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Posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by AmonAmarth
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I wonder what his departmental shrinks would think of those posts?
Probably give him a raise.
Probably got tired of look'n at porn on his c_ _puter , came over here to harass us .
It was necessary in this situation. An innocent life was at stake. The detentions were not excessive, nor politically motivated.
go into WalMart or CVS and get a pre-paid visa card - you MUST activate it with your SSN. Reason? Patriot Act. No purpose whatsoever. We lost privacy, and terrorists like Atta picked up envelopes of cash around Florida anyway. It should be repealed.
I love how the reporter parroted the Police State line: the police handcuffed everybody for everyone’s safety.
I feel much safer now. Handcuffs and mass-roundups are for my safety.
That just about says it all, doesn't it.
The militarization of our local police depts is bad, bad news.
I would not react well to this Hitler/Stalin thing.
Demographics is the reason. See city-data.com
The police failed to follow correct procedure. The people taking the video should have been arrested
I take that because you see all so-called patriots as ‘untrustworthy anarchists’ it is difficult for you to distinguish between or you have your own judgements of patriotism. So be it. As for me I see many ‘law enforcement’ personnel as would be bullies in the cover of law. This applies especially to having unions which force most of society to pay for protection after the fact.
>>I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.<<
WHAT IS A PATRIOT?
PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.
PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States, from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author
When? Right after a dumbass move like this. Remember a couple weeks ago when it appeared that a fake cop down south might be pulling people over, killing, and robbing them? Just one really gross, bad move like this and folks will not only fail to respond to police but will arm themselves against them. Remember regular folks in this country are armed to the teeth and will not put up with dumbassness for long. I know that waving handcuffs at me for no apparent reason is going to start a game of hardball.
But I fear the militarization of police and deputies which has so mushroomed in my half century life.
Gone are the days of beat or patrol cops in nifty non threatening uniforms and service revolvers...replaced by jocks with tattoos imitating what they think is a Strike team look
every hamlet over 10,000 folks now have battle wagons, full auto and all the other black tools.
it's just not how it was intended.....
so far only Highway patrol seems somewhat less inclined in that direction...but they were always more regimented to begin with
it's not just guns...old timey cops had to deal with serious weapons at times too in some hands...Bonnie and Clyde had BAR and Tommys as did the bent nose gangsters
but we have allowed LEOs to assume this posture everywhere...even bucolic suburbs ...”just in case”
but meanwhile, our inner cities where blacks and some latinos predominate are lost...no matter how much black gear, shaved heads and APCs
i live in Williamson County TN...rich and conservative pasture and horse farm country...folks from everywhere...about half non southern...Nashville's southern metro county
cops here are everywhere and very active...you drive late at night and you will likely get followed or stopped...for drinking(i don't ..none)....I'm 54 and work at night...stopped rountinely and then asked if I have anything in the car they should know about...well, they can kiss my ass and I hand it right back to them
I'm not some long haired kid in a VW Combi in 1972 smoking crappy Mexican weed listening to Aqualung anymore so bugger off
I have broken no laws and work my ass off 7 days a week to support a family of 7 and pay huge taxes locally...taxes which are more than my personal income
it is intrusive and it's incremental and it's not like when i grew up when county cops were like constables with .45 Long Colts and a slouch hat and a personal help out demeanor
and it's not a bit more dangerous now county wise in Dixie...maybe even safer with so many meterosexuals around
I would agree with you that some “militia or patriot or particularly Christian Identity or Posse Comitatus” sorts are violent hostile to LEOs and pose a threat...it's happened...COPS and Most Wanted shows demonstrate these sorts over and over as the narrative
but most Bitter Clingers are not that...by a long shot
one can fear the growth, attitude, posture and eventual aims of the Police Establishment but not call for violence but respect unless things progress considerably beyond this juncture
but invariably there will the instances where decent folks have cause to fear those sworn to protect...ATF, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina Gun Confiscations, Elian and so forth
I personally don't think most cops would side with a progressive government at this point but Slow Tyranny is another matter
sorry you feel on the outs...being a cop and dealing with tragedy..kids or fellow officers ...deserves our sympathy
you have mine...if it does boil over one day...you may have to make a choice
i don't say this lightly...I have been in African Civil Wars and they had none of the neat tools we have and they were simply so mind numbing just observing as a businessman...it would be awful...to replicate 1861-1865 now here yet again would be Stalinesque or worse..Ustashi like .. the last war here which we southerners see remnants of daily was bad enough I assure you...a fraction of the folks, primitive weapons and a populace with more dignity..a dignity long lost since then...it would be horrific now...it would be Run For the Hills...to no avail
How? Roadblocks are fine but the cops MUST state their case. A temporary hold on an area is fine but, again, the cops MUST state their case. But handcuffs/detention is an arrest and the cops had better be able to defend that loudly and proudly and clearly.
I once put a butthead on the ground, held him there with my bare hands, until a cop came and locked him up. At the guys trial his lawyer tried to claim the guy hadn’t really been “arrested”. The judge said “ —what’s your point? —on the ground, hands locked up, couldn’t get up——in this court that’s arrested. “
Time to start collect SS numbers.
I’m just reading from top to bottom.
This, I believe is your second post on this thread, and from the tone and words of this second response you’ve already admitted that your arguments won’t stand up to clear logic and legal thinking.
Gonna be a fun read forward.
>>When will the public at large start to think the same things toward the Police Forces?
For me, it was the day they murdered Vicki Weaver.
That article comments post is perhaps most frightening of all. You have a victim who posts details of what happened, expresses outrage, knows what happened is illegal, and then won’t give his name or file a complaint because of fear of the police and what they might do to him if he did. The police state has already taken over in his case.
Let's put some perspective to that statement by changing ONE word:
I now have to wonder if the next so-called
patriot LEO I come into contact with is going to be just as dangerous & life-threatening to me as a drugged-out gangbanger.
Golly, I sure hope I’m never “a person of interest”.
What is that famous quote about a populace that gives up freedom for security and therefore, in the end, will have neither? The mass detentions, use of weapons to remove adults and children from cars are not only excessive, but unconstitutional and should be severely sanctioned. This is the type of police behavior that breaks any bond between the citizenry and police, but can easily lead to violence on both sides that has nothing to do with the original crime.
We moved to Colorado in 1986, but not to Denver. Aurora is a SE suburb.
Since that time, it seems that Aurora LEO has a 25 year unblemished history of trampling on the Constitutional rights of anyone they come in contact with, with the possible exception of protected minorities.
Gotta love those “stacks”! How cooperative for them to line up like that.
“That is a hop-skip-jump from extrajudicial execution.”
I see as just that...executions. “Do as I say or else!” I said probably 10 years ago that it will get to the point that if a cop is headed your direction we’ll need to kill it before it kills you. We are nearly there.
Once I saw that FBI agent shoot that kid in the face for “reaching for something” as he was trying to unbuckle his seatbelt and exit the vehicle as ordered I knew that was the direction law enforcement was headed.
Now we see cops shoot for all kinds of reasons. “Dog seemed vicious”, even though it was a toy poodle. “Person seemed to be reaching for something”, even though they were ordered to present their ID from their pocket. “It was dark and he was reaching for something”, even though the cops stopped the person in a dark alley and could have ordered them first into the light. “It was an accident”, even though they pointed a loaded gun at the back of a 9 year old boy with their finger on the trigger. None of these incidents ever resulted in prosecution of wrongful death, murder, or manslaughter.
. . . . Back to the thread.
Begin at # 38, [or thereabouts,] and read the next two or three dozen comments.
The terrorists have indeed won. Multi-agency anal probes of every American, high-tech software surveilance of every Facebook, Twitter and FreeRepublic post, SSNs and Federal reporting required for opening bank accounts and prepaid debit cards, cameras everywhere and soon drones will fill the skies. All from the disgusting, un-American USA-PATRIOT Act. And we haven't caught a single terrorist with it. Why can't we just repeal it?
Welcome Back LucyT :)
Rape of Liberty ping
First actually determine if it really is a hostage situation instead of running around dragging people out of their vehicles at a road block on a whim & handcuffing them & threatening them with lethal force just for shits, grins & giggles.
You have hit the key point as have several others...Too many in “law enforcement” have adopted the Them vs. Us mentality...If you ain’t “cop” you’re a suspect, a perp, or about to be...You’re little people...
With a description of the suspect available, a simple roadblock and observation of occupants, along with a “Good day Sir/Ma’am, sorry for the inconvenience; we’re looking for a bank robber...Move along, and have a nice day!” would have earned these officers points with citizens, and helped their image as protectors...
Instead Aurora PD officers are seen by these citizens and TV viewers in the Denver Metro area as jack-booted thugs; an opposing occupation force unnecessarily and menacingly pointing weapons at innocent citizens going about their lawful business...
The video link attached shows bewildered citizens sitting handcuffed on the curb for an unknown period of time, and crying kids being hurried to the roadside by one cop...Wonder why they’re crying, after being removed from their car with their Dad at gunpoint...6 and 8 year old kids don’t fit the usual bank robber profile IMHO...
And this is not how “Sheepdogs” are supposed to behave...Extremely unprofessional, thuggish, and more than a bit cowardly on the part of LEOs...Clearly not their finest hour...
But maybe seeing this kind of thing will wake up some of the sleeping “flock”...We better get busy correcting this kind of thing or get used to seeing it happen...
These “officers” didn’t wake up one morning and say to themselves “If I stop someone today, I’m gonna menace them with my weapon...” It’s part of the new culture of protect yourself, assume no risk in performance of duties, take no chances that all stems from the Them vs Us doctrine of policing; and it’s US who are the enemy...This is top-down, folks...
Take a look at the video here, before it is taken down:
1. The words 'PENSION REFORM' make me feel a) happy or b) angry
2. When I think 'MASSIVE LAYOFFS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR', I feel a) happy; or b) angry.
3. When I hear the word 'CITIZEN', a) I think 'friend'; or b) I reach for my revolver.
The video portion has already been removed.
Is it anywhere on utube yet?
See post 49.
Am I outraged by the video by itself? Certainly - but I don't know enough about the law of law enforcement to speculate on whether what the police did was lawful.
Notice I didn't say whether it was right, or appears Constitutional. I said 'lawful,' as in 'complying with the existing body of law." I frequently disagree with the existing body of law.
“Brother, you need to step back, take some deep breaths, and do some serious self-examination. If you feel that mass-handcuffing of bystanders is now just another useful LE tool, then you have crossed a dangerous red line into supporting tyrannical police-state tactics. “
As far as I can tell from his post, he said no such thing and even endorsed oversight and critical monitoring.
On FR, there are plently of examples of absolute hate for ALL law enforcement officers. Post 49. . .short walk from spouting on the net and taking drastic action if pulled over for a reason the poster doesn’t agree with. . .like speeding or running a red light, or even driving drunk.
In the short term the police pulled fascist tactics in broad daylight with armor and rifles while stunned citizens complied and watched and filmed with cameras.
In the long run this will go viral as we’ve crossed another line in the sand and this dept is going to face lawsuits and hearings, not to mention informing more citizens to prepare for such un-Constitutional infringements.
Another question for law enforcement. Locally we had a hostage situation in a downtown area in an office building. Several of the SWAT team operators had their trusty AR rifles with fancy Eotech sites which cost a bundle. Just like this situation. Why are rifles being used in urban settings, firing the 5.56mm which can over-penetrate cars, walls just like many rifles? What happened to the trusty submachine gun like the H&K MP-5 favorite or shotguns for these situations? Unless all the ammo is frangible rounds you are putting innocent bystanders and public at risk.
Thanks, Bikkuri. I’m still offline, just checking in, and outraged by the information on this thread.
Essentially, that IS what he did.
But as someone else pointed out, this could very well be a troll looking to stir the pot.IIRC, I've seen him before and this seems to be his MO.
Hey, Copper, Did everyone of the adults, male female, black, white, yellow etc ALL fit the description of the alleged perp(s)?
Didn’t think so, hero. (the answer your looking ofr lies in teh above statemnet, can you find it?)
Maybe they just had a lot of flexicuffs that were about expire and, what the hay, thought “let’s use ‘em up rather than toss ‘em?”
Thanks for the pings. I watched this three times and each time I got madder. What would have happened if one of the civilians *looked like* they made the wrong move? My, God they had guns pointed at them. And those poor kids. I don’t know what else to say. My thoughts are forming faster than I can type. This could’ve turned into something very tragic in a split second.
It's already started, just look at the *significant* drop of people defending the police on threads like this (police misconduct).
This is, I think, actually a good thing. The sooner the general populous gets it through their heads that it really is "us vs. them", the sooner the next step comes: realizing the dangers of this standing army.
I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.