? Can’t the good, solid stuff be separated from the garbage so that there aren’t long threads with claims of evidence, but rather a concise presentation of nothing but solid, irrefutable evidence?
Why has no one done that? What’s so friggin’ hard about it? I honestly believe that if Trump wanted it to be done, it would be done. This is not a big job for a competent investigator, especially if the preliminary work has already been done.
Do you have a link to that information?
Which information? The first part is on the records you have already seen. The second part is personal knowledge. I can try to find a link if you like.
Here you go. Took about five seconds to find it on Google:
Yes, that’s the one I was referring to. It doesn’t ask for a relationship. That section is specifically for children. The passport application is a U.S. application. Soebarkah, Soetoro and Jakarta are the only “Indonesian” words on there, so there’s nothing her that would presume that it’s not part of how the child was identified ... i.e., a name or nickname.
I know. That's why the "mood music" link was to Ray Charles singing "Georgia On My Mind."
This elegantly circular argument between the "Birthers," and the "Constitutionalists," should keep you busy until the cows come home, Uncle Sham. It is also, IMNSVHO, the crux of Team Obama's strategy for de-fanging the issue of constitutional eligibility. Obama cannot prove he was born in Hawaii. Apparently, we can't prove he wasn't. He has admitted that his father was a foreign subject. "But without a genuine BC," you say, "how can we figure out exactly who the papa was?"
Rather than rule one way or tother, the courts, up to and including The Supreme Court have decided that the whole issue isn't worth their time. Sheriff Joe has proof of documentary chicanery ... but nowhere to take it. In the meantime Rubio and Jindal are being bruited about as VP candidates. That, IMNSVHO, means that neither party is interested in constitutional eligibility at this time.
Suffice it to say, that with 5 months to go until the election, this whole fandango just might be a classic misdirection, a waste of bandwidth, and a tremendous gift to Obama's re-election campaign. Just what is a reasonable fellow to do?
IMNSVHO, fuggedaboutit. Let's concentrate on job 1,
In re: We have yet to see a valid document
TRUE.WE have yet to see one, yet those in authority to challenge the documents have accepted them. Perhaps, just maybe, I hope, that after the Magic Marxist Mombasa Mulatto leaves office, the black-robed bumkissers of our judicial branch will bestir themselves to look at the ENTIRE citizenship issue ... after that is, they feel the threat of "urban unrest" has past. For example, IMNSVHO, the consummately stupid and pernicious custom of awarding citizenship to the offspring of those here illegally, the children of legal non-citizen residents, or the children born to visitors on a tourist visa, has absolutely no basis in law.
If, in fact, he has been since day one, our entire government has been stolen from us.
The states vary as to how they address this issue but in general have been far too lax. I don't know about Florida, but it seems anyone can run for anything and get away with it unless a challenge is put forth from the citizens or opponents, etc. This is opposite the way it should be. Challenges, and with them, the burden of proof, should be from those seeking placement upon the ballot. This way, the the eligibility issue would be legally addressed PRIOR to allowing someone on the ballot, whatever the office, especially the office of President.
If they won't do this they could pass a "Usurper Protection" Law which would require verification of compliance with the Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 before any signed legislation is obeyed by the state with such a law. This would make certain that Congress was doing its duty as well as protect that states citizens from the actions of a usurper. Since such a law would essentially be supporting enforcement of the Constitution, I don't see how it could be ruled unconstitutional.
So Obama used his adopted name “son of Soetoro” in Indonesia? I wonder if that is the name on the passport he used no one is allowed to see.
The argument should be between the "qualified" or "failed to qualify" part of the Twentieth Amendment, Section 3. Yes or no, did he, or didn't he? Our members of Congress need to be asked this question and provided an opportunity to show we the people why the answer is what it is. "I don't know" is an answer breaking their oath of office. "No, he didn't" is an answer that they have not only broken their oaths of office but have been complicit in committing treason against their country.
Sheriff Joe needs to question the entire Arizona congressional delegation and get their answers to the "qualified" or failed to qualify" question. Put John McCain first in line.
She did it because Lolo Soetoro was the Indonesian legal adopting father of litlle barry bastard mooselimb commie. She put that title on the form because Barry was LEGALLY the adopted son of Lolo Soetoro.
We are witnessing the SCOTUS of the pirate Roberts kicking the bastard can down the road. The plan appears to be to allow some challenged to little barry’s eligibility to proceed, slowly, until the election is over, the swearing in aof another President has happened and thus the eligibility of the past occupant is a mute point. Don’t expect the Roberts court to uphold or defend the Constitution when he was placed at the helm for the specific reason to circumvent OUR Constitution as the new world order takes gradual control of America via fiat treaties and fraudulent rulings. we will be maneuvered into the same usurpation now in evidence in the EU if we do not stop these traitors. Look at traitors like Trent Lott and how he has sold US out to the UN Treaty of The Seas! What must the democrats and their power bosses hold in a file that makes Trent Lott so easy to flip to their NWO agenda? RINOs will be the aide de camps for the democrat abortion of the Republic.
There is sufficient doubt ... DOUBT ....NOT exactly PROOF ... that this strange fellow who is living in the White House may not be as advertised. That alone is enough for any state AG, or SoS to simply do his job and ask for the fellow to come up with some bona fides.
The fact that this was not done in 2006,2007, 2008, and is not done now is the cause of this problematic person in office.
Twentieth Amendment, Section 3. Yes or no, did he, or didn't he?
Uncle Sham, this simple-enough question has been put to innumerable REPUBLICAN elected officials ... by me among others ... and the answer is quite reliable.
They all reply, with a straight face, "He was born in Hawaii," as if the Constitutional Requirements somehow involve sun, sand, surfing and tiny bubbles in the wine.
In the meantime, the country is going to hell in a handbasket and the topic is off limits.
This document is what is missing, has always been missing, and has been the driving force behind all these digital compilations the WH has tried to pass off as "copies of the BC on file."
Unfortunately, the courts in which the fakes have been presented, tend to accept them!
One more time for Rio Linda: What Team Obama presented was not a "Certified Copy of a Birth Certificate on file in with the HIDOH."
What Team Obama received from HI was a digitized collection ABSTRACTED from data on file at the HIDOH. It was an ABSTRACT. An abstract is not legally the complete record. Therefore it is not as legally demanding as a "Certified Copy of a BC on file." What Team Obama released was a copy of some, or all of that abstracted data, digitally reassembled by the WH to look like a Birth Certificate.
Think of a DIY Car Title. You take the VIN from one file, the make and model from another, the year and color from yet another, the former owners from somewhere else, the state seal from some dog license or other. Then using your trusty MAC, you cut and paste all of this on an official background scanned in from another document, or from safety paper. Hey-ho. From 15 yards away, looks a whole lot like a car title!
Try that at your DMV!
Stolen as surely as November 22, ‘63 but by a different group. It’s almost apparent that the KGB may have installed an agent in the White House with the assistance of certain folks from Hyannisport and Chicago.
“That’s why I’ve been making the point that the best way to cast doubt on the Hawaiian BCs is to present solid evidence showing that he was born somewhere else.”
That’s a terrible point. That’s the same thing as asking to prove a negative.
Do you think a Kenyan birth certificate would fly? Even if you had THE REAL one, you wouldn’t have standing to present it in court.
sten has it exactly right. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, as in effect in 1961 when Barack Obama II was born, required ten years residence in the United States, five of which were after the age of fourteen, for a U.S. citizen married to an alien to impart her (or his) U.S. citizenship to their foreign-born child.
U.S. citizen Anna (Dunham) Obama was 117 days short of the residence requirement for imparting her U.S. citizenship to her Kenyan-born child with non-U.S. citizen Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr..
The Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya, Certificate of Live Birth, procured by Lucas Smith, has no apparent disqualification.
The purported State of Hawaii Department of Health COLB (Certification, a computer abstract) and long form Certificate of Birth are each littered with such obvious fakery that one doubts the competency of the likes of Jess Henig and Joe Miller. One can get better documents for $100 from José in Tijuana or Manuel in Juarez, with a Social Security Number that will pass e-Verify thrown in for a few dollars more.
You wrote, “Just what is a reasonable fellow to do?”
Get a sturdy old barge, stock it with enough food and water for years, gather one’s immediate family, and embark onto the Pacific to search for some enchanted uncharted island where Western (Christian) Civilization can be nurtured and maintained until the Lord returns?
It worked for Noah... and I don’t know what else to do.
For years, praying has certainly been a bust.
Hawaii having been an independent Kingdom in ye olden days, this endows those claiming to have been born there with mystical powers over the finite universe, which Obama has now demonstrated to my ample satisfaction.
Chief Justice Roberts explained this all to me before I blew town. It's the Kahuna Klause of the Konstitution. This will all be made clear to you during La Presidencia of Marco Rubio, (VP Bobby Jindal). Except for vicious racism, both of these worthy gentlemen could have been potentially born in Hawaii, which ipso facto, QED, makes them Natural Born Citizens.
Me? I shall be delivering pizza in Townsville, Australia in my Holden van.
Well then, now we could try fasting. BTW, I tire of your negativity. If a gay Indonesian cannot become POTUS, what then is the point of the United States of America?
In the meantime, if you want the best pizza in Townsville Australia delivered to your door, please call.
I hope you can learn the Australian language...
All I can find on the Florida 6/18/2012 hearing - no news stories and the article itself doesn't seem to hint when a ruling might occur, just that the parties can submit more arguments ... Sigh.