Posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by AmonAmarth
AURORA, Colo. – Police have a “person of interest” in custody in connection with the robbery of the Wells Fargo back at 15301 E. Hampden Avenue Saturday afternoon.
Immediately following the robbery, police closed the intersection of Iliff and Buckley after reports the suspect might have taken hostages.
According to our crew on the scene, police stopped and searched nearly two dozen cars. The adult occupants of the vehicles were handcuffed during the investigation.
At the very least the way will be paved.
Sometimes I think that both the Media and the Police departments are going out of their way to create an “Us vs. Them” environment here in America. The end result of such thinking is that “Them/those people” are not really people and deserve everything that is done to them.
Now the real kicker here is this: When will the public at large start to think the same things toward the Police Forces?
Why don’t they go to Congress and detain all the ‘Rat reps. Without a doubt the robbery suspect is there and they’ll find quite a few others.
So in response to a suspect taking hostages, the police took hostages too? Great, just great.
It’s time to say NO, folks, and say it loud!
So mass preventive detentions are now legal? This will cause its own problems. If you resist, are you resisting arrest, failing to follow police orders, what?
The link is broken.
I wouldn’t limit that to just the Rats.
The city of Aurora better prepare for lawsuits.
Exactly how should the possible hostage situation been handled instead of what was done. What procedures and steps should have been taken to immediately solve the situation as opposed to what they did?
What should the exact law enforcement/police process have been in that situation?
Never gonna happen. There's more than enough evidence to conclude that already. You're welcome to keep typing it for a little while longer.
Let’s start with what they should not have done. They should not have engaged in mass violations of the 4th Amendment for everyone in the vicinity.
The link worked for me just now..
Oh, cut the cops a break! They are just following orders. If they didn’t, they’d lose their jobs, and not find other jobs. How would they feed their families?
What should the exact process have been in that situation? I mean, as experienced law enforcement professionals not hamstrung by liberal laws passed by liberals, I assume you should all be able to have perfectly solved and mitigated that situation.
I mean, as opposed to simply doing nothing what should have been done? Since all local and county police are nothing more than stormtroppers in Obama’s personal civilian army, drones if you will, with Obama giving personal orders to every single cop in the nation.
Lord knows I just love signing on duty, jacking my brain into the matrix, and getting all my daily unconstitutional orders from Obama and Holder. it’s like they’re my besties while I’m on duty. The little burning constitution sitting on my shoulder telling me what I should do to deny every single person’s rights that I come into contact with.
Oh, it’s just great, when I’m not on duty (shooting every dog I see) I’m off at the secret Agenda 21 bunker training at the gas chambers for when we’re ordered to round up all the tea partiers.
ummm, easy answer, dont handcuff innocent people, they could have asked the adults to sit on the curb while one officer searched and another watched the adults. Really no need to handcuff.
You are being facetious and not looking at the big picture.
Better yet, the police should have handed in their guns and vests then went out at the intersections and just started asking passerby’s nicely and sweetly if they were the robbers:
“Excuse sir or ma’am I have no idea if you ARE the robbers who might have guns and hostages, but if you are could you PLEASE tell me.”
“No?”
Well, OK then by golly. That’s a good enough answer for me. See you later.”
Interesting observation. I wonder what was the race and sex composition of the group that was detained? Was there any difference in treatment of the various groups? What was the legal basis to detain and search vehicles and people who just happened to be traveling through a particular intersection? etc. The FOIAs and legal motions should have already started.
Fourth Amendment – [Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.] The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment – [Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.] No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Yeah - that pesky Constitution is so inconvenient, and just gets in the way of ‘Effective Law Enforcement’...
Right???
They should file suit for false imprisonment, reckless endangerment of life, violation of established law with regard to suspicion, probable cause and timely notification of arrest.
These goons should be imprisoned. Nothing but goddam goons.
You’re exactly right. There should be no active investigation of any crime ever again.
Everyone should just be expected to go tell the police on themselves as opposed to the police attempting to solve the crime.
It should just be one person sitting in a small office waiting for all the lawbreakers to turn themselves in so that they aren’t all illegally detained for questioning because the whole process of a criminal investigation is actually unconstitutional.
I can see it now, with that new system, all the murderers and rapists and bank robbers just turning themselves sin for due process, and no police out there running roughshod over the constitution by illegally investigating things.
I have been around long enough to know this is not the old SOP, but the NEW SOP. And your stupid rant will not change my mind.
That has already started.
Exaggerate much?
Not enough coffee. That reply was to another thread. Sorry.
If your response is implying you are a police officer, you shouldn’t be one in my opinion.
All adult occupants of two dozen cars???
For what, the crime of Driving while Hispanic?
Exaggerate much?
Oh, cut the cops a break! They are just following orders.
That argument didn’t hold water at Nuremburg.
Then who is to blame for what we read and see first hand every day? Pets being killed on the spot for no reason? Doors being blown open and innocent people being killed because the police cant even get the god**m address right? Unlawful detention? Planting false evidence? And this is happening more frequently by the day. I have seen some of this firsthand so if you feel the police are being unfairly treated you have only yourselves to blame.
Oh, cut the cops a break! They are just following orders.
I’m not sure if you are making a joke here, but I’ll assume you are.
The Police know that the law “can” come down on them just as hard as the rest of us. “I was just following orders” was dis-proven as a legitimate defense at Nuremberg and it applies here also. Also the concept of “Ignorance of the Law” isn’t a legitimate defense either, (Even though it should be in some cases).
No what I think is happening in this instance as well as in other locations around the U.S. is that the Police are finding themselves at a mid-ground between being a “Law and Order” Peace Officer and a Para-Military type. It’s a terribly fine line between the two positions at times and crisis and stressful situations don’t really lend themselves to calm and rational thinking.
I feel for them terribly and know myself well enough that I wouldn’t be a good Police Officer. But with all of that empathy and feeling aside they really need to know that the law applies to them also and breaking it in the pursuit of their duties needs to be prosecuted and punished as necessary.
Just for you!
Typical response.....
You and the so called officers lack any knowledge of common sense.
“Oh, cut the cops a break! They are just following orders.
That argument didn’t hold water at Nuremburg.”
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Well, you are correct—they weren’t “just following orders”. What they were doing was DOING THEIR JOB & CATCHING THE BAD GUY. Sometimes that causes some inconvenience. I’d much rather having cops doing good and actually doing their jobs (as these cops were doing) than have them do bad things (such as the goon cops in Wisconsin suppressing the exercise of free speech by pro-Walker demonstrator).
Let’s cut the cops some slack when they are after bad guys using legal means—and being successful.
Something you need to read in post 37! :)
“All adult occupants of two dozen cars???
For what, the crime of Driving while Hispanic?”
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I sure saw quite a few in the video that didn’t look Hispanic.
I have not read one post here that spouts any hate towards police officers. I do not hate police officers. What I hate is the sometimes blatant overuse of force and lack of discretion of the police force these days.
The feeling you note towards “Law Enforcement Officers” is due to their own actions and attitude to ordinary law abidibg citizens. At one time on this forum, they were universaly respected. Their actions and deeds changed that. They have no one to blame but themselves. At one time I taught my children and grandchildren that the police were their friends. They should not fear them. I no longer do that. I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.
God-given rights guaranteed by the Constitution, be damned. Catch the bad guys and [bleep] everything else. A police state is a safe state.
(Do I really have to /s this too?)
law enforcement: this is the problem, It was not that long ago that you were called a “Peace Officer”, your transformation into Law Enforcement Officer is where the problem lies. No Longer are Police members of the Community, they are nothing more than Jack Booted Thugs, hired to enforce the tyrannical laws set forth by their leaders, with no regards for the truth, the law, or the constitution, and of course the RIGHTS of the CITIZENS to live their lives without Jack Booted thugs trying to TAX US at every step for merely living our lives and then you come by and shoot our dogs just for fun, For the most part your job is to TAX THE CITIZENS through UNCONSTITUTIONAL INFRACTIONS, whereby the defendant does not have a RIGHT to A Full and Complete Legal Defense. Not to mention you are all LIARS. So if you think the people are against you, you are absolutely correct, but you did it to yourselves.
Sig Heil you jack booted thug.
Defend your brother and sisters? As opposed to defending the constitutional rights of Americans? That tells me right there what side your on. If you cant even concede that detaining innocent bystanders and subjecting them to searches is against the constitution then there is no hope for you. Again I have witnessed first hand the overuse of force and lack of common sense, discretion by your “brothers and sisters” and it has left a very bad taste in my mouth. I now fear the police more than I ever did.
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