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Obama Attorneys Without Defense In FL Eligibility Case
frontporchpolitics.com ^ | 1 June 2012

Posted on 06/01/2012 9:40:34 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

Judge Terry Lewis in Leon County has set a hearing for June 18 to consider arguments from the attorneys for Barack Obama and Attorney’s representing Michael Voeltz, who filed the challenge to Obama’s name being on the state ballot.

Judge Lewis is famous for being the judge that was crucial in the 2000 election between Geroge W. Bush and then vice-president Al Gore.

Voeltz is represented by Attorney Larry Klayman’s law firm. Support for Klayman is coming from ConstitutionActionFund.org. What is most interesting in all of this is that this case is not being brought forth by Republicans, but a Democrat.

Klayman cited a U.S. Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett as the grounds for determining a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution puts a restriction on the office of president of the United States that it puts on no other office and that is to make sure there are no divided loyalties to any other nation.

Klayman’s argument is one that has not been used in each of the previous cases in the states where Barack Obama’s eligibility has been questioned before a court.

In Minor v. Happersett, Virginia Minor was petitioning the court for the voting rights of women and eventually that was ruled unconstitutional at the time.

However, one thing was clear in the outcome. The Minor v. Happersett ruling defines “natrual born citizen” as the offspring of two U. S. citizens. Klayman is thus making his argument from the birth certificate that Barack Obama has put out which clearly shows that his father was not a U. S. citizen but was a citizen of Kenya.

To understand the citizenship argument from a legal precedent, the below chart from TheObamaFile.com makes understanding the legal terms used for “natural born citizen”, “citizen by statute”, and “native born citizen” easy to understand. It cites the relevant precedence for the use of these terms in the history of American jurisprudence.

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Mr. Klayman said, “The framers were not stupid. They understood that a president with divided loyalties could present a security and other risks for our nation.”

According to Klayman, “Obama’s Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father (who had to be deported from the U.S.), frankly explains why he frequently sides with and takes actions to further the interests of Muslim nations against the United States; specifically his refusal to take forceful action against the Islamic Republic of Iran and its leaders over nuclear armament and human rights violations and atrocities.”

WND reports,

Klayman told WND that the case is in the discovery stage in which attorneys are supposed to be able to request documents, evidence and testimony that would further refine and define the issues in dispute for the court.

“Obama’s briefs [said] it would be an undue burden and expense to have discovery,” Klayman said.

Then the judge said he wanted Obama’s representatives to cite the “authority” on which they based their argument that it isn’t necessary to have two citizen parents to be a natural-born citizen.

So far Obama’s attorneys have been unable to cite a credible authority.

According to the Steady Drip the “bare essence of the case” is,

1 The sitting president’s birth certificate is fraudulent. 2 The sitting president is not a natural born citizen, and is therefore ineligible for the presidency, because his father was not a US citizen. 3 If the sitting president is formally ruled ineligible to be on the ballot in Florida, he will not be able to be elected as President of the United (50) States. The article goes on to say, “Our high profile attorney, Larry Klayman, is the only one who has ever sued a sitting president and won.”

So far Barack Obama’s attorneys have been unable to produce anything credible to demonstrate legally that he is eligible to be president.

Barack Obama is not the only defendant in the case. The Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner and the state Elections Canvassing Commission have also been named as defendants.

One thing that many people, including myself, are wondering is what will happen as far as laws signed and supreme court judges appointed along with a host of other things during Barack Obama’s occupying of the White House would be overturned. In a constitutional crisis of this magnitude, how will it all be handled? Second, we also have to wonder how exactly this would effect Barack Obama. Since it would most definitely fall under “high crimes and misdemeanors,” would that entail impeachment proceedings and then since the Senate is controlled by Democrats, would they vote to impeach him?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: birther; esmit; florida; kenyanbornmuzzie; leoncounty; michaelvoeltz; naturalborncitizen; usurper
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1 posted on 06/01/2012 9:40:43 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: LucyT; Brown Deer; Seizethecarp; butterdezillion

Updates from the FL Natural Born Citizen case


2 posted on 06/01/2012 9:41:45 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader; SatinDoll

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3 posted on 06/01/2012 9:46:15 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Fractal Trader

Will be interesting how Sheriff Arpaio’s eligibility press conference #2 plays into all of this.. Will it be before June 18?


4 posted on 06/01/2012 9:49:10 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Fractal Trader; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

5 posted on 06/01/2012 9:49:44 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SatinDoll

Judge-watch ping!


6 posted on 06/01/2012 9:52:37 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Fractal Trader

Holder can’t make a stink that ‘Florida is trying to undermine 0bama’ here because if he did, the media would have to ACTUALLY REPORT ON 0bama’s eligibility uncertainty.. What a quandary!


7 posted on 06/01/2012 9:53:20 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Arpaio’s presser should be around June 15th.


8 posted on 06/01/2012 9:53:40 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Brown Deer

Thanks for the ping!


9 posted on 06/01/2012 9:53:58 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Fractal Trader
“Since it would most definitely fall under “high crimes and misdemeanors,” would that entail impeachment proceedings and then since the Senate is controlled by Democrats, would they vote to impeach him?” Refusing to remove a criminal fraud from office, on this scale, would bury Harry and his DNC criminal enterprise when the conservative voting turnout overwhelms even the fraudulent votes the DNC has waiting to ballot. What Hillary & Bill threatened with prior to Super Tuesday 2008 will come to pass in a way unforeseen that will end the democrap party as a power structure.
10 posted on 06/01/2012 9:54:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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What Hillary & Bill WERE threatened with prior to Super Tuesday 2008 ...
11 posted on 06/01/2012 9:56:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Red Steel

Perfect!


12 posted on 06/01/2012 9:57:44 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Fractal Trader

Sure enough - there is a motion to stay discovery in the file. Here is a link to the docket.

http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=dockets&addQuery=real_case.case_id=’58101756';


13 posted on 06/01/2012 10:01:09 PM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Fractal Trader

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14 posted on 06/01/2012 10:01:22 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Fractal Trader

Unless his father is really Frank Marshall Davis (who zer0 looks like) he is unlikely to be a natural born citizen. Those in the cross hairs for treason are not just Mr and Mrs Zero, but pelosi and many DNC aparichaks.


15 posted on 06/01/2012 10:06:44 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: esquirette

Hillary’s State Dept gets into the act.

5/25/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMA’S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 PRESIDENT OBAMAS AMENDED MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY
5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE’S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY


16 posted on 06/01/2012 10:08:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MHGinTN
What Hillary & Bill threatened with prior to Super Tuesday 2008 will come to pass in a way unforeseen that will end the democrap party as a power structure.

Hillary, no longer just a former 'co-president', but with her foreign policy ticket punched as SOS, would be just forced to step in and 'save the party'. Just watch...

17 posted on 06/01/2012 10:09:25 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Fractal Trader
Fractal:

Thanks for posting!

IMHO, the collective White House panties are all in a tangle over this and the one in Illinois. At least I hope so! (The case in Illinois seems to have a subpoena signed by the judge for Obama to produce all kinds of documents! see obamareleaseyourrecords dot com or dot org).

Its early to start discussing impeachment and reversal of every exectutive order (don't get me wrong, I would not oppose those things!!).

Odds are (maybe 70 percent chance?) that this judge (and the one in Illinois) will have a sudden "change of heart" after a private phone call prior to June 18.

If that is NOT what happens, then look for appeal to the next higher court, scant reporting accompanied by accusations of "partisianship" and "racism". Then a "stay" will be issued by a district judge which allows Obama to remain on the ballot until the appeal is decided, etc. Then (hopefully) there will be an election day and Obama will leave office. In my opinion, this is about 20 percent chance.

9.9 percent chance Obama "decides" to not run for office, but endorses a chosen candidate at the Democratic Primary. (WHEW thats a stretch, isnt it?)

0.1 % -- again, all opinion and speculation here-- impeached by House of Representatives, resignation before or after that maybe, conviction or acquital in the Senate, pardon by Biden if Senate convicts.

End crystal ball reading.

18 posted on 06/01/2012 10:16:05 PM PDT by txnuke (Drip Drip Drip goes the eligibility questions. Vet the candidates.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Zer0 and Hillary were both Alynski deciples. Hillary would destroy our nation in a much more calculated manner than 0. The only good would be if the dem0crats are destroyed in total if this gets coverage.


19 posted on 06/01/2012 10:19:46 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: Fractal Trader

The final paragraph is the clincher as to whether a judge would have the courage to rule for the plaintiff that Obama is ineligible.

The ramifications would be so huge with doubts being cast on every appointment and signed law during his term of office that I doubt any judge would have the stomach for it.


20 posted on 06/01/2012 10:25:52 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: txnuke; Brown Deer; Red Steel; LucyT

Orley has one going in Indiana too. Sueing the SoS and Election Board; Discovery asks for an asortment of documentation from BO, Scheduled to be heard this month.


21 posted on 06/01/2012 10:33:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: Fractal Trader
One thing that many people, including myself, are wondering is what will happen as far as laws signed and supreme court judges appointed along with a host of other things during Barack Obama’s occupying of the White House would be overturned. In a constitutional crisis of this magnitude, how will it all be handled?

Historically, peoples and nations would go to war, and kill each other by the gazillions over such usurpations. But we're much too civilized now for that kind of stuff.

Second, we also have to wonder how exactly this would effect Barack Obama. Since it would most definitely fall under “high crimes and misdemeanors,” would that entail impeachment proceedings and then since the Senate is controlled by Democrats, would they vote to impeach him?

Now that's some funny stuff, folks, that right there. [/cableguy]

22 posted on 06/01/2012 10:38:24 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: MtnClimber

Sorry obama looks like Malcom x


23 posted on 06/01/2012 10:55:15 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: MtnClimber
The only good would be if the dem0crats are destroyed in total if this gets coverage.

While I agree fully, the Republicans are ready to step in where the Dems left off. The party has crept so far to the left with every ensuing 'lesser evil' candidate that JFK could have run to the right of most of them.

We need a truly Conservative party without some of the baggage of some of the splinter parties we have on the right.

24 posted on 06/01/2012 10:58:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Fractal Trader

One thing that many people, including myself, are wondering is what will happen as far as laws signed and supreme court judges appointed along with a host of other things during Barack Obama’s occupying of the White House would be overturned. In a constitutional crisis of this magnitude, how will it all be handled?


Swept under the rug as “too big to fail”.


25 posted on 06/01/2012 11:21:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Fractal Trader

“According to Klayman, “Obama’s Muslim heritage, which emanates from his Kenyan father”
__________________________________________________

Inserting that he was Muslim is a mistake and only muddies
the water.
While we do not want a Muslim POTUS, it is not a legal factor.
Concentrate on “natural born”, and/or place of birth.


26 posted on 06/01/2012 11:26:38 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: MtnClimber
Unless his father is really Frank Marshall Davis (who zer0 looks like)

Besides them both being black, there's not a shred of resemblance between Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama. Who he really resembles is Malcolm X.



27 posted on 06/01/2012 11:47:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red Steel
5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE’S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

Are you sure that's Hillary and not Florida's Secretary of State? (I'm not sure that the US SoS would have standing to file a motion in a Florida case. The federal DoJ might, though.)

28 posted on 06/01/2012 11:48:50 PM PDT by Bob
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To: meadsjn

“But we’re much too civilized now for that kind of stuff.”

Don’t count on it.


29 posted on 06/01/2012 11:59:54 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Brown Deer; Fractal Trader
Thanks for the Ping.

I mentioned on another thread that this is the first I can recall a judge ever having remarked, during discovery, on the Plaintiff having a Supreme Court ruling to cite in their argument, and the Defendant offering up, well, nothing much.

It just strikes me as an important development, if the judge is honest and is able to stay ethically strong (and physically healthy).

30 posted on 06/02/2012 12:28:14 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Red Steel
Arpaio’s presser should be around June 15th.

I just hope he doesn't announce the date ahead of time ( the MSM won't bother to show up anyway. Give a 2 hour warning to local press ). Therefore, there won't be an opportunity for a "breaking national story" to overshadow the announcement.

31 posted on 06/02/2012 12:45:32 AM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself- Mark Twain)
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To: Bob; Red Steel
5/29/2012 SECRETARY OF STATE’S MOTION TO STAY DISCOVERY

"Are you sure that's Hillary and not Florida's Secretary of State? (I'm not sure that the US SoS would have standing to file a motion in a Florida case. The federal DoJ might, though.)"

I'm pretty sure it refers to Florida SoS Ken Detzner and not Hillary. If the Florida SoS has made a motion to stay discovery in this case, I couldn't find it after a few minutes of searching Dogpile using a variety of phrases/keywords.

Do you have a link for the SoS info RS?

33 posted on 06/02/2012 12:59:30 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Fractal Trader

In light of the questions raised I imagine the supremes will punt.They will consider it too dangerous a crisis to waste on defending the law and will opt instead to defend the status quo. In short will not sacrifice one man for the good of the nation. But understand me I DO NOT compare Barak Hussein Obama II anything but anti-Christ.


34 posted on 06/02/2012 4:22:50 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Fractal Trader
“he will not be able to be elected as President of the United (50) States.”

This is where Obama’s attorney's have a case, as the court will learn, there is actually 57 states.

35 posted on 06/02/2012 5:08:33 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec
He was counting Guam, PR, DC and a few others who benefit from his distribution of wealth philosophy.
36 posted on 06/02/2012 5:23:40 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Obama: " born in Kenya."..Is he lying now or lying then?)
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To: Fractal Trader

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37 posted on 06/02/2012 5:37:49 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: ApplegateRanch
-- Swept under the rug as "too big to fail". --

Similar things happen from time to time, not at the level of president of the USA, but other offices. The courts use what is referred to as the "de facto officer doctrine" when an elected official is later found to be ineligible from the get-go.

The only "given" substantial shake-up is removal of the ineligible officer. Congress can, of course, change whatever laws it sees fit to.

38 posted on 06/02/2012 6:01:29 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Smokin' Joe
That's been their plan all along, but Billy popped his mouth off and threw a monkey wrench in the gears.

This plan can only work if the Clinton's have plausible denyalibility that they did not know Zippo was ineligible.

Billy has let it be known he is fully aware Zippo is ineligible so Hillary has now knowingly violated the law by accepting her appointment.

The only way it works now is not step in and save the party, but to seize absolute power.

39 posted on 06/02/2012 6:11:36 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: esquirette

Curious - Since Obama released his birth certificate, why would he file a motion to stay discovery? It just makes no sense.

Oh wait a minute, there is a possibility...


40 posted on 06/02/2012 6:12:36 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: MtnClimber
while it is true that Obambi looks more like FMD than his alleged real father, I think he more closely resembles a spawn of Malcolm X.

obama (the father????)

fank marshall davis

41 posted on 06/02/2012 6:23:45 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: MtnClimber

Unless his father is really Frank Marshall Davis (who zer0 looks like) he is unlikely to be a natural born citizen. Those in the cross hairs for treason are not just Mr and Mrs Zero, but pelosi and many DNC aparichaks.


Fraud and forgery are felonies punishable in federal prison...perhaps he can be a cellmate of Jon Corzine.


42 posted on 06/02/2012 7:52:40 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Triple

The reason he wants to stay discovery is probably because A: there is likely no paper copy and B: authentication will lead to cross examination and C: it’s going to be a can of worms because in Florida, anything is fair game that might lead to admissible evidence.


43 posted on 06/02/2012 10:45:14 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: South Dakota

“Sorry obama looks like Malcom x”

I agree with Malcolm-X as the Daddy….. Google Images : Michelle’s Dress on election Night

That Ugly Black dress with Red spots & the Black “X” in the center…. I did not get the symbolism at the time; but, now I know this was a tribute to “Malcolm -X”!!

Why would you put a young child in a Black Dress & the other girl in a Red dress…… They were all dressed to make a statement & most of us missed it.

Red for Communism & Black for Black Power..... These colors were associated with Malcolm-X

“1959, Khrushchev expanded on his previous statement:

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“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”
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In my Opinion Obama is Malcom-X’s legacy to the rise of communism in US!!


44 posted on 06/02/2012 11:09:09 AM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Smokin' Joe; MHGinTN

I think she is done. She wants out and there will be no 2016 either.


45 posted on 06/02/2012 11:10:56 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Bob

Right, it is Florida. I didn’t scan for it the first time. ;-)

“4/23/2012 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE ASHLEY DAVIS (Attorney) on behalf of KEN DETZNER SECRETARY OF STATE OF FLORIDA (DEFENDANT)”

http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=dockets&addQuery=real_case.case_id=%2758101756%27


46 posted on 06/02/2012 11:31:27 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fractal Trader

This man should never have been POTUS. He has kept everything about himself hidden. Reminds me of Hillary when she tried to hide her super secret health care bill. Why was she writing a health care bill in the first place? She was not elected.


47 posted on 06/02/2012 11:46:15 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: South Dakota

“Sorry obama looks like Malcom x.”

...or Frank Marshall Davis...

...or Martin Luther King.....

How about he looks like his mom Stanley Ann only with negroid features?

This sort of speculation is specious. Obama looks like himself and both his mother and himself both claim Barack Obama Sr. as his father. In a court of law that matters.

IMHO the genes flowing through your veins in not as important as the influence of the parents that raise you. Obama’s parental influences have been varied from a communist Kenyan father, to a Indonesian adopted father, to his Kansas grown communist grandfather, to again his home grown communist and domestic terrorist father figures in the Ayers family.

I don’t know who Barack really is,no one does, but one thing for certain, he has designs on making the US a third rate country with himself and others like him in charge and eating Kobe beef forever.


48 posted on 06/02/2012 12:21:43 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: wildbill
The ramifications would be so huge with doubts being cast on every appointment and signed law during his term of office that I doubt any judge would have the stomach for it.

Well, it's pretty obvious none have yet shown the love of the Republic, the Constitution, or the law sufficient to go out on a limb and demand the originals be produced or rule against Duh Won.

Perhaps fear of the continued mess we are in (and worse) will be sufficient to rule and expose what has been described as a 'Constitutional Crisis' rather than chance unleashing the minions for another round of trashing the Constitution.

The damage already done is unreal, the next round would be lame duck and would proceed with impunity (as if this one hasn't). I think even the savvy MSM types are beginning to understand they've created a monster.

As for the ramifications, many of those could be minimized with a ruling, whereas allowing the policies to stand and be built upon may be far worse than the problems which would arise short term. It is a question of what would be uglier, 'cause it isn't going to be pretty either way.

49 posted on 06/02/2012 12:44:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: GregNH
I think she is done. She wants out and there will be no 2016 either.

I agree GNH. She goes for weeks on end without any publicity. When she does appear, it's without makeup. In this business, it suggests a person who is coasting and putting in the hours, watching the clock, until it's time to punch out.

50 posted on 06/02/2012 3:27:56 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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