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Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm
WND ^ | June 2, 1012 | Jeff Knox

Posted on 06/02/2012 2:55:56 PM PDT by Daffynition

Erik Scott was a West Point graduate who went on to serve honorably in the Army, get his MBA from Duke and establish a lucrative career in real estate and as a sales rep for a medical device company. He was 38 years old when he was gunned down in 2010 in the portico of a Las Vegas area Costco store by officers from the Las Vegas Metro Police Department. While it was 7 bullets from the only people we’re supposed to trust with guns that snuffed out Erik Scott’s life, what really killed him was an irrational fear of firearms – hoplophobia

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; standingarmy
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1 posted on 06/02/2012 2:56:03 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition
The Permit


2 posted on 06/02/2012 3:02:03 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

I can’t believe media didn’t jump all over this when it happened in 2010

Those cops were so dirty
and that wanna be at costco who stirred the vops up needs to be shot. just a little, mayvbe in the leg


3 posted on 06/02/2012 3:02:17 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: RWGinger
"and that wanna be at costco who stirred the vops up needs to be shot. just a little, mayvbe in the leg"

or maybe....just a little higher up.

4 posted on 06/02/2012 3:07:58 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: RWGinger

“I can’t believe media didn’t jump all over this when it happened in 2010.”

First I’ve ever heard of this; they buried/ignored it, bigtime.


5 posted on 06/02/2012 3:13:07 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: NoGrayZone

or maybe....just a little higher up.

I like your thinking

It is hard to believe this fine man who served our country so well would get gunned down by other citizens

and then the cops were allowed to plant a gun and get a judge to clear them

I wonder if it is too late to see these cops charged with something


6 posted on 06/02/2012 3:13:20 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: carriage_hill

Ignored? This was in the news and especially prominent here on FR at the time. The investigation and coverup was monumental. Not sure how anyone paying attention could have missed it.


7 posted on 06/02/2012 3:17:29 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Daffynition

I am definitely interested in reading the permit!


8 posted on 06/02/2012 3:23:24 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: rickomatic

That was well before my time here, r. I didn’t see or read it anywhere else on the Net.


9 posted on 06/02/2012 3:29:30 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Daffynition

Holy Crap !!

I remember this.


10 posted on 06/02/2012 3:33:25 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Daffynition

The first stages for being a police state is already in place. Those cops should be charges with murder.


11 posted on 06/02/2012 3:34:28 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: carriage_hill

“That was well before my time here, r. I didn’t see or read it anywhere else on the Net.”

See what you missed!!! This got extensive coverage at FR


12 posted on 06/02/2012 3:40:22 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Daffynition

“As the officer began yelling and Scott realized he was the subject of the commands, he turned, lifting his hands, and apparently tried to follow the legal requirement to immediately inform an officer that he was an armed weapons permit holder, but he didn’t have time.”

“The officer’s frantic orders lasted for a slow count of 3 and were immediately followed by the two gunshots, a momentary pause, and a volley of several more shots.”

Chickens*** cops!


13 posted on 06/02/2012 3:42:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: Delta 21

If we had a *search* function here, that really worked ...I would have found previous stories posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2601801/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617317/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579595/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2597044/posts


14 posted on 06/02/2012 3:43:10 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Links:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2601801/posts?page=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2591097/posts

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306409.php


15 posted on 06/02/2012 3:44:20 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Daffynition

Ya beat me to one of ‘em...

;>)


16 posted on 06/02/2012 3:45:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: RWGinger

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/officer-deadly-shooting-says-man-pointed-gun-didnt/

17 posted on 06/02/2012 3:50:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Daffynition

That story is a complete distortion of the truth. Eric’s dad is the author, and he has written a piece of fiction. It would not be nearly as interesting if the truth was told.

I live here in Vegas and have followed the story very closely, including all the testimony at the inquest.

Eric had more than a dozen prescription drugs in his system, some at lethal levels. As someone who has taken paid meds for years, Eric had probably devolved a tolerance for the drugs and was using way to high of safe dose. This may have impaired his judgement.

His girlfriend was stealing prescriptions from the doctor she worked for. When confronted, she fled the state and has not been heard from since. She more than likely kept him supplied with the meds. Last I heard was the investigation into her was at a standstill, but it does appear she only provided meds for Eric and no one else.

Eric got into an argument with a COSTCO employee over his concealed carry pistol (It seen by a customer and an employee). COSTCO is private property and in Nevada you can be asked to leave for ANY reason, failure to do so on the spot is trespass.

The employee who called the cops escalated this by calling in a man with a gun. The report claimed Eric was violent and erratic, witness contradict this to some degree. Costco ordered an evacuation of the store (fire alarm). Where the cops were waiting. Someone also followed Eric out of the store and when he was at the exit they yelled “He’s the One” or “He has a Gun” witnesses heard both.

Lead officer gave him commands that can be clearly heard on the tape, but other commands and voices can also be heard.

Eric assumed the position (hands up) and reached for his gun, and removed it and the holster (gun never came out of the holster) and he was shot.

The holster was an Uncle Mikes type cheapie nylon. I have one and you could put you finger in it and fire the gun easily while it was holstered.

On the audio tape played at the inquest, I believe there was more than one command given to Eric by the cops. It sounds like multiple commands, witness say there was a lot of confusion, many people were VERY close to officers, the additional voices heard may not even be police.

If Eric had never touched is gun and remained with his hands up he would be alive today.

He was not even facing arrest at this point, 99% of trespasser’s are told to leave and not return. End of story.

The search of Eric later did found a second gun. This not uncommon in Vegas. I have carried two in many occasions.
Eric’s second gun was not registered properly with Clark County, again no big deal. They take it, you get it back after a fine and paperwork. It happens all the time to law abiding citizens.

It is a shame Eric died, I find the majority of fault with him and the employee who called it in. The police acted appropriately based on the information they were given and based on the actions of Eric.


18 posted on 06/02/2012 3:53:40 PM PDT by JimBianchi11 (The 2A is the cornerstone of our free society. Those that don't support it, oppose it.)
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To: Daffynition
why weren't these scumbags sued into oblivion in civil court for wrongful death???
19 posted on 06/02/2012 3:54:43 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Daffynition
I-Team: Father of Man Shot by Police at Costco Speaks

George Knapp a Las Vegas newsman probably has done more about this story than anyone else. Mr. Knapp is also the host on the Sunday edition of the popular late-night radio show CoastToCoastAM. When it happened Mr. Knapp spent a lot of time reporting about it on C2C.

20 posted on 06/02/2012 3:55:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Daffynition

unbelievable...many people simply should not be in positions of power! I hope these “cops” lost their jobs and are in jail now.


21 posted on 06/02/2012 3:56:38 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Daffynition

99 percent of cops are slugs and give the 1 percent of good ones a bad name. I grew up w a lot a cops and they are mostly criminals w badges.


22 posted on 06/02/2012 3:58:35 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: dennisw

I feel so deprived, d. And I thought I was fairly well-read on the Net. I honest-to-heck don’t remember this story anywhere at all in 2010-11.

I found the archive link to it, and will go do some reading.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/erikscott/index?tab=articles


23 posted on 06/02/2012 4:05:51 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: JimBianchi11

The whole sitch reminds of the cops who shoot dogs (who aren’t threaten the officer(s))but the cops just over-react and go all trigger happy.

As America slips into third world dictator status I expect the number of people who will be costcoed in the future to increase.


24 posted on 06/02/2012 4:06:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: fabian
Au contraire: The National Association of Police Organizations has honored two Metro Police officers who were involved in the fatal shooting of Erik Scott
25 posted on 06/02/2012 4:07:35 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Mr Rogers

:)...search function here is worthless.


26 posted on 06/02/2012 4:09:16 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: JimBianchi11

“I have one and you could put you finger in it and fire the gun easily while it was holstered.”

Odd. I tried it with mine and it would be damned awkward. Even more so since Scott was carrying without a round in the chamber.

The bottom line for me was they opened fire without giving him a chance to comply. From the tape:

14:11 (D): “And do they see him?”

14:12 (SL): “Ah, negative.”

14:13 (D): “Have they walked out the door right now? What is that guy doing right this...”

14:16 (Unidentified Officer’s Voice(s) in Background): “Put your hands where I see them now, drop it, get on the ground, get on the ground...”

[At 14:18, multiple, rapidly fired gunshots can be clearly heard in the background.]

[Officer call sign 2V16, probably Mosher, at 19:11, radios, and the transcript indicates he’s yelling: “2V16, we got shots fired, shots fired!” The Dispatcher asks if anyone is down and 2V16 does not directly reply, saying only “Roll medical.” Approximately 27 seconds later, 2V16 is asked if it is safe for others to enter the building. He does not respond to this question but blurts out: “He pulled a 413 and pointed it in my direction.” Is this an officer who is still unsettled by the shock of a shooting, or an officer trying to get information on the record that he knows will help him later? This was apparently not pursued at the Inquest.]

14:19 (D): “Shay. Hello. Shay.”

14:20 (SL): “He pulled a firearm. Yeah, I’m here, I’m here.”

At 14:12, the cops have not figured out that Eric Scott is the ‘deranged suspect’, yet at 14:18 they are shooting. What happened in 6 seconds that made them go from ‘where is he’ to ‘must shoot to save our lives’?

In that time frame, how could ANYONE have complied?

I’d be willing to bet Trigger Finger didn’t mean to shoot Scott. I’d bet he had his finger on the trigger of his Glock, and was just so tense he fired by accident - and then everyone else joined in.


27 posted on 06/02/2012 4:14:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Dr. Pritchett
This is a free, serialized book of fiction, with a new chapter posted every week. "The Permit" was inspired by the actual event of my son, Erik Scott, being killed in Las Vegas, Nevada, on July 10, 2010 (www.erikbscott.com). Although certain elements are true, this is strictly a work of fiction, a product of my imagination, and all characters bear no relationship to actual persons, living or dead. However, a number of technologies and weapon systems depicted herein do exist. Please start with the “New PREFACE,” below. — William B. Scott

Chapter One starts here

28 posted on 06/02/2012 4:14:56 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: JimBianchi11

“The Officers were clearly caught by surprise to find Scott, a man who moments earlier walked past them and was obviously unremarkable, suddenly identified as the suspect, in their midst. Drawing down on him, their commands and responses were hasty, uncoordinated, and everyone in the immediate area including themselves was in danger, but not from Scott, from the Officers, who were likely pointing their weapons at each other with Scott between them (due to “tunnel vision” they would almost certainly have been unaware of the danger). Scott had, from the sound of the first command, only about two seconds to save his life. Witnesses testified that he was clearly “surprised”— anyone would be—but given the time frame, he did not have sufficient time to respond to any command before being shot in the heart, and if he did, in fact, reach toward his right side, it may have been nothing more than a last ditch reaction to the surprise and stress, an attempt to disarm himself and defuse the situation. It was almost certainly not an attempt to shoot the Officers. “

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306409.php


29 posted on 06/02/2012 4:15:35 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: JimBianchi11

Did COSTCO actually *lose* the video of the event?


30 posted on 06/02/2012 4:23:02 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Heaven forbid, you try to video tape the cops in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt70pnWkx7w


31 posted on 06/02/2012 4:26:18 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: All
I-Team: Is a Serial Killer Hunting Motorists in Northern Nevada?

Here's another Nevada story from Las Vegas newsman George Knapp that may be of interest..

and just maybe someone here has a clue that the northern Nevada sheriff's office could use.

I have traveled the I-80 route and I know others driving to Utah from Sacramento also use I-80 across norther Nevada.

"In 2009, the FBI established a task force to look at serial killers working as truck drivers. Since then, the bureau has profiled more than 200 possible trucker killers and more than 500 murder victims, many of them prostitutes.

"At least 10 suspected serial killers have been arrested, including Chester Todd who was picked up in February in Las Vegas, suspected in a string of rapes and murders.

"The bureau has a map of possible trucker slayings, including six in Nevada, but, has done little to publicize the task force and would not comment on this report."

32 posted on 06/02/2012 4:32:23 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: JimBianchi11

Very informative post. I still believe the cops did not give him time to comply, and find your comment about the holster to be questionable, but overall you provide good information. Thanks.


33 posted on 06/02/2012 4:32:42 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Daffynition

Much more comprehensive description here-

http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/

As Erik Scott walked to the exit, more than a dozen police cruisers rolled up. Officers jumped out, yelled conflicting commands at Scott — “Get on the ground!” “Drop your weapon!” “Keep your hands up!” — and then shot him within two seconds of issuing those commands, Scott says, citing dispatch recordings.

Mosher, who shot and killed a citizen in 2006, shot him twice, and Mendiola and Stark shot him five times in his back, after he fell, Scott says.

Police didn’t take possession of Costco’s video until five days later, but the segments of the shooting were found to be corrupted.

The same day as the shooting, the Public Administrator, a former Vegas officer, and a police officer used a locksmith to gain entry to Erik’s condo, where they confiscated a West Point saber mounted in a shadow box and a pistol he kept in a drawer, logging those items in police reports.

But after the search was conducted, the family realized two other handguns were missing and not logged in police reports. Scott contends the cops wanted a second gun, because they claimed Erik pulled a gun on them, prompting them to fire. But that story didn’t gibe with a report medics had written for their employer, American Medical Response, saying the gun was still on Erik, when he was placed inside the ambulance. Medics gave the gun to police, and photos of the shooting scene taken by police show a handgun and a phone on the pavement, after the pavement had been washed of blood, Scott says.


34 posted on 06/02/2012 4:32:42 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Mitt Romney is the supreme exemplification of the word SMARMY.)
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To: Daffynition

If I recall correctly, the vidoes were quickly siezed by the police - and then mysteriously found to be defective. Aka scrubbed.


35 posted on 06/02/2012 4:36:15 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Daffynition
This is from PJ Media...” After hearing the shots I see the guy going down. I looked at — I saw his hands. His hands had no gun in it. I looked on the ground because — just, I just did that. I looked down and I didn’t see a gun. I saw what I thought were maybe sunglasses. And a pen.

This matches up with several other eyewitness claims that officers William Mosher, Joshua Stark, and Thomas Mendiola fired nearly immediately after shouting conflicting commands at Scott, giving him little or no time to respond. Four other witnesses within 20 feet of the store’s entrance all agree that Scott never brandished a weapon or made a move that could be interpreted as brandishing a weapon.
At what point are we going to rebel from these governments run amok?

36 posted on 06/02/2012 4:38:20 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: JimBianchi11
Eric assumed the position (hands up) and reached for his gun, and removed it and the holster (gun never came out of the holster) and he was shot. . . .

. . . . The police acted appropriately based on the information they were given and based on the actions of Eric.


Amazing cognitive dissonance on your part.
37 posted on 06/02/2012 4:43:13 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: All
Speaking of confusion, police shootings, death, and in this case the homeowner and family wondering what the hell happened.. it's called SWAT-ing. (In case some have not seen this.)

Conservative bloggers say they're targets of dangerous 'SWAT-ing' prank

It's done deliberately and with the purpose of tricking the police into doing exactly what these Vegas police did -- only it's you and it's done at your home.

38 posted on 06/02/2012 4:47:20 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Mr Rogers


39 posted on 06/02/2012 4:49:03 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: RWGinger

I believe that they did. But it was to cover up for the cops.


40 posted on 06/02/2012 4:55:27 PM PDT by sport
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To: JimBianchi11
Lead officer gave him commands that can be clearly heard on the tape, but other commands and voices can also be heard.

Well, what was the command?

What were those other commands?

It sounds like multiple commands

Were all the commands the same?

41 posted on 06/02/2012 4:55:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JimBianchi11

If they said they found 15 or 20 extra guns on him I would believe it. Thjey planted them there, why shouldn’t they find them. The only thing more repugnant and discipicle about that incident is someone that alibis for and defends those who done it. The poor guy was murdered in cold blood.


42 posted on 06/02/2012 5:02:57 PM PDT by sport
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To: JimBianchi11
These links to stories on KLAS

One story Scott's Girlfriend a No-Show at Coroner's Inquest with lots of reader comments about what was described above vis-a-vis the girlfriend.

43 posted on 06/02/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Moe, Larry & Curly.
44 posted on 06/02/2012 5:12:18 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: dennisw; rickomatic

I’ve been reading thru the posts at the Erik Scott Index Archive, bottom-to-top, to get it into time-line perspective.

O.M.G.

I can’t believe what I’m reading there. How the heck did I miss all that, despite not being on FR? I’m so truly stunned and saddened at what happened. I have some friends and former customers who are LEOs, in various agencies, and I can’t imagine any of them doing something this. I know them too well. I’ve never personally run into a corrupt LEO, but they’re out there, I know.

That said, I hope the truth comes out, and Erik Scott receives due justice for what happened.


45 posted on 06/02/2012 5:44:36 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

Well, the truth is out! But they don’t give a shit...we need to take our nation back!


46 posted on 06/02/2012 5:48:38 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: RWGinger

When they told him to, he obeyed and laid down with his hands above his head while the trained guns on him.

Then they shot while him screaming, “he’s reaching for his gun” trying to alter the witnesses’ experiences to confuse them. The witnesses that were interviewed held their own minds and were not effected by the manipulation. The victim’s hands were no where near the gun.


47 posted on 06/02/2012 5:49:46 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: fabian

Agreed. There’s a *Tree* somewhere, which truly needs refreshing...


48 posted on 06/02/2012 5:59:19 PM PDT by carriage_hill (All liberals & most demoncraps think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Daffynition

WHEN DID BUDDY HACKETT BECOME A POLICE OFFICER?
49 posted on 06/02/2012 6:16:38 PM PDT by az.b1bbomberfxr
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To: matthew fuller

This is so dirty it makes me sick.


50 posted on 06/02/2012 6:35:49 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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