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Motorists detained as police search for robbery suspect(All Adults Handcuffed In Every Car)
FOX 31 ^ | June 2, 2012

Posted on 06/03/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by AmonAmarth

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To: piroque

I wonder what his departmental shrinks would think of those posts?

Probably give him a raise.


151 posted on 06/03/2012 10:17:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: brent13a
I think the problem is we have too much of a militarization of law enforcement. I think we need to get rid of SWAT teams or at least put them under tighter control. Local LEO's would go back to carrying revolvers and a 1970's era walkie-talkie and for the tough cases, a .30-30 lever action rifle and/or shotgun in the car. I'd disband the FBI or just use them for forensics and laboratory tests only.


Either that or go to citizen/volunteers for policing, compensate them for their time and materials. My idea, but a 1965 Ford Galaxie, put in a CB/VHF radio and off we go.

I think the powers that be are pushing the LEO's into this us or them situation, I believe most are good but you got the ones out there that would follow orders without question and thus bringing about a Nuremberg situation.
152 posted on 06/03/2012 10:19:01 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Travis McGee
I wonder what his departmental shrinks would think of those posts? Probably give him a raise. he's get'n off on it now /S

Probably got tired of look'n at porn on his c_ _puter , came over here to harass us .

153 posted on 06/03/2012 10:24:09 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Truth29
It is problematic. The potential for abuse is already upon us. How many midnight door kick ins and accidental resident murders are we to tolerate?

It was necessary in this situation. An innocent life was at stake. The detentions were not excessive, nor politically motivated.

154 posted on 06/03/2012 10:28:17 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Dead Corpse
Agreed. Some of us pointed this out back before 9/11 and then later with the passage of the Patriot Act. We were called names for this foresight and told to buy more tinfoil. Who's laughing now...

go into WalMart or CVS and get a pre-paid visa card - you MUST activate it with your SSN. Reason? Patriot Act. No purpose whatsoever. We lost privacy, and terrorists like Atta picked up envelopes of cash around Florida anyway. It should be repealed.

155 posted on 06/03/2012 10:28:43 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Lady Lucky

I love how the reporter parroted the Police State line: the police handcuffed everybody for everyone’s safety.

I feel much safer now. Handcuffs and mass-roundups are for my safety.


156 posted on 06/03/2012 10:29:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: AmonAmarth
Defend your brother and sisters? As opposed to defending the constitutional rights of Americans? That tells me right there what side your on.

That just about says it all, doesn't it.

The militarization of our local police depts is bad, bad news.

157 posted on 06/03/2012 10:37:15 AM PDT by Unruly Human
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To: AmonAmarth

I would not react well to this Hitler/Stalin thing.


158 posted on 06/03/2012 10:43:32 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: null and void
The ones I know here in San Jose all seem to be of above average IQ, and have pretty well developed senses of humor. Maybe that's why San Jose is one of the safest large cities in America?

Demographics is the reason. See city-data.com

159 posted on 06/03/2012 10:44:03 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Albion Wilde
For Sam and Frodo, and the Shire.



160 posted on 06/03/2012 10:44:22 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Lady Lucky

The police failed to follow correct procedure. The people taking the video should have been arrested


161 posted on 06/03/2012 10:56:36 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Gott mit Mitt, Mitt mit uns)
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To: brent13a

I take that because you see all so-called patriots as ‘untrustworthy anarchists’ it is difficult for you to distinguish between or you have your own judgements of patriotism. So be it. As for me I see many ‘law enforcement’ personnel as would be bullies in the cover of law. This applies especially to having unions which force most of society to pay for protection after the fact.


162 posted on 06/03/2012 11:00:16 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: brent13a

>>I see all patriots as untrustworthy anarchists who would like to shoot me if I dare try to investigate a crime.<<

WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States, from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author


163 posted on 06/03/2012 11:01:30 AM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: The Working Man

When? Right after a dumbass move like this. Remember a couple weeks ago when it appeared that a fake cop down south might be pulling people over, killing, and robbing them? Just one really gross, bad move like this and folks will not only fail to respond to police but will arm themselves against them. Remember regular folks in this country are armed to the teeth and will not put up with dumbassness for long. I know that waving handcuffs at me for no apparent reason is going to start a game of hardball.


164 posted on 06/03/2012 11:02:03 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: montag813
go into WalMart or CVS and get a pre-paid visa card - you MUST activate it with your SSN. Reason? Patriot Act. No purpose whatsoever. We lost privacy, and terrorists like Atta picked up envelopes of cash around Florida anyway. It should be repealed.

In short, as my father puts it, "the terrorists have won."
165 posted on 06/03/2012 11:02:46 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: brent13a; sport; Travis McGee; Squantos; eyeamok; AmonAmarth; Pelham
I agree with you on Glen Beck...weirdo and loose with facts.

But I fear the militarization of police and deputies which has so mushroomed in my half century life.

Gone are the days of beat or patrol cops in nifty non threatening uniforms and service revolvers...replaced by jocks with tattoos imitating what they think is a Strike team look

every hamlet over 10,000 folks now have battle wagons, full auto and all the other black tools.

it's just not how it was intended.....

so far only Highway patrol seems somewhat less inclined in that direction...but they were always more regimented to begin with

it's not just guns...old timey cops had to deal with serious weapons at times too in some hands...Bonnie and Clyde had BAR and Tommys as did the bent nose gangsters

but we have allowed LEOs to assume this posture everywhere...even bucolic suburbs ...”just in case”

but meanwhile, our inner cities where blacks and some latinos predominate are lost...no matter how much black gear, shaved heads and APCs

i live in Williamson County TN...rich and conservative pasture and horse farm country...folks from everywhere...about half non southern...Nashville's southern metro county

cops here are everywhere and very active...you drive late at night and you will likely get followed or stopped...for drinking(i don't ..none)....I'm 54 and work at night...stopped rountinely and then asked if I have anything in the car they should know about...well, they can kiss my ass and I hand it right back to them

I'm not some long haired kid in a VW Combi in 1972 smoking crappy Mexican weed listening to Aqualung anymore so bugger off

I have broken no laws and work my ass off 7 days a week to support a family of 7 and pay huge taxes locally...taxes which are more than my personal income

it is intrusive and it's incremental and it's not like when i grew up when county cops were like constables with .45 Long Colts and a slouch hat and a personal help out demeanor

and it's not a bit more dangerous now county wise in Dixie...maybe even safer with so many meterosexuals around

I would agree with you that some “militia or patriot or particularly Christian Identity or Posse Comitatus” sorts are violent hostile to LEOs and pose a threat...it's happened...COPS and Most Wanted shows demonstrate these sorts over and over as the narrative

but most Bitter Clingers are not that...by a long shot

one can fear the growth, attitude, posture and eventual aims of the Police Establishment but not call for violence but respect unless things progress considerably beyond this juncture

but invariably there will the instances where decent folks have cause to fear those sworn to protect...ATF, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina Gun Confiscations, Elian and so forth

I personally don't think most cops would side with a progressive government at this point but Slow Tyranny is another matter

sorry you feel on the outs...being a cop and dealing with tragedy..kids or fellow officers ...deserves our sympathy

you have mine...if it does boil over one day...you may have to make a choice

i don't say this lightly...I have been in African Civil Wars and they had none of the neat tools we have and they were simply so mind numbing just observing as a businessman...it would be awful...to replicate 1861-1865 now here yet again would be Stalinesque or worse..Ustashi like .. the last war here which we southerners see remnants of daily was bad enough I assure you...a fraction of the folks, primitive weapons and a populace with more dignity..a dignity long lost since then...it would be horrific now...it would be Run For the Hills...to no avail

166 posted on 06/03/2012 11:05:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (the GOP are cowards)
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To: brent13a

How? Roadblocks are fine but the cops MUST state their case. A temporary hold on an area is fine but, again, the cops MUST state their case. But handcuffs/detention is an arrest and the cops had better be able to defend that loudly and proudly and clearly.

I once put a butthead on the ground, held him there with my bare hands, until a cop came and locked him up. At the guys trial his lawyer tried to claim the guy hadn’t really been “arrested”. The judge said “ —what’s your point? —on the ground, hands locked up, couldn’t get up——in this court that’s arrested. “


167 posted on 06/03/2012 11:11:48 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: montag813

Time to start collect SS numbers.


168 posted on 06/03/2012 11:14:35 AM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: brent13a

I’m just reading from top to bottom.

This, I believe is your second post on this thread, and from the tone and words of this second response you’ve already admitted that your arguments won’t stand up to clear logic and legal thinking.

Gonna be a fun read forward.


169 posted on 06/03/2012 11:17:03 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: The Working Man

>>When will the public at large start to think the same things toward the Police Forces?

For me, it was the day they murdered Vicki Weaver.


170 posted on 06/03/2012 11:19:47 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AmonAmarth

That article comments post is perhaps most frightening of all. You have a victim who posts details of what happened, expresses outrage, knows what happened is illegal, and then won’t give his name or file a complaint because of fear of the police and what they might do to him if he did. The police state has already taken over in his case.


171 posted on 06/03/2012 11:24:30 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: brent13a
I now have to wonder if the next so-called patriot I come into contact with is going to be just as dangerous & life-threatening to me as a drugged-out gangbanger.

Let's put some perspective to that statement by changing ONE word:

I now have to wonder if the next so-called patriot LEO I come into contact with is going to be just as dangerous & life-threatening to me as a drugged-out gangbanger.

172 posted on 06/03/2012 11:25:22 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: AmonAmarth

Golly, I sure hope I’m never “a person of interest”.


173 posted on 06/03/2012 11:28:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Bryanw92

bkmk.


174 posted on 06/03/2012 11:28:35 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
It was necessary in this situation. An innocent life was at stake. The detentions were not excessive, nor politically motivated.

What is that famous quote about a populace that gives up freedom for security and therefore, in the end, will have neither? The mass detentions, use of weapons to remove adults and children from cars are not only excessive, but unconstitutional and should be severely sanctioned. This is the type of police behavior that breaks any bond between the citizenry and police, but can easily lead to violence on both sides that has nothing to do with the original crime.

175 posted on 06/03/2012 11:34:23 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: AmonAmarth

We moved to Colorado in 1986, but not to Denver. Aurora is a SE suburb.

Since that time, it seems that Aurora LEO has a 25 year unblemished history of trampling on the Constitutional rights of anyone they come in contact with, with the possible exception of protected minorities.


176 posted on 06/03/2012 11:39:37 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Delta 21

Gotta love those “stacks”! How cooperative for them to line up like that.


177 posted on 06/03/2012 11:39:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: Travis McGee

“That is a hop-skip-jump from extrajudicial execution.”

I see as just that...executions. “Do as I say or else!” I said probably 10 years ago that it will get to the point that if a cop is headed your direction we’ll need to kill it before it kills you. We are nearly there.

Once I saw that FBI agent shoot that kid in the face for “reaching for something” as he was trying to unbuckle his seatbelt and exit the vehicle as ordered I knew that was the direction law enforcement was headed.

Now we see cops shoot for all kinds of reasons. “Dog seemed vicious”, even though it was a toy poodle. “Person seemed to be reaching for something”, even though they were ordered to present their ID from their pocket. “It was dark and he was reaching for something”, even though the cops stopped the person in a dark alley and could have ordered them first into the light. “It was an accident”, even though they pointed a loaded gun at the back of a 9 year old boy with their finger on the trigger. None of these incidents ever resulted in prosecution of wrongful death, murder, or manslaughter.


178 posted on 06/03/2012 11:47:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: brent13a; TheOldLady; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; ...
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. . . . Back to the thread.

Begin at # 38, [or thereabouts,] and read the next two or three dozen comments.

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179 posted on 06/03/2012 11:47:39 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Nowhere Man
In short, as my father puts it, "the terrorists have won."

The terrorists have indeed won. Multi-agency anal probes of every American, high-tech software surveilance of every Facebook, Twitter and FreeRepublic post, SSNs and Federal reporting required for opening bank accounts and prepaid debit cards, cameras everywhere and soon drones will fill the skies. All from the disgusting, un-American USA-PATRIOT Act. And we haven't caught a single terrorist with it. Why can't we just repeal it?

180 posted on 06/03/2012 11:54:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: LucyT

Welcome Back LucyT :)


181 posted on 06/03/2012 11:57:12 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist or Patriot)
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To: bamahead; SunkenCiv

Rape of Liberty ping


182 posted on 06/03/2012 12:04:07 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: brent13a

First actually determine if it really is a hostage situation instead of running around dragging people out of their vehicles at a road block on a whim & handcuffing them & threatening them with lethal force just for shits, grins & giggles.


183 posted on 06/03/2012 12:10:58 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: AmonAmarth

You have hit the key point as have several others...Too many in “law enforcement” have adopted the Them vs. Us mentality...If you ain’t “cop” you’re a suspect, a perp, or about to be...You’re little people...

With a description of the suspect available, a simple roadblock and observation of occupants, along with a “Good day Sir/Ma’am, sorry for the inconvenience; we’re looking for a bank robber...Move along, and have a nice day!” would have earned these officers points with citizens, and helped their image as protectors...

Instead Aurora PD officers are seen by these citizens and TV viewers in the Denver Metro area as jack-booted thugs; an opposing occupation force unnecessarily and menacingly pointing weapons at innocent citizens going about their lawful business...

The video link attached shows bewildered citizens sitting handcuffed on the curb for an unknown period of time, and crying kids being hurried to the roadside by one cop...Wonder why they’re crying, after being removed from their car with their Dad at gunpoint...6 and 8 year old kids don’t fit the usual bank robber profile IMHO...

And this is not how “Sheepdogs” are supposed to behave...Extremely unprofessional, thuggish, and more than a bit cowardly on the part of LEOs...Clearly not their finest hour...

But maybe seeing this kind of thing will wake up some of the sleeping “flock”...We better get busy correcting this kind of thing or get used to seeing it happen...

These “officers” didn’t wake up one morning and say to themselves “If I stop someone today, I’m gonna menace them with my weapon...” It’s part of the new culture of protect yourself, assume no risk in performance of duties, take no chances that all stems from the Them vs Us doctrine of policing; and it’s US who are the enemy...This is top-down, folks...

Take a look at the video here, before it is taken down:

http://kdvr.com/2012/06/02/aurora-police-searching-for-bank-robbery-suspect/


184 posted on 06/03/2012 12:16:40 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: brent13a
Evaluation time. Please give your best answer to the following. Remember, there are no right or wrong answers.

_________________________________________________________________

1. The words 'PENSION REFORM' make me feel a) happy or b) angry

2. When I think 'MASSIVE LAYOFFS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR', I feel a) happy; or b) angry.

3. When I hear the word 'CITIZEN', a) I think 'friend'; or b) I reach for my revolver.

185 posted on 06/03/2012 12:26:52 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: elteemike

The video portion has already been removed.

Is it anywhere on utube yet?


186 posted on 06/03/2012 12:46:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: AmonAmarth

See post 49.

Sad.


187 posted on 06/03/2012 12:47:08 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: GOPJ
Everyone of those folks need to hire an attorney and sue the city. This is an outrage. Are you with me Scoutmaster?

Am I outraged by the video by itself? Certainly - but I don't know enough about the law of law enforcement to speculate on whether what the police did was lawful.

Notice I didn't say whether it was right, or appears Constitutional. I said 'lawful,' as in 'complying with the existing body of law." I frequently disagree with the existing body of law.

188 posted on 06/03/2012 12:52:09 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Travis McGee

“Brother, you need to step back, take some deep breaths, and do some serious self-examination. If you feel that mass-handcuffing of bystanders is now just another useful LE tool, then you have crossed a dangerous red line into supporting tyrannical police-state tactics. “

As far as I can tell from his post, he said no such thing and even endorsed oversight and critical monitoring.

On FR, there are plently of examples of absolute hate for ALL law enforcement officers. Post 49. . .short walk from spouting on the net and taking drastic action if pulled over for a reason the poster doesn’t agree with. . .like speeding or running a red light, or even driving drunk.


189 posted on 06/03/2012 12:52:30 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: AmonAmarth

In the short term the police pulled fascist tactics in broad daylight with armor and rifles while stunned citizens complied and watched and filmed with cameras.

In the long run this will go viral as we’ve crossed another line in the sand and this dept is going to face lawsuits and hearings, not to mention informing more citizens to prepare for such un-Constitutional infringements.

Another question for law enforcement. Locally we had a hostage situation in a downtown area in an office building. Several of the SWAT team operators had their trusty AR rifles with fancy Eotech sites which cost a bundle. Just like this situation. Why are rifles being used in urban settings, firing the 5.56mm which can over-penetrate cars, walls just like many rifles? What happened to the trusty submachine gun like the H&K MP-5 favorite or shotguns for these situations? Unless all the ammo is frangible rounds you are putting innocent bystanders and public at risk.


190 posted on 06/03/2012 12:59:33 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: Bikkuri; null and void; melancholy; Brown Deer; rxsid

Thanks, Bikkuri. I’m still offline, just checking in, and outraged by the information on this thread.


191 posted on 06/03/2012 1:02:27 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Hulka
As far as I can tell from his post, he said no such thing and even endorsed oversight and critical monitoring.

Essentially, that IS what he did.

But as someone else pointed out, this could very well be a troll looking to stir the pot.IIRC, I've seen him before and this seems to be his MO.

192 posted on 06/03/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: brent13a

Hey, Copper, Did everyone of the adults, male female, black, white, yellow etc ALL fit the description of the alleged perp(s)?

Didn’t think so, hero. (the answer your looking ofr lies in teh above statemnet, can you find it?)

Maybe they just had a lot of flexicuffs that were about expire and, what the hay, thought “let’s use ‘em up rather than toss ‘em?”


193 posted on 06/03/2012 1:40:47 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: melancholy; LucyT

Thanks for the pings. I watched this three times and each time I got madder. What would have happened if one of the civilians *looked like* they made the wrong move? My, God they had guns pointed at them. And those poor kids. I don’t know what else to say. My thoughts are forming faster than I can type. This could’ve turned into something very tragic in a split second.


194 posted on 06/03/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by azishot
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To: The Working Man
Now the real kicker here is this: When will the public at large start to think the same things toward the Police Forces?

It's already started, just look at the *significant* drop of people defending the police on threads like this (police misconduct).
This is, I think, actually a good thing. The sooner the general populous gets it through their heads that it really is "us vs. them", the sooner the next step comes: realizing the dangers of this standing army.

195 posted on 06/03/2012 1:59:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: brent13a

I now fear the police more than I fear the criminal.


196 posted on 06/03/2012 2:08:06 PM PDT by freedommom
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