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Wednesday, May 30, 2012 Armed EPA Agents Visit Ashville Man
Right Side News ^ | 5/31/2012 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 06/01/2012 3:46:37 AM PDT by IbJensen

Sometimes a small incident says volumes about a large government agency. In this case the Environmental Protection Agency.

Around 1.45 PM on May 23, Ashville, North Carolina resident Larry Keller was in the midst of an international call which he had to cut short in order to answer his front door. He found two armed agents of the EPA who were accompanied by an Ashville Police officer.

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According to a May 24 news story in the Ashville Tribune, a weekly newspaper to which I am a contributing columnist, the agents had blocked his and his neighbor’s driveways with their cars. They had driven all the way from Raleigh to confront him.

What had he done? The unannounced visit had been occasioned by news that Dr. Al Armendariz, a regional EPA administrator whose 2010 lecture had been videotaped and been released by the office of Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) on April 25th. In the lecture, Dr. Amendariz had said that the agency’s “general philosophy” was to “crucify” oil and gas producers.

He compared the agency’s “philosophy of enforcement” to the way, as a Wall Street Journal editorial reported, “Romans used to conquer little villages in the Mediterranean. “They’d go into a little Turkish town somewhere, they’d find the first five guys they saw and they would crucify them, And then you know that town was really easy to manage for the next few years. The point is to ‘make examples’ of alleged lawbreakers.”

The case in point had been Range Resources, a driller who had been exonerated of charges of water pollution as the result of fracking. As the Wall Street Journal noted, the reference to executions “raise(d) questions not only about” not only Dr. Arnendariz’s comments “but the EPA’s larger impartiality and judgment.”

Keller, who describes himself as “a bit of a political activist” had emailed the EPA Director of External Affairs, Dr. David Gray, saying “Hello Mr. Gray. Do you have Mr. Armendariz’s contact information so we can say hello?”

That was enough to dispatch two armed agents to his front door. He was told by one agent that “…my choice of words in the email could be interpreted in many ways.” They did not identify themselves, but asked if he had ever been arrested. He responded swiftly that he had not. When he asked for a copy of his email, they refused to provide it because “the case was still under investigation.”

His wife arrived home and the agents did not want a witness so “They left in a big hurry.”

The Ashville Tribune by Catherine Hunter quoted Keller who described their attitude as "accusatory" reporting that he compared "their tactics to those of Nazi Germany SS methods.”

Keller contacted the agent’s supervisor, Michael Hill, and was told that the incident with Dr. Armendariz “had prompted so many emails and calls that authorities in Washington, DC ordered an investigation.”

Keller’s email inquiry to contact Dr. Armendariz was treated as a threat when it clearly was not. Since when is trying to contact an EPA administrator a crime?

“I want the world to know,” said Keller, “the government is reaching into the privacy of our homes and computers. I’ve never been so offended by the power of government in my life.”

Do we really want an EPA that uses such tactics against a citizen who has merely indicated an interest in contacting one of their administrators to comment on what he had said during a lecture?

Do we really want an EPA whose working “philosophy” regarding the oil and gas industry is to “crucify” it in order to regulate it and, as we know, is trying to thwart drilling, as well as to end the coal industry that provides an energy resource that produces one half of all the electricity in the nation?

It is, as noted, just one small incident, but it reflects the way the EPA functions in a presumably free society. Over the years I have read of many incidents in which the EPA has asserted powers to impede the most innocent actions of citizens and it is long past the time when this agency is reined in by Congress.

The only option at this point is to rid the nation of the Obama administration, crack down on the EPA, and rid us of the threat it poses in its efforts to deny entire industries from providing the energy the nation requires and attacks our agricultural and ranching communities for practices that reflect its normal operation.

As they used to advertise horror films, “Be afraid. Be very afraid.” An EPA that operates on the basis of intimidating its chosen enemies and that seeks to intimidate citizens inquiring about it, is reason enough to be afraid.


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KEYWORDS: evilobamaregime; gestapotactics
The Federal Government has been taking away your rights for years, one little, seemingly inconsequential piece at a time while giving you "free" stuff. You took it. You didn't complain then. Why act surprised or offended now. You chose to take the relief and traded in your independence and freedom.

It's a little late to complain. And don't insult my...or your own...intelligence by acting surprised.

1 posted on 06/01/2012 3:46:49 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

A second Obama term will improve the EPA’s tactics.


2 posted on 06/01/2012 3:59:23 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: IbJensen

First they came for my pot...

Then they came for my hookers...

Then they came for my guns...

Then they came for my toothpaste at the airport...

Then they came for the creek that runs through my property...

Then they came for my raw milk...

Now they are coming for my opinions...

This is why I am against the war on drugs. This is what it started, and this is the end result.

Those that are willing to sacrifice liberty for security will end up with neither one


3 posted on 06/01/2012 4:02:37 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: IbJensen

Drip...Drip...Drip...


4 posted on 06/01/2012 4:04:35 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: IbJensen

this is an interesting topic.

the article is not easy to follow - but i think the guy Keller [the ordinary citizen affronted by the epa visit] got in trouble by emailing someone not in the epa?


5 posted on 06/01/2012 4:06:28 AM PDT by Principled
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To: joe fonebone

There was a movie called “Reefer Madness”. All my contemporaries laughed at it.

The Swiss and Swedish government did decade long studies of teenagers and who smoked pot and what happened to them as adults.

600% chance of developing schizophrenia as an adult.

See: http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html

Yes, our government reserves the right to protect the health and welfare of its citizens. What they can’t protect you from is your own stupidity.


6 posted on 06/01/2012 4:09:35 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll

My my SD..aren’t we a little bootlicker...

George Washington was growing hemp at Mount Vernon three years
later—presumably for its fiber, though it has been argued that
Washington was also concerned to increase the medicinal or
intoxicating potency of his marijuana plants.*

The asterisk footnote:
* The argument depends on a curious tradition, which may
or may not be sound, that the quality or quantity of marijuana
resin (hashish) is enhanced if the male and female plants are
separated *before* the females are pollinated. There can be no
doubt that Washington separated the males and the females. Two
entries in his diary supply the evidence:

May 12-13 1765: “Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.”
August 7, 1765: “—began to separate (sic) the Male from
the Female Hemp at Do—rather too late.”

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_George_Washington_grow_weed_in_his_garden#ixzz1wXXLMkQ8

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_George_Washington_grow_weed_in_his_garden

Free Men don’t have to deal with this $%it...


7 posted on 06/01/2012 4:26:28 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: SatinDoll
Yes, our government reserves the right to protect the health and welfare of its citizens. What they can’t protect you from is your own stupidity.

Government does not have rights. Only people have rights and being stupid is one of them.

8 posted on 06/01/2012 4:29:44 AM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”)
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To: mo

Not a bootlicker, sweetie. I have a sister and BIL who are addicts and leaching off of the Federal Government and the State of Oregon. I reared their son, who they abandonned to follow a life of drugs, sex and rock n’ roll.

Why the Hell should the taxpayer foot the bill for worthless scum? They made good money at one time, avoided paying taxes, and now expect to get all kinds of entitlements.

Oh, and they sure consider themselves free. Why not?

As for me, I would like to see every drug user and trafficker put up against a wall and executed. That’s a satisfying solution.


9 posted on 06/01/2012 4:32:35 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: IbJensen

Why did he talk to the agents?
Did they have a warrant? No, then screw them. Don’t even answer the door.


10 posted on 06/01/2012 4:37:31 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: TexasSecede79366

You are correct. Government has the power to protect the health and welfare of its citizens. We expect that because we, the people, cannot possibly know EVERYTHING.

Interesting book out related to this subject: it’s called The Poisoner’s Handbook. This story details the developement of forensic medacine in New York City during Prohibition, and how that department dealth with the huge number of poisonings which occurred.


11 posted on 06/01/2012 4:37:31 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: IbJensen

Not to nitpick...but its Asheville.


12 posted on 06/01/2012 4:39:57 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: IbJensen

“Hello”, he threatened.


13 posted on 06/01/2012 4:44:46 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: IbJensen
The only option at this point is to rid the nation of the Obama administration, crack down on the EPA, and rid us of the threat it poses....

Amen!

I will hold my nose and vote for the "lesser of 2 evils" as at least Mittens has (at least to my knowledge and those who hate him are welcome to correct me with documented evidence to the contrary) never said or done anything which would indicate his HATRED or INTENT on harming (if NOT destroying) our Republic.

At this point, if forced to vote for Dear Leader or Beelzebub, I'd have to toss a coin as I could not tell the difference.

14 posted on 06/01/2012 4:45:21 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: SatinDoll
As for me, I would like to see every drug user and trafficker put up against a wall and executed. That’s a satisfying solution.

Would that include everyone who has gotten hocked on prescription meds provided by a doctor?

15 posted on 06/01/2012 4:51:17 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: SatinDoll
The Swiss and Swedish government did decade long studies of teenagers and who smoked pot and what happened to them as adults.

600% chance of developing schizophrenia as an adult.

So every teenager who smoked pot got six cases of schizophrenia as an adult?

Fascinating science.

16 posted on 06/01/2012 4:55:00 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: IbJensen

This is one of many examples demonstrating that even a liberal who values freedom should demand a smaller federal government constrained by the enumerated powers. If they don’t want a bloated conservative presidency trampling individual rights, they should oppose the precedent being set today by the bloated Obama Administration’s thuggish tactics.


17 posted on 06/01/2012 4:55:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

[Romney] “never said or done anything which would indicate his HATRED or INTENT on harming (if NOT destroying) our Republic.”

Romney signed a permanent AWB whilst governor of Mass.

FAIL on the 2nd amendment.


18 posted on 06/01/2012 5:06:53 AM PDT by Peet (Everything has an end -- only the sausage has two.)
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To: joe fonebone

Amen.


19 posted on 06/01/2012 5:28:08 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: 6SJ7
“Hello”, he threatened.

I sure hope this wasn't the most credible threat that EPA received as a result of Armendariz’s comments.

Also, way over in Ashville - well outside of Al's sphere of influence in Texas-based Region 6... I'd bet that the armed agents were actually FPS goons that were there at the EPA's behest. Which is equally chilling.

20 posted on 06/01/2012 5:28:31 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: mo

He lamented that he had not separated the male and female plans. George wanted sensemilla, but resigned himself to another winter of cleaning seeds and residue out of the inside crease of his Zeppelin II album.


21 posted on 06/01/2012 5:28:42 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: mo

Obama and his ilk want more dope smokers....They are a compliant population that will mostly vote Democrat


22 posted on 06/01/2012 5:42:57 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SatinDoll

When I was a youth I smoked pot and nothing happened to me.... yes it did... no it did not... yes it did... they really are out to get me....

now, point out to me where in the constitution the federal government is specifically granted the power over any of the things I listed, including the war on drugs..

I do not want your opinion, just the facts.. and remember, any powers not SPECIFICALLY granted to the federal government are reserved by the states and the people respectively..


23 posted on 06/01/2012 5:52:51 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: IbJensen

“Armed” EPA officials? Why is that not surprising? I can’t think of a single reason that EPA employees would be armed.


24 posted on 06/01/2012 5:58:43 AM PDT by jch10
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To: dead; SatinDoll

Apparently Canabis also causes multi personality dis-order. Or maybe the mathematicians were smoking it too.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 6:06:42 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: SatinDoll

Your nephew is lucky to have such an uncle...but any government powerful enough to spare you such a bureden..is probably too powerful to permit the freedoms required to create a prosperous society.


26 posted on 06/01/2012 6:10:17 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: joe fonebone; SatinDoll
A few points:

1. I agree with you that the Federal government does not have constitutional powers over drug use or abuse. States would.

2. If you want to reference marijuana use by George Washington, consider using a source other than Wikipedia. They are sketchy at best and anything that has to do with dope is really suspect.

3. Calling Satin Doll a bootlicker was rude, and deserves an apology.

27 posted on 06/01/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: IbJensen

It’s a creepy email. He obviously did not just want to say “Hello.” He meant to imply more than that. Can no one see that? As it is, it seemed like a threat to me, but if they did what they are accused of doing, they overreacted.


28 posted on 06/01/2012 6:28:27 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: SatinDoll
600% chance of developing schizophrenia as an adult.

That's the kind of statement that reveals more about the person making it than the subject they're talking about.

29 posted on 06/01/2012 6:38:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SatinDoll

Agree.


30 posted on 06/01/2012 6:50:18 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: IbJensen

“The Federal Government has been taking away your rights for years, one little, seemingly inconsequential piece at a time . . . “

It’s called Prgressiveism.


31 posted on 06/01/2012 7:07:25 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: jdsteel

uummm...

nowhere at any time did I reference george washington...

nowhere at any time did I call anyone a bootlicker..

are you part of the 600%?


32 posted on 06/01/2012 7:10:41 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: SatinDoll
Government has the power to protect the health and welfare of its citizens.

Which "government"? Show us where the States transferred that power to the national government, and you'll have a defense of the federal drug war, and the EPA.

I'll make it easy. If they did that, it will be listed among the enumerated powers. Just tell us which one you think it is.

33 posted on 06/01/2012 8:25:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: PghBaldy
It’s a creepy email. He obviously did not just want to say “Hello.” He meant to imply more than that. Can no one see that? As it is, it seemed like a threat to me, but if they did what they are accused of doing, they overreacted.

Is it wrong to look forward to the day a bureaucrat trying to "make an example" of an ordinary citizen gets made an example of by the citizens in return?

34 posted on 06/01/2012 8:33:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Doubt you'll get a straight answer to that question, but keep asking. What people don't say is often as informative as what they do say.
35 posted on 06/01/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: joe fonebone; mo; SatinDoll

Joe: No, sorry, I just lost track of who posted what. The GW and boot licker comments came from mo.

Sorry to you about that.

My comments should have been directed at mo.


36 posted on 06/01/2012 11:30:18 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: jdsteel

cool... but you didn’t answer my question... are you part of the 600% of former dope smokers that became schizophrenic??? :)


37 posted on 06/01/2012 11:51:59 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: jdsteel

Since your comments were directed toward me...

The deference paid to the Federal Govmt in general, and in specific, to its “War on Drugs” is the basis for the erosion of individual freedoms in the USA. That erosion results in a cumulative loss of the freedoms necessary for the prosperity we have taken for granted. SD clearly stated he wished the Feds more power

The reference to GW sorting his hemp seeds is direct from his diaries..

7. Began to separate the Male from the Female hemp at Do—rather too late.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28mgw1b651%29%29

I don’t generally apologize to those publically wishing for more Federal interference in our lives.

I have acknowledged my respect for him in doing for his nephew.


38 posted on 06/01/2012 12:58:19 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

So you’d be OK with making certain drugs illegal at the State level? That’s constitutional.


39 posted on 06/01/2012 1:36:06 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: jdsteel

That at least acknowledges the existence of the 10th Amendment


40 posted on 06/01/2012 2:11:41 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: mo

I, too, feel we need to breathe life back into the 10th amendment.


41 posted on 06/01/2012 2:21:49 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: SatinDoll
You are correct. Government has the power to protect the health and welfare of its citizens. We expect that because we, the people, cannot possibly know EVERYTHING.

Government only has the power that you surrender to them.
Did I miss the part where we re-invented the wheel? There have been drunkards,drug addicts and sloths since the beginning of time. So now it's brand new?
I applaud your taking care of your own but why do you want to take away my liberty?
Why do I have to tolerate constant checkpoints,searches and inappropriate questions to protect your junkie kin?
Sorry to be this direct but a whole culture hangs in the balance.

42 posted on 06/01/2012 5:11:06 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366 (May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”)
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To: tacticalogic

No, I don’t think so. (I also may have been reading too much into the email- I spend a lot of time with crazy, manipulative people which can distort my view of things). Have a great weekend.


43 posted on 06/01/2012 5:40:23 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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