Posted on 06/02/2012 3:14:29 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Screw all of you “Public Servants” you can live on your savings supplemented by Social Security, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, You are NOT SPECIAL PEOPLE. For the most part you are lying,corrupt,morally bankrupt pieces of shit. Now I know that about 10% are decent people, but the 90% make you look bad and you refuse to do anything about it , so SCREW YOU Public Servants.
Yes, work 20 years and be fixed for life
You obviously have no clue. For example: A 24 year E-6 makes approx. $20k/yr retirement. Does this compare to $95k? It’s enough to keep the wolf away from the door if: you already own your home, never buy a newer than 4 year old vehicle, buy generic groceries, live in a relatively reasonable COL area with low property taxes, never eat out, don’t smoke and spend most of your time cloistered in your modest home.
Why do you keep bragging about your pension that was stolen from productive members of society?
How many people know that the MARINES pay for their FOOD?
Not accurate. If you are a bachelor E-5 and below, you are authorized to eat at the mess hall/dining facility. E-6 and above are offered commuted rations(meal allowance), if they so desire and must pay (a very, very cheap rate) to eat at the mess hall. This is the same as married enlisted.
Some TDY/TAD assignments will allow per diem pay or a period of a meal allowance to subsist on the local economy.
I know for a fact that enlisted E-5 and below eat for free at the mess hall unless raions not available, in which case they draw additional pay for that.
“Yeah it seems that retired Firefighter and police have become whipping boys.”
And then you whine for paragraphs about how hard your job was.
So here’s why you’re whipping boys: you volunteered to take that job. Nobody forced you. You made good money, and now you’re making great money in retirement.
But you didn’t get that money in the free market. You got it from me because of a UNION. Which “negotiates” with politicians for salaries — and then donates tons of money to reelect those same politicians.
And by “negotiate,” I mean your union threatens the public safety by work stoppages or striking every time your contracts expire. You threaten me and mine.
And by “negotiate,” I mean the politicians beholden to you for donations give you exactly what you want. Every time. You get to name your own salary and retirement. I pay it — I’m your employer — and I don’t have a say in what you get paid.
Plenty of people would do a good job at your profession for half the money. But will they get a chance? No. Unions. Will I get a chance to pay market rates for your services? No. Unions.
It rankles. It burns. Those of us who have to compete in the free market for jobs, where the market determines our worth, are fed up with it.
And that’s why you’re whipping boys: you earned it.
You piss and moan, but you elected those politicians who gave those pensions and benefits.
If you could have passed the test you could have been a firefighter.
It rankles , it burns because you chose a different career and it didn’t turn out as well for you, now things
get tight and you cry.
You look at people who earned a pension and you don’t have one so you cry, “Oh I got screwed”
“Plenty of people would do a good job at your profession for half the money. But will they get a chance? No. Unions. Will I get a chance to pay market rates for your services? No. Unions”
The Union has no say in who is hired. You apply, they give a test and the best applicants are hired, along with many affirmative action hires. You could have applied, stop crying because you chose the wrong career. Is there a lot of applicants? Sure there are. In todays market certainly a lot would work for half the salary, when things get better they do like you ,they go elsewhere because they think they can make more.
Half the jobs in this country could get people who would work for half now that they are out of work.The other half just cry about someone else having a job.
My Federal Employee Pension was EARNED, every cent of it.
Welcome to the club. I get a pension from a bankrupt private sector company.
We'll all get our pensions, and our Social Security too, it's just going to be in the form of Baraqqi/Bernanke minibucks.
So the reason you brag about your federal pension on every pension thread is because “My Federal Employee Pension was EARNED, every cent of it”?
I believe it is a sign of immaturity and selfishness. People like you make me hope they cut all public pensions back to something reasonable, like the “pensions” the federal goverment forced me to pay into which pays about seventeen grand a year.
Your wages, your pension and your superduty extra strength healthcare were stolen from chumps like me. Just like my greedy “christian” neighbor who goes to church every weekend and looks down his nose at those who dont.
Firefighter who “worked” 22 years, then hired an attorney and faked a bad ticker so he could get full disability when he retired so he could scam more money. Retired and still works hard all day at construction.
Another parasite leaching off the hard work of others
I forgot to add that he makes almost 100 grand a year with full medical. To top that off he divorced, remarried and has three minor children on the plan.
If thats not enough, he just let his house go after borrowing 400 grand on it 4 years ago. Renting now and it cost him almost as much as the mortgage. He just wants to start over and build another house.
Your typical public employee
If you could have passed the test you could have been a firefighter.
From the firefighters I see, that test can't be too hard. Further, for every firefighter open position I see there are hundreds of applicants. If it wasn't such a good deal, all those people wouldn't be fighting to get that job. There was an open position in San Jose not too long ago with 3,000 applicants. That means they're paying too much right there.
If firefighting was so blasted dangerous, why is it 17 times more likely that a tree trimmer will die on the job than a firefighter? Those tree guys (often illegals) get paid almost nothing by comparison, and the job is physically a lot tougher. And please don't tell me about the technical training; I can fantasize complex arboricultural training standards and certifications as fast as you can for firefighting. Ninety percent of the firefighter job involves nothing nearly so complex such that it could be done by others doing it full time. The reason for a lot of those training demands have little to do with firefighting and more to do with politically-negotiated turf.
EMT response time? Why not fix that instead? That way, I'm not paying for six guys on an inappropriate monster truck that costs a bundle every time it gets fired up.
Firefighting is a lot safer than it used to be. The equipment is far better, what with the protective suits, breathing apparatus, and all that, but it's more than that. They just don't fight fires to protect property like they once did. Instead, they just sit there and hose it from the outside, water damage be dammed. There are several reasons and most of them are related to Marxist union work rules.
First, the work tasks had to be downgraded so that women could do them. Not the least result is that many of the firefighters I see these days have no physical business fighting anything. Then, the women get promotions as a matter of affirmative action. So what you get is people in charge who are bossy (to prove themselves) and clueless but at least they are out of the way of real work.
Second, when there is a fire in this area, they get the prison gangs to do the dirty dangerous grunge work. So much for all that training and testing!
Third, there are shift rules applied to the fire that are pure scandal. During the Summit Fire in this area a couple of years ago, there were trucks staged with engines running miles away, on Saturday, with firefighters standing around yucking it up, on overtime. I have spent years trying to get them to do a run sheet for our property, so that when they get here there is a plan of what to do. They do this for every industrial site in the region, but a landowner doesn't get the same attention. Hell, I offered to do the paperwork if they'd just come here, look, and come to some agreements. They can't be bothered.
Fourth, these crews show up and decide whether to protect your home or whether they are more needed somewhere else. That's right, spend the years of hard labor clearing your land and reducing risks and they'll leave you with your wooden house at the top of a slope with fifty feet of clearance instead of the thirty feet the permit specified. I have low brush on that slope to run a back fire to clear the fuel, but I don't want to light one without coordination so that people don't get hurt. Burn it from the top and the house is fine. Burn it from the bottom... But their plan is to leave me here alone to go take care of the totally irresponsible and they've said as much.
Finally, then there's the corruption. The fire marshal decides what constitutes code compliance for your home. Many of these provisions are idiotic. For example, they wanted me to install 475' of four inch pipe to a hydrant, even though they didn't have a single truck that could pull more than a two inch diameter feed. They wanted a 5,000 gallon tank, and then designed it in such a way that the owner could mistakenly draw the whole thing down before they got here. Now they want TWO 5,000 gallon tanks, with flex connections. I can tell you as a mechanical engineer who has designed plumbing systems for factories handling vinyl plastisols, these specifications are idiotic. The flex connections are too rigid and too heavy for a plastic tank, but they sure do use a lot of stainless steel. They shriek that burying the tank a couple of feet for earthquake purposes will void the warranty, but what do you know but my neighbors' tanks split at the bottom after twenty years and mine are fine. Instead, they specify anchoring systems that will rip the tank in a shaker (must sell new tanks). They charge three times for these idiotic designs compared to what you can purchase them for elsewhere. And what do you know that the owner of that company is now tooling around in a Viper. How do they get away with it? Well you should see the fire marshal's house.
Meanwhile, I had installed FOUR 1-1/2" stand pipes around my home, I have an aluminized suit sufficient for a phosphorus fire. I have two 1-1/2" hoses, and I have a propane torch, chainsaws, etc. It's all I really need.
Let me tell you how outrageous these specifications get: I have a neighbor up the road who did a remodel on his house. The fire marshal specified he modify the top of his driveway in front of his home to accommodate a hook and ladder truck. There isn't a hook and ladder truck for ten miles around here. You couldn't get a hook and ladder truck up his driveway without thousands of yards of grading because the turning radii are too tight up the road. You couldn't get a hook and ladder truck up the county road on a prayer. In fact, that's why there's a ban on vehicles longer than thirty feet on the road!!! Not only did he have to do the turn-around, he had to use two inches of asphalt on 12" of compacted base rock to accommodate the weight of the truck they couldn't get up the hill. And what do you know but the county road that gets to said driveway is paved with but an inch (or less) of oiled sand on bare dirt. The local quarry operators and paving contractors say, KA CHING!!!
I spent years trying to get those lugs over here just to take a GPS reading so that they could use my hilltop as an evacuation site. Then, they decided they liked bigger helicopters. They get to joy ride around in those big birds doing drills getting flight pay. So after twenty years of never having used the site, they came by one day and asked me to clear and commit four times the land (an entire acre) in which to land that bird.
Where you really stepped in it Venturer, is when you blamed voters. They don't know the details that go into union work rules. They aren't told by the newspapers how firefighters live or what constitutes their compensation. Their politicians take those union contributions and then lie to them. How can one reasonably blame voters when the details are hidden for so long by so many complicit parties?
State cops routinely pad their retirement bennies with OT
In addition, these scum get a food and clothing allowance, full personal use of a cruiser [no property taxes, maintenance, gasoline, license fees]...and get pizza parties for number of tickets issued.
I agree. No person being paid off public tax monies including their own if applicable should be allowed to set their income(total) by joining up together to deny the services being paid for. When I see all these parades by/for these ‘public’ servants I wonder how many participate in such for someone who has paid their salary. Get rid of the city hall union system for doling out public monies.
You are obviously very knowledgeable and no more about it than I do so what is the use of me arguing with you.?
Why don’t you run for Governor, and straighten all of this mess out.
Have a nice day.
Considering the grammar and spelling errors in that sentence, you wouldn't pass my firefighter test.
Why don’t you run for Governor, and straighten all of this mess out.
I've been asked that before, and in sincerity.
Have a nice day.
You too, even if it's representative of a cohort that does so on my dime.
Believe it or not, I'll be calling my fire department again today, after three straight weeks of trying to arrange a meeting. They have never seen a purely native restored grassland and I have special management necessities as regards fire that would actually make things simpler for them and save (real) firefighters' lives, as has the forest thinning I've been doing for nearly twenty-five years.
The US Forest Service, CalFire, and a host of other agencies have made a multi-billion dollar business out of mismanaging forests into an outrageous fuel bomb, with massive loss of life, property, and wealth in the process. Oh but it has been good for firefighters!
Again, Have a nice day.
“You piss and moan, but you elected those politicians who gave those pensions and benefits.”
That has nothing to do with the immorality of public unions bribing the pols with donations, then sitting down to “negotiate” with them.
If I give money to a politician, then he awards me a contract for paving a street, that’s bribery. It’s settled law. You can’t give a contract to someone from whom you took campaign donations. You will go to jail.
Unless you’re a public employee union, that is. You donate to pols, then sit down across the table to “negotiate” for wages and pension. How is this legal, let alone moral? It’s not their money, it’s mine. They’re happy to hand it to you. You name your own salary. In short: you’re as criminal as they are.
“If you could have passed the test you could have been a firefighter.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Why did you give up debating after your undoubtedly masterful performance on the college team?
“It rankles , it burns because you chose a different career and it didn’t turn out as well for you, now things get tight and you cry.”
Things turned out great for me. And I’m not ‘crying’ — I’m objecting to theft of my money by public employee unions.
“You look at people who earned a pension and you don’t have one so you cry, “Oh I got screwed””
Um, I have a pension coming to me. Paid voluntarily by the people out of whose pockets it will come, not stolen from taxpayers.
“The Union has no say in who is hired. You apply, they give a test and the best applicants are hired, along with many affirmative action hires.
I’m not talking about who gets hired. I’m talking about new hires willing to take the job for less money. Oh, but wait. The union won’t allow us, the employers, to cut the wages to reasonable levels and see if people still apply. That’s the free market, Professor Friedman. And you’ve exempted yourselves.
“You could have applied, stop crying because you chose the wrong career.”
Sigh. You’re laboring under the delusion that everyone wants to ride in a big red fire engine and turn the siren on! Once again, not interested. I’m objecting to taxpayer robbery.
“Half the jobs in this country could get people who would work for half now that they are out of work.”
Thanks for making my case for me. That’s why it’s in the interests of the taxpayer to give your job to someone else for less money — exactly what happens at my place of employment, and everyone else’s. Except the criminals in public employee unions won’t “allow” the employer — me — to cut salaries, ever, to market rates.
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