Skip to comments.Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm
Posted on 06/02/2012 2:55:56 PM PDT by Daffynition
Erik Scott was a West Point graduate who went on to serve honorably in the Army, get his MBA from Duke and establish a lucrative career in real estate and as a sales rep for a medical device company. He was 38 years old when he was gunned down in 2010 in the portico of a Las Vegas area Costco store by officers from the Las Vegas Metro Police Department. While it was 7 bullets from the only people were supposed to trust with guns that snuffed out Erik Scotts life, what really killed him was an irrational fear of firearms hoplophobia
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I can’t believe media didn’t jump all over this when it happened in 2010
Those cops were so dirty
and that wanna be at costco who stirred the vops up needs to be shot. just a little, mayvbe in the leg
or maybe....just a little higher up.
“I cant believe media didnt jump all over this when it happened in 2010.”
First I’ve ever heard of this; they buried/ignored it, bigtime.
or maybe....just a little higher up.
I like your thinking
It is hard to believe this fine man who served our country so well would get gunned down by other citizens
and then the cops were allowed to plant a gun and get a judge to clear them
I wonder if it is too late to see these cops charged with something
Ignored? This was in the news and especially prominent here on FR at the time. The investigation and coverup was monumental. Not sure how anyone paying attention could have missed it.
I am definitely interested in reading the permit!
That was well before my time here, r. I didn’t see or read it anywhere else on the Net.
Holy Crap !!
I remember this.
The first stages for being a police state is already in place. Those cops should be charges with murder.
“That was well before my time here, r. I didnt see or read it anywhere else on the Net.”
See what you missed!!! This got extensive coverage at FR
“As the officer began yelling and Scott realized he was the subject of the commands, he turned, lifting his hands, and apparently tried to follow the legal requirement to immediately inform an officer that he was an armed weapons permit holder, but he didnt have time.”
“The officers frantic orders lasted for a slow count of 3 and were immediately followed by the two gunshots, a momentary pause, and a volley of several more shots.”
If we had a *search* function here, that really worked ...I would have found previous stories posted.
Ya beat me to one of ‘em...
That story is a complete distortion of the truth. Eric’s dad is the author, and he has written a piece of fiction. It would not be nearly as interesting if the truth was told.
I live here in Vegas and have followed the story very closely, including all the testimony at the inquest.
Eric had more than a dozen prescription drugs in his system, some at lethal levels. As someone who has taken paid meds for years, Eric had probably devolved a tolerance for the drugs and was using way to high of safe dose. This may have impaired his judgement.
His girlfriend was stealing prescriptions from the doctor she worked for. When confronted, she fled the state and has not been heard from since. She more than likely kept him supplied with the meds. Last I heard was the investigation into her was at a standstill, but it does appear she only provided meds for Eric and no one else.
Eric got into an argument with a COSTCO employee over his concealed carry pistol (It seen by a customer and an employee). COSTCO is private property and in Nevada you can be asked to leave for ANY reason, failure to do so on the spot is trespass.
The employee who called the cops escalated this by calling in a man with a gun. The report claimed Eric was violent and erratic, witness contradict this to some degree. Costco ordered an evacuation of the store (fire alarm). Where the cops were waiting. Someone also followed Eric out of the store and when he was at the exit they yelled “He’s the One” or “He has a Gun” witnesses heard both.
Lead officer gave him commands that can be clearly heard on the tape, but other commands and voices can also be heard.
Eric assumed the position (hands up) and reached for his gun, and removed it and the holster (gun never came out of the holster) and he was shot.
The holster was an Uncle Mikes type cheapie nylon. I have one and you could put you finger in it and fire the gun easily while it was holstered.
On the audio tape played at the inquest, I believe there was more than one command given to Eric by the cops. It sounds like multiple commands, witness say there was a lot of confusion, many people were VERY close to officers, the additional voices heard may not even be police.
If Eric had never touched is gun and remained with his hands up he would be alive today.
He was not even facing arrest at this point, 99% of trespasser’s are told to leave and not return. End of story.
The search of Eric later did found a second gun. This not uncommon in Vegas. I have carried two in many occasions.
Eric’s second gun was not registered properly with Clark County, again no big deal. They take it, you get it back after a fine and paperwork. It happens all the time to law abiding citizens.
It is a shame Eric died, I find the majority of fault with him and the employee who called it in. The police acted appropriately based on the information they were given and based on the actions of Eric.
George Knapp a Las Vegas newsman probably has done more about this story than anyone else. Mr. Knapp is also the host on the Sunday edition of the popular late-night radio show CoastToCoastAM. When it happened Mr. Knapp spent a lot of time reporting about it on C2C.
unbelievable...many people simply should not be in positions of power! I hope these “cops” lost their jobs and are in jail now.
99 percent of cops are slugs and give the 1 percent of good ones a bad name. I grew up w a lot a cops and they are mostly criminals w badges.
I feel so deprived, d. And I thought I was fairly well-read on the Net. I honest-to-heck don’t remember this story anywhere at all in 2010-11.
I found the archive link to it, and will go do some reading.
The whole sitch reminds of the cops who shoot dogs (who aren’t threaten the officer(s))but the cops just over-react and go all trigger happy.
As America slips into third world dictator status I expect the number of people who will be costcoed in the future to increase.
:)...search function here is worthless.
“I have one and you could put you finger in it and fire the gun easily while it was holstered.”
Odd. I tried it with mine and it would be damned awkward. Even more so since Scott was carrying without a round in the chamber.
The bottom line for me was they opened fire without giving him a chance to comply. From the tape:
14:11 (D): And do they see him?
14:12 (SL): Ah, negative.
14:13 (D): Have they walked out the door right now? What is that guy doing right this...
14:16 (Unidentified Officers Voice(s) in Background): Put your hands where I see them now, drop it, get on the ground, get on the ground...
[At 14:18, multiple, rapidly fired gunshots can be clearly heard in the background.]
[Officer call sign 2V16, probably Mosher, at 19:11, radios, and the transcript indicates hes yelling: 2V16, we got shots fired, shots fired! The Dispatcher asks if anyone is down and 2V16 does not directly reply, saying only Roll medical. Approximately 27 seconds later, 2V16 is asked if it is safe for others to enter the building. He does not respond to this question but blurts out: He pulled a 413 and pointed it in my direction. Is this an officer who is still unsettled by the shock of a shooting, or an officer trying to get information on the record that he knows will help him later? This was apparently not pursued at the Inquest.]
14:19 (D): Shay. Hello. Shay.
14:20 (SL): He pulled a firearm. Yeah, Im here, Im here.
At 14:12, the cops have not figured out that Eric Scott is the ‘deranged suspect’, yet at 14:18 they are shooting. What happened in 6 seconds that made them go from ‘where is he’ to ‘must shoot to save our lives’?
In that time frame, how could ANYONE have complied?
I’d be willing to bet Trigger Finger didn’t mean to shoot Scott. I’d bet he had his finger on the trigger of his Glock, and was just so tense he fired by accident - and then everyone else joined in.
“The Officers were clearly caught by surprise to find Scott, a man who moments earlier walked past them and was obviously unremarkable, suddenly identified as the suspect, in their midst. Drawing down on him, their commands and responses were hasty, uncoordinated, and everyone in the immediate area including themselves was in danger, but not from Scott, from the Officers, who were likely pointing their weapons at each other with Scott between them (due to “tunnel vision” they would almost certainly have been unaware of the danger). Scott had, from the sound of the first command, only about two seconds to save his life. Witnesses testified that he was clearly surprised— anyone would be—but given the time frame, he did not have sufficient time to respond to any command before being shot in the heart, and if he did, in fact, reach toward his right side, it may have been nothing more than a last ditch reaction to the surprise and stress, an attempt to disarm himself and defuse the situation. It was almost certainly not an attempt to shoot the Officers. “
Did COSTCO actually *lose* the video of the event?
Heaven forbid, you try to video tape the cops in action...
Here's another Nevada story from Las Vegas newsman George Knapp that may be of interest..
and just maybe someone here has a clue that the northern Nevada sheriff's office could use.
I have traveled the I-80 route and I know others driving to Utah from Sacramento also use I-80 across norther Nevada.
"In 2009, the FBI established a task force to look at serial killers working as truck drivers. Since then, the bureau has profiled more than 200 possible trucker killers and more than 500 murder victims, many of them prostitutes.
"At least 10 suspected serial killers have been arrested, including Chester Todd who was picked up in February in Las Vegas, suspected in a string of rapes and murders.
"The bureau has a map of possible trucker slayings, including six in Nevada, but, has done little to publicize the task force and would not comment on this report."
Very informative post. I still believe the cops did not give him time to comply, and find your comment about the holster to be questionable, but overall you provide good information. Thanks.
Much more comprehensive description here-
As Erik Scott walked to the exit, more than a dozen police cruisers rolled up. Officers jumped out, yelled conflicting commands at Scott Get on the ground! Drop your weapon! Keep your hands up! and then shot him within two seconds of issuing those commands, Scott says, citing dispatch recordings.
Mosher, who shot and killed a citizen in 2006, shot him twice, and Mendiola and Stark shot him five times in his back, after he fell, Scott says.
Police didnt take possession of Costcos video until five days later, but the segments of the shooting were found to be corrupted.
The same day as the shooting, the Public Administrator, a former Vegas officer, and a police officer used a locksmith to gain entry to Eriks condo, where they confiscated a West Point saber mounted in a shadow box and a pistol he kept in a drawer, logging those items in police reports.
But after the search was conducted, the family realized two other handguns were missing and not logged in police reports. Scott contends the cops wanted a second gun, because they claimed Erik pulled a gun on them, prompting them to fire. But that story didnt gibe with a report medics had written for their employer, American Medical Response, saying the gun was still on Erik, when he was placed inside the ambulance. Medics gave the gun to police, and photos of the shooting scene taken by police show a handgun and a phone on the pavement, after the pavement had been washed of blood, Scott says.
If I recall correctly, the vidoes were quickly siezed by the police - and then mysteriously found to be defective. Aka scrubbed.
This matches up with several other eyewitness claims that officers William Mosher, Joshua Stark, and Thomas Mendiola fired nearly immediately after shouting conflicting commands at Scott, giving him little or no time to respond. Four other witnesses within 20 feet of the stores entrance all agree that Scott never brandished a weapon or made a move that could be interpreted as brandishing a weapon.
At what point are we going to rebel from these governments run amok?
It's done deliberately and with the purpose of tricking the police into doing exactly what these Vegas police did -- only it's you and it's done at your home.
I believe that they did. But it was to cover up for the cops.
Well, what was the command?
What were those other commands?
It sounds like multiple commands
Were all the commands the same?
If they said they found 15 or 20 extra guns on him I would believe it. Thjey planted them there, why shouldn’t they find them. The only thing more repugnant and discipicle about that incident is someone that alibis for and defends those who done it. The poor guy was murdered in cold blood.
One story Scott's Girlfriend a No-Show at Coroner's Inquest with lots of reader comments about what was described above vis-a-vis the girlfriend.
I’ve been reading thru the posts at the Erik Scott Index Archive, bottom-to-top, to get it into time-line perspective.
I can’t believe what I’m reading there. How the heck did I miss all that, despite not being on FR? I’m so truly stunned and saddened at what happened. I have some friends and former customers who are LEOs, in various agencies, and I can’t imagine any of them doing something this. I know them too well. I’ve never personally run into a corrupt LEO, but they’re out there, I know.
That said, I hope the truth comes out, and Erik Scott receives due justice for what happened.
Well, the truth is out! But they don’t give a shit...we need to take our nation back!
When they told him to, he obeyed and laid down with his hands above his head while the trained guns on him.
Then they shot while him screaming, “he’s reaching for his gun” trying to alter the witnesses’ experiences to confuse them. The witnesses that were interviewed held their own minds and were not effected by the manipulation. The victim’s hands were no where near the gun.
Agreed. Theres a *Tree* somewhere, which truly needs refreshing...
This is so dirty it makes me sick.