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The six ways homosexual activists manipulate public opinion
Life Site News ^ | May 31, 2012 | BRIAN CLOWES

Posted on 06/01/2012 1:48:31 PM PDT by NYer

May 31, 2012 (HLIWorldWatch.org) - Anyone who is concerned about the influence of the homosexual agenda on reshaping traditional values must become intimately familiar with the major tactics that homophiles commonly employ in order to anticipate them and respond in charity and truth. Homophile strategists are very adept at manipulating public opinion with an arsenal of six tactics that are based upon deceptions and half‑truths:

One reason these tactics have worked so well is that homophile activists have succeeded in marketing a harmless and friendly image of their movement. They have lulled people into thinking that the wider society will not be adversely affected by their radical social agenda. Homosexual strategists have, in many cases, toned down their extreme rhetoric and have cloaked their agenda in soothing language. Over time, however, many have begun to think of themselves and others as “homophobes” or “haters” if they oppose any aspect of the homosexual rights agenda — or, incredibly, even if they question it in their own minds.

Generals and attorneys often wish that their opponents would write a book. Interestingly, leaders of the “homosexual rights” movement did exactly that. Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen clearly laid out this agenda in the marching orders of the movement, After the Ball:  How America Will Conquer Its Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90s.[1] This volume is an absolute treasure chest of information for those pro-family stalwarts who are actively engaged against the homosexual rights agenda.

By far the most popular homophile tactic is the claim to victim status, which is a very powerful, almost paralyzing, weapon that gives them a distinct advantage in the public square. Kirk and Madsen summarize the potent effectiveness of the victim status:

In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. … The purpose of victim imagery is to make straights feel very uncomfortable; that is, to jam with shame the self-righteous pride that would ordinarily accompany and reward their antigay belligerence, and to lay groundwork for the process of conversion by helping straights identify with gays and sympathize with their underdog status. … the public should be persuaded that gays are victims of circumstance, that they no more chose their sexual orientation than they did, say, their height, skin color, talents, or limitations. … gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice.

Does this sound familiar? It does if one pays attention to any mainstream media coverage of these controversial issues as they play out in law and society. But the victim status requires a story to back it up. Thus, perhaps the most common lament of the garden-variety homophile revolves around the alleged “tidal wave of anti-gay” hate crimes.

An analysis of FBI statistics on hate crimes committed against homosexuals during the time period 2000-2008 shows that the probability of any individual homosexual being the victim of a hate crime during his or her entire life span is slightly more than one percent.[2] Interestingly, “gays” are more likely to commit hate crimes against “straights” than “straights” are to commit hate crimes against “gays.” According to the FBI, there are 3.98 hate crimes committed by each million heterosexuals annually against homosexuals, and there are 4.44 hate crimes committed by each million homosexuals annually against heterosexuals.[3]

Violence against homosexuals by others gets all the press, but it is interesting to note that the great majority of anti-”gay” violence is committed by other “gays.” The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) is the leading tracker of violence against “gays” in the United States. According to the NCAVP’s statistics on anti-”gay” violence, 83 percent of all violence committed against “gays” is carried out by other “gays” in domestic situations. This does not even count “gay-on-gay” violence committed outside the home.[4]

This confusion is now pervasive in society, and questioning the agenda is simply not to be tolerated – especially among America’s youth.

For example, the classical notion that universities should be “arenas for the free exchange of ideas” has been completely discarded in the United States. More than three-fourths of U.S. colleges and universities now possess codes of conduct that ban behavior and speech based upon, including many other things, “homophobia.” The danger that these codes represent to academic freedom far outweighs their usefulness. This has already been amply demonstrated, as many colleges have severely punished students for merely desiring to debate the topic of homosexuality.

The squashing of dissenting views on homosexuality in the classroom has been going on for decades now. In 1991, a student at the University of Michigan announced his intention to establish a counseling program to help homosexuals leave their lifestyle. He was dragged before a panel of university administrators, unanimously found guilty of “sexual harassment,” and was thrown out of the university.[5] In 2000, the Student Judiciary of Tufts University voted officially to “derecognize” the Tufts Christian Fellowship (TCF) club for taking into account, for purposes of selecting leaders, the beliefs of a member whose views of Scripture and homosexuality were opposed to their own.[6] The TCF was stripped of funding, not permitted to use the Tufts name, not permitted to meet in any room that required a reservation, and not allowed to advertise or announce any of their events or meetings. In 2011, a Fort Worth, Texas high school student was suspended from school for reportedly saying, “I’m a Christian, and I don’t think being gay is right,” during a class discussion.[7] And teachers don’t have it any easier. In 2010 a professor at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign was accused of “hate speech” and relieved of his teaching duties for teaching Catholic doctrine on homosexuality in his Introduction to Catholicism class.[8]

Political science professor Jean Betheke Elshtain, while highlighting the dangers presented by codes against racism, also points out the difficulties associated with all punitive codes of this nature: “My hunch is that, over the long haul, the upshot of such endeavors [college speech codes] will not be a purified, racist-free, collective student consciousness, but a simmering backlog of resentment at being labeled as a racist, even if one has never committed a racist act or uttered a racist slur.”[9]

No one should attempt to deny homosexuals their basic human rights; which are the same basic rights that we all have as being sons and daughters of God. But it has gotten to the point where we have to fight to preserve our own basic rights — the rights to free speech, religion, assembly, and teaching our own children our values – in order to protect our own families and institutions.

Those who promote homosexuality are forcibly tearing away more and more of the rights of Christians, and the situation is rapidly deteriorating. Who could have possibly imagined just a few years ago that companies would start firing people for writing pro-family articles on their own time, or business owners would be sued for refusing to participate in homosexual union ceremonies?

Now is the time to draw the line, to stand and defend our families and our rights without apology in the public square.

[1] Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen.  After the Ball:  How America Will Conquer Its Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90s [New York City:  Plume Books], 1989.

[2] Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) annual report entitled “Hate Crime Statistics.”  Table 1, “Incidents, Offenses, Victims, and Known Offenders by Bias Motivation.”  http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm.

[3] Ibid.

[4] The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP).  Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Domestic Violence:  2003 Supplement.

[5] Paul Weyrich.  “Politically Correct Fascism on Our Campuses.”  New Dimensions Magazine, June 1991, page 44.

[6] Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. “Victory At Tufts; Evangelical Christian Group Regains Recognition.” May 16, 2000. http://thefire.org/article/137.html.

[7] “Student’s Homosexuality Comment Leads To Suspension.” CBSDFW.com, September 21, 2011. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/09/21/students-homosexuality-comments-lead-to-suspension-first-amendment-discussion/.

[8] Adam Cassandra. “University Reinstates Professor Terminated for Teaching Catholic Doctrine on Homosexuality.” CNSNews.com, August 1, 2010. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/university-reinstates-professor-terminated-teaching-catholic-doctrine-homosexuality.

[9] Stephen Goode.  “Efforts to Deal With Diversity Can Go Astray.” Insight Magazine, September 10, 1990, pages 15 to 19.


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1 posted on 06/01/2012 1:48:37 PM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; narses

Ping!


2 posted on 06/01/2012 1:49:28 PM PDT by NYer ( “Without justice – what else is the State but a great band of robbers?” - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
. . . 83 percent of all violence committed against “gays” is carried out by other “gays” in domestic situations. This does not even count “gay-on-gay” violence committed outside the home.

So what do you suppose the actual hetero-on-gay violence is? Especially if you take out clear cases of self defense?

3 posted on 06/01/2012 1:57:57 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NYer

Homosexuals are extremely dangerous to women and children.

These “men” or homosexual men in particular will make women feel bad for collecting money from men (aka. men’s right movement), but then will also point at men as being responsible for them feeling bad - making themselves part of the women victim agenda who are trying to collect from men and beat down for past wrongs and what not, while stealing the proceeds from the women and raping them.

They only have in mind to murder the very homophile they snooker into their camp, pretending to help collect the bills and moneys for them.


4 posted on 06/01/2012 1:59:12 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NYer

1-Exploit the “victim” status;
2-Use the sympathetic media;
3-Confuse and neutralize the churches;
4-Slander and stereotype Christians;
5-Bait and switch (hide their true nature); and
6-Intimidation.
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7-Convince the public that “their” children, Pedophiles, are “Good”.


5 posted on 06/01/2012 2:03:23 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: NYer

Homosexuals are extremely dangerous to women and children.

These “men” or homosexual men in particular will make women feel bad for collecting money from men (aka. men’s right movement), but then will also point at men as being responsible for them feeling bad - making themselves part of the women victim agenda who are trying to collect from men and beat down for past wrongs and what not, while stealing the proceeds from the women and raping them.

They only have in mind to murder the very homophile they snooker into their camp, pretending to help collect the bills and moneys for them.

It thus is no accident that a statists and the state finds many advantages in allying with homosexuals in order to cash in the whole victim socialist program of exploitation. It is no accident that homosexual rights get passed as law even though there is much resistance to this form of forced proselytism.


6 posted on 06/01/2012 2:04:04 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NYer

The homosexuals engaged in sex in the Lawrence v. Texas case were in a physically abusive relationship with a third homosexual, the caller who made the prank call to HPD that night.

The caller later was murdered in a still unsolved case while one of the guys from the lawsuit was facing criminal charges of physically assaulting the “caller” (not in retaliation for the call).

But its all about “big brother in your bedroom” to hear the lavender mafia spin it. Big Brother is in the bathroom dictating toilet bowl sizes, in the living room dictating lightbulb wattage, and in the garage dictating gas mileage. But somehow the healthcare impacts of drug dependent men abusing each other unnaturally is “ok” to even encourage children to experiment with.


7 posted on 06/01/2012 2:06:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: a fool in paradise

they’ve also convinced the public that they comprise a much greater percentage of the population than they actually are. They have our youth thinking they are 15-20% when in actuality they comprise less than 2%


8 posted on 06/01/2012 2:09:24 PM PDT by rocketmag
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To: JudgemAll

Lesbians isolate and indoctrinate followers at well. It isn’t just a tactic used by homosexual men. They prey on those they can take advantage of.


9 posted on 06/01/2012 2:10:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: rocketmag

Their ranks within the media would appear to be much higher than 10%. Why is don’t ask, don’t tell a bad thing in the military when they’d much rather remain closeted to the viewing/reading public who are left wondering why so many stories see print about the need to advance the gay agenda and “evolving views” on such matters?


10 posted on 06/01/2012 2:12:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: Vigilanteman
This sounds awfully sexist and horrible to say,... okay, I'll say it anyway - because it's true... but in a man/woman marriage the man is most likely to be dominant and the woman naturally more submissive, defusing conflicts due to a power veto.

In a man/man or woman/woman "arrangement," the odds are virtually equal, and conflicts are more likely to be prolonged and stalemated due to like forces unwilling to budge. This can, and usually does, escalate into extremely violent resolutions.

It's no surprise that these equally matched constructs fail at a much higher rate than natural man/woman unions.

11 posted on 06/01/2012 2:12:13 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
This sounds awfully sexist and horrible to say,... okay, I'll say it anyway - because it's true... but in a man/woman marriage the man is most likely to be dominant and the woman naturally more submissive, defusing conflicts due to a power veto.

Yes, it is sexist..the woman naturally submissive? That's muzzie/15th century talk. The wife should never be submissive...should both be equals with equal decision making and give and take.

12 posted on 06/01/2012 2:17:08 PM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: NYer

It isn’t surprising that most violence committed against gays is by gays. Homosexuals love brutality. For many of them, brutality is their reason for being homosexual, and the fields of victims are plentiful.


13 posted on 06/01/2012 2:18:19 PM PDT by pallis
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To: trailhkr1
No, it's not "muzzie." Men and women are different - in fundamental ways that matter.

To say otherwise is talking like a Libtard.

14 posted on 06/01/2012 2:29:54 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: pallis

It’s a mental disorder fueled by drugs and bad relationship choices.

Sometimes an absent (or abusive) father figure can lead to such a path.

Now they want to PUSH this crap on kids in 2nd grade. Heather Has Two Mommys won’t go away. It’s not just about “tolerating” a CHOSEN alternative lifestyle, it’s about embracing it, respecting it, and giving it a whirl to be sure you’ve “tested” all your options in life before committing yourself to the old, boring, way of the “establishment”.

The NEW Establishment of the 1968 radicals is worse than what came before it. The so-called “punks” realized this in the 1970s when they often had to endure political correctness.

Thoughtcrime should be a crime. Crush Stalinist Socialism.


15 posted on 06/01/2012 2:32:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: trailhkr1; fwdude
The wife should never be submissive...should both be equals with equal decision making and give and take.

Well, they certainly initiate domestic violence in an equal manner and to an equal degree of violence.
16 posted on 06/01/2012 2:34:16 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: trailhkr1
Yes, it is sexist..the woman naturally submissive? That's muzzie/15th century talk. The wife should never be submissive...should both be equals with equal decision making and give and take.

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"Should be"? Why? By whose authority?

17 posted on 06/01/2012 2:37:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fwdude

Men and women are different? What a concept. :)


18 posted on 06/01/2012 2:38:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: a fool in paradise

YES...what you said....and the “normalizing” includes the GAY MEN’S CHRISTMAS Concerts.....which “friends” of our said we should attend....they were soooo good....just...could...not...do...it....and never will!


19 posted on 06/01/2012 2:38:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: goodnesswins

They’ve started letting straight men into the chorus, but they maintain the separatist name just to keep the attention on the homosexual aspect.


20 posted on 06/01/2012 2:44:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: NYer

The six ways that homosexuals manipulate people could really be boiled down to three:

1) Hollywood
2) Hollywood
3) Hollywood


21 posted on 06/01/2012 2:48:38 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: trailhkr1
Yes, it is sexist..the woman naturally submissive? That's muzzie/15th century talk. The wife should never be submissive...should both be equals with equal decision making and give and take.

Bah, that's 20th century Marxist/feminist/alternate reality talk. The truth is that most women prefer to be submissive. The problem lies in that they only want to be submissive to a man who is worth being submissive to. No woman wants to be submissive to a weak man - she wants to be submissive to a strong man. So, for the man/woman marriage dynamic to work properly, the man must remain strong and dominant at all times (which is hard work) so that the woman will engage her naturally submissive tendencies and will be happy doing so. You want to see a miserable woman? Find one who has to wear the pants in her family.
22 posted on 06/01/2012 2:55:47 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: goodnesswins
Seems to me that the Air Force Chorus is teaming up with Dallas' "gay men's chorus," the Turtle Creek Chorale, for a joint performance. Sickening.

I did attend a TCC Christmas concert about a decade ago, and the homo-preaching/indoctrination from the director Sealig was vomit inducing. Even a homosexual friend who also attended thought it was disgusting and way out of line.

The stage is traditionally strewn with hundreds of poinsettias, one plant for every member who succumbed to AIDS.

And the sodomites always disclaim that it's a "gay" disease. Horse-hockey!

23 posted on 06/01/2012 2:57:42 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fr_freak; trailhkr1

Thanks, freak. You make more sense than a truckload of submissive RINO’s.


24 posted on 06/01/2012 3:00:24 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: a fool in paradise

Oh, yeah, the woman’s shelter is definite lesbian sex right gallore.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 3:05:32 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: fwdude

What you say is true. Men and women are different. Acknowledging that is the Truth of Nature.

Woman/man are compatible (not interchangeable) and since their natures are different—there is no direct conflict (unless they are extremely immature adults.). Homosexuals are immature by design—they are fixated in the latency period where they never matured into attraction for the opposite sex which takes less selfishness-—less narcissism.

It takes patience and maturity to be with the opposite sex in long term relationships because their interests are so different. It is why women love to hang out with women and men with men-—they validate their maleness or femaleness in positive ways. Homosexual acts degrade the body—reduce it to meaningless base animal acts which have nothing to do with “love”—everything to do with abuse and selfishness-—and lust.

Male/female unions take selflessness to flourish and produce emotionally healthy offspring. Selfish people destroy and use children.

In homosexual societies like Greece, homosexuality is common and learned by the young boys. Men/Boy “love” was common—to groom boys (and girls) into the idea that sodomy is good. Where societies accept and glorify the behavior—it becomes normalized and common. That is what the homosexuals are trying to do by brainwashing children in our schools with Sex Ed and Day of Silence. and all the gay pushing on MTV—and destruction of Christian Ethics-—so they can invert God’s Laws of Right and Wrong. Homosexuality completely inverts the Christian paradigm to the pagan/Afghani one.


26 posted on 06/01/2012 3:06:32 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: NYer

There are thousands of homosexual teachers nationwide that our manipulating young students. Ie, Johny Has two Mommies, gay and lesbian awareness days, etc.


27 posted on 06/01/2012 3:49:02 PM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: fr_freak
Everybody’s panties are in a wad because of the use of the word “submissive”. Apparently from the thread so far no one have been married a long time. I got close to 30 years in. Was it always easy? No. Most of the time it was work but well worth it. We finish each others sentences etc.
In case you don't know the true secret is a woman who is smart enough to let her man “think” he controls things. Everyone who has been married and is truthful knows the woman controls you. The smart ones let you make a decision etc. and then they gently give you an alternate opinion. You sleep on it and low and behold “you” come up with HER option. It's your idea so it can't be wrong. IT is a standing joke in our house. Women rule but smart women let men think they run the ship. Conflict ensues when women aren't wise enough to give the guy his rope and gently drag him in later. Same with a horse.
28 posted on 06/01/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: prof.h.mandingo
Everyone who has been married and is truthful knows the woman controls you.

Maybe that is true in marriage these days. I couldn't say. I'm willing to bet it is not true in all marriages, though. I will say, however, that I find it disturbing to encounter a man who not only is controlled by his wife, but seems to be proud of the fact. Giving one's wife an equal say, if she is worthy of it, is fine by me. To each his own. However, blissfully describing oneself as being controlled by the wife seems to me to be an abdication of manhood. But, maybe abdication of manhood is what is required to be married in this feminist age, lest one get falsely accused of domestic violence, chucked in jail, and then raped in divorce court.
29 posted on 06/01/2012 4:36:44 PM PDT by fr_freak
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30 posted on 06/01/2012 4:41:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: fr_freak
The truth is that most women prefer to be submissive. The problem lies in that they only want to be submissive to a man who is worth being submissive to.

Bingo !!!

31 posted on 06/01/2012 4:41:58 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: JudgemAll

Today’s roller-derby leagues are crawling with them, isolating them from men (no men allowed at practice), and getting them drunk for “nights with the girls” (”just our little secret...”).


32 posted on 06/01/2012 4:46:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: JudgemAll

Takes some women who’ve left an abusive male awhile to learn that women can slap women around too.


33 posted on 06/01/2012 4:48:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

My husband and I will have been married for 29 years in November. :)


34 posted on 06/01/2012 5:14:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
In case you don't know the true secret is a woman who is smart enough to let her man “think” he controls things. Everyone who has been married and is truthful knows the woman controls you. The smart ones let you make a decision etc. and then they gently give you an alternate opinion. You sleep on it and low and behold “you” come up with HER option. It's your idea so it can't be wrong.

Oh noooooo!!! You've discovered my secret! Sure hope Mr. Inspectorette doesn't see this ;-)

35 posted on 06/01/2012 5:31:15 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: fr_freak
I'm sorry you are a bitter little man. You have given yourself away here. Sorry you cannot recognize a little humor. Also my wife and I have what others describe as a perfect marriage. I lucked out and got a soul mate. It is like I married myself. Apparently you were “falsely accused” of domestic violence and then screwed in divorce court. Yes I would be bitter also but if you want to test my manhood come on down, happy to see you. In the interest of fairness I have to tell you I'm a former State Trooper. Lighten up Francis.
36 posted on 06/02/2012 2:35:15 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: NYer

Number Seven:

Infiltrate the government K-12 socialist-entitlement schools. Control the curriculum and policies of our nation’s socialist-entitlement K-12 schools.

And....Remember. Homosexuals hire other homosexuals. Please keep that in mind if your child’s principal is a homosexual.


37 posted on 06/02/2012 6:21:00 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo; fr_freak

Conflict ensues when women aren’t wise enough to give the guy his rope and gently drag him in later. Same with a horse
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In happy marriages both are equally engaged in the same game. :-)

Wintertime ( who has been married to Prince Charming for 30 years.)


38 posted on 06/02/2012 6:27:44 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: prof.h.mandingo

Are you Greek?


39 posted on 06/02/2012 6:38:33 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fr_freak; trisham; fwdude; savagesusie; prof.h.mandingo
Bah, that's 20th century Marxist/feminist/alternate reality talk. The truth is that most women prefer to be submissive.

Do you have any real world stats to back that up or is that just a generational/religious thingie? Women do like at times for men make the decision on where to eat or what movie, to take control but major life decisions on a consistent basis? No way. I work with 15 women, 20'-50's, conservative, moderate and liberal and I can tell you if you told them the man should be dominant they would run away from you like the wind.

Do you really think good, strong conservative women like Sarah Palin are submissive??

My live in GF makes twice what I do, 6 figure income, graduate degree and I don't. We were best friends for long time before we became lovers (worked out every day together-both hardcore gym rats) ..I never felt/feel inferior on my part. I am not submissive or inferior to my gf we are both equals. If I was perceived as weaker my gf would dump me...she does not want to be dominant in the relationship and she has never treated me that way.

. No woman wants to be submissive to a weak man - she wants to be submissive to a strong man. So, for the man/woman marriage dynamic to work properly, the man must remain strong and dominant at all times (which is hard work) so that the woman will engage her naturally submissive tendencies and will be happy doing so.

Some women maybe-noticed it is a religious theme with some. There are some women who relish being submissive-don't want to make decisions just as some men are the same way. .Like some men, I'm not threatened or feel weak with a strong willed woman who know what she want. I would find it a turn off to have a submissive "yes hubbie"Duggar type woman but that's me. My GF and I both have the same decision making input. Sometimes she comes up with a better decision, sometimes I do but neither of us have the final say overruling the other on a consistent basis. Yes, I agree men and women are different in numerous ways but that should not make women inferior or have to be submissive in a relationship. This is no longer the '50's in that respect..Thank God.

You want to see a miserable woman? Find one who has to wear the pants in her family.

I was referring to both parties as equals, not to this example. There is a difference.

40 posted on 06/02/2012 6:53:03 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
You're entirely missing the point, which is that men and women are fundamentally different - different in ways that make complementarity possible and beneficial. Big deal if, as you say, the woman plays games of "reverse psychology" on their "unwitting" husbands, that only proves the point. (Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe wives are being manipulated into thinking that THEY are getting their way - tit for tat?)

In almost every case, men are physically stronger than women. Men are more emotionally aloof and controlled, an asset in many cases in which pure rationality is absolutely needed to survive. Men are the natural leaders, when this is not the case marriages suffer, I believe.

41 posted on 06/02/2012 6:54:15 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: trailhkr1

So, apparently, you think men and women are fundamentally the same.

Wouldn’t you be more comfortable at the DUmp?


42 posted on 06/02/2012 6:57:55 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
In almost every case, men are physically stronger than women.

Yes.

Men are more emotionally aloof and controlled, an asset in many cases in which pure rationality is absolutely needed to survive.

I work with many women who run circles around men when it comes to being cool under fire. Seems you watch too many 50's movies where the women all they did was scream and faint when danger appears. I can tell you that is not how it is in real life.

Men are the natural leaders, when this is not the case marriages suffer, I believe.

Are you married? But hey if that belief works for you and your wife that's all the matters right? Just don't say that all women and marriages/relationships are like this..not even close.

So, apparently, you think men and women are fundamentally the same.

Pretty much..except for strength etc. as you mentioned and other physical attributes. There are other differences of course but nothing where the women should be the submissive one.

Wouldn’t you be more comfortable at the DUmp?

Nope. So I disagree with you I'm a lib huh?

43 posted on 06/02/2012 7:14:28 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: NYer

I remember in school how they used to hammer this nonsensical view upon us.

I pointed out, how could being gay be considered natural and healthy if it inhibits the most essentially and basic function of any life-form(Reproduction)?

The anther is right a lot of people and organizational won’t even let you talk about the subject to them its as if being Gay is natural and healthy, and there is no room for anyone to ever question that absurd position. Frankly much of our education system is taking a book from Marx and trying to making everyone believe the absurd by denying them any other option.


44 posted on 06/02/2012 9:12:00 AM PDT by Monorprise
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I'm sorry you are a bitter little man...Apparently you were “falsely accused” of domestic violence and then screwed in divorce court.

Ha. Nice try, buddy, but no. However, I have seen what these situations have done to other men. And you are the one who should lighten up. If you were joking around about being controlled by your wife, then, yeah, I didn't catch that, but if you are such a manly man as you claim, you should also understand why that sort of thing would be repugnant. No need for you to get so defensive.
45 posted on 06/02/2012 9:47:04 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: trailhkr1

OK, maybe we’re getting hung up on the word “submissive”. In some people’s minds that might conjure up the image of some woman groveling in front of her husband like a slave. A better word might be “subordinate”. A woman naturally wants her man to take the lead, even if she doesn’t consciously realize it. No, it’s not a religious thing - this is from a lifetime of observation. Also, “subordinate”, even “submissive”, doesn’t necessarily mean inferior. It’s like dancing - someone has to lead and someone has to follow for it to work, but the one doing the following isn’t necessarily the worse dancer. That’s just the dynamic that allows things to work more smoothly.

A man taking the lead doesn’t necessarily mean that he controls every little thing and makes every little decision, either. If the wife is a mathematical genius or a finance wiz (more so than her husband), a smart husband would say, “Hey honey, you handle the finances.” But if she is bad with money, he’ll say “Hey honey, I’ll handle the finances.” In either case, the husband assessed the situation and allocated the resources properly. That is leadership.


46 posted on 06/02/2012 10:14:15 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
You missed the point, we share. And yes I value her opinion. I would be a fool not to. She is one of the most level headed people I know. Almost being killed by your ex. has a way of doing that although she was great prior. I, like you, have seen marriages go in the crapper. That is why I married late(28)and made sure of the one I was going to spend my life with. Most men think with their d^&ks and that is where that thinking leads. I still don't understand having a wife that you have no respect for. How do you respect someone you consider under you? I am asking a serious question. Maybe you are referring to males who are afraid of their wives or do in fact let the wife call all the shots. My real reference was to the times when I embark on some “project” and she generally is better at setting out a framework to accomplish said task. And I am happy to acknowledge her ability. If I wanted to move and told her the reasons she would start packing. On the other hand we had a situtation where she had a position in another state. She turned them down, no fuss, because she knew I didn’t want to leave.
It just seems to me you are looking for someone to slavishly accept your every command. I come from the old days where men respected women. I remember Ike.
The men I have known who fear the wife are those who chose the wrong mate and further have such low self-esteem that they fear loosing the wife and never finding anyone else. Perhaps that was your point. If so I agree with you on that.
47 posted on 06/02/2012 12:22:42 PM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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I just read this post prior to replying and I agree with your points. I wish you had made them sooner. It really sounded at first like you had a grudge with women in general.
48 posted on 06/02/2012 12:28:56 PM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: trailhkr1

Your definition of “submissive” is where you err.

Women and men are both human beings-—and they are equal in worth—both in the eyes of God and under the law (in the US). I do not disagree with you here—and dignity and worth is equal in all human beings-—even the old and unborn. A mature person respects all people who deserve it.

Being submissive to a “husband” is an act of selflessness. It shows respect and understanding of the nature of a man. Likewise, men are supposed to be submissive to God—which in fact, will make him love and honor the needs of his wife and children—do his duty. This “submissiveness” by BOTH the male and female is a selflessness, which is necessary for people to feel truly loved and appreciated. Sacrifice is necessary in all solid relationships.

Selflessness is the only act of true love. Selfishness (narcissism) —is a quality that will ruin all relationships-—not just that of a spouse—but especially the mental health of children. Selflessness is when you love someone more than your own life (like many women have for their babies—or used to before they were conditioned to give them up to strangers to raise and mold).

Of course-—the “me-generation” is about self-love-—and is why the divorce and dysfunction and wrecked families skyrocketed with that generation. Me-First —it is impossible to love God and anyone else with that attitude. You use people for your own selfish gratification-—toss them when they are no longer fun or advantageous to have around. It is not love.


49 posted on 06/02/2012 5:41:51 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: prof.h.mandingo
I just read this post prior to replying and I agree with your points. I wish you had made them sooner. It really sounded at first like you had a grudge with women in general.

What, and deny people here the chance to get prematurely outraged?

The PC feminist line is that men and women are exactly the same, and that the male/female roles in a relationship are interchangeable. The reality is that women prefer, consciously or unconsciously, to be subordinate to a strong man. However, say that out loud and the PC police start screaming "You must just hate women!" when its really just a recognition of male vs. female psychology. So I expected some flames.
50 posted on 06/02/2012 7:24:42 PM PDT by fr_freak
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