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Environment: Germany, a laboratory for green growth
OECD ^ | 05/31/2012 | OECD

Posted on 06/04/2012 12:12:32 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

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To: Ben Ficklin; FreedomPoster

Meant to ping you two on my response: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2891219/posts?page=40#40


41 posted on 06/05/2012 12:27:25 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: palmer; Puckster

And you two, too: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2891219/posts?page=40#40


42 posted on 06/05/2012 12:32:57 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: JayGalt; piytar
“Climate change is a fairy story, being maintained by those eager to control us and get rich by schemes to purportedly fix what isn’t broken.”

“Climate Change” is a fact, there has never been a stable climate. Anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is the fairy story.

Let's not allow their watered down, less hysterical label, that is for MSM consumption, to divert attention from the original hysteria associated with AGW.

CO2 is about 383PPM, or .000383 (.0383%) of the atmospheric mix.

AGW is about 10.5PPM, or .0000105 (.00105%) of the atmospheric mix.

The only reason we are having this discussion is that pagans, like the Germans, have swallowed this tripe for science and have created an new “Unholy Crusade” to save their precious “Gaea”.

It has infected everything.

This “Great Whore” (Gaea) will be shed from the beast.

When it's cost effective, I will put in solar on my house, to SUPPLEMENT, and I will do it in a conservative mindset.

This crap will never be primary...that would be insane, i.e. “Socialist”. Right or left.

43 posted on 06/05/2012 2:10:35 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: piytar

Exactly so.

My challenge is always: Show me where a utility-sized “alternate energy” installation was put in without either subsidies or mandates (which latter are just hidden subsidies).

They can’t do it.

Doing it due to “carbon footprint” is just spending huge money on a lie. The “science” there, isn’t.


44 posted on 06/05/2012 3:28:06 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Puckster
AGW is about 10.5PPM, or .0000105 (.00105%) of the atmospheric mix

That's a little vague and probably wrong. The rise from 260 or 280 up to the present 395 ppm is from fossil fuels. If mankind were not in the picture there would have been a rise anyway, but only to perhaps 300 ppm at the most. The reason is simple: oceans warming naturally (as a result of the end of the Little Ice Age) were outgassing CO2. Now they are ingassing and that is measurable and factual. So the rise in CO2 in the atmosphere is not from the oceans, it is from fossil fuels and land use changes.

45 posted on 06/05/2012 3:42:31 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: piytar; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Thanks for the ping. It’s unbelievable how arrogant these Germans are about their environmental purity when all they have done is ship their dirty and energy intensive industries to China where the GDP to fossil fuel ratio is much lower. That has made their phony global warming problem worse not better.


46 posted on 06/05/2012 3:45:54 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: neocon1984; piytar
"You still have not done the math"

I wasn't doing the math, I was doing accounting.

I don't really have to do the math. You may think reality is determined by what gets posted at Free Republic, but reality and the math is being done on the ground in the real world.

Places like Texas are moving forward because they are planning on growth. Sure, a nat gas surplus may come along but that is temporary and planning is looking out into 2035 and 2050.

Whether you call it Cylindra or Solyndra, technology is being developed and it has been subsidized, it is being subsidized, and it will be subsidized.

SCOTUS said in in 2007 that CO2 is a pollutant and SCOTUS said last year that only the EPA has the authority to regulate CO2

47 posted on 06/05/2012 5:30:55 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: neocon1984; piytar
"You still have not done the math"

I wasn't doing the math, I was doing accounting.

I don't really have to do the math. You may think reality is determined by what gets posted at Free Republic, but reality and the math is being done on the ground in the real world.

Places like Texas are moving forward because they are planning on growth. Sure, a nat gas surplus may come along but that is temporary and planning is looking out into 2035 and 2050.

Whether you call it Cylindra or Solyndra, technology is being developed and it has been subsidized, it is being subsidized, and it will be subsidized.

SCOTUS said in in 2007 that CO2 is a pollutant and SCOTUS said last year that only the EPA has the authority to regulate CO2

48 posted on 06/05/2012 5:31:13 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: palmer
Sorry, but it is correct, the number given is the total PPM with the man-made contribution unseparated.

You've bought into the dogma when your accepting that the number spouted is all man-made.

The last ice age was accomplished with 2000+ CO2.

2000+ man-made? That is what you'd be suggesting.

49 posted on 06/05/2012 11:54:47 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Ben Ficklin; neocon1984; FreedomPoster; Puckster
Whether you call it Cylindra or Solyndra, technology is being developed and it has been subsidized, it is being subsidized, and it will be subsidized.

Well, Ben Flicklin, if you think Solyndra had anything to do with developing technology as opposed to 100% pure corruption, there is no point talking to you any more.

50 posted on 06/06/2012 1:14:38 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Ooops, Ben Ficklin. Was just a typo...


51 posted on 06/06/2012 1:17:23 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ben Ficklin; piytar

CO2 is a plant growth stimulant and that is about it at anything close to current concentrations. And by “anything close” I mean up to 2X to 3X.

Why do you want to starve subsistence farmers?

The fact the the EPA can regulate to extinction fire and breathing, which is a natural outgrowth of their current stance, without any involvement from Congress, pure Executive fiat only, no public debate of any sort, is proof positive the EPA needs to be knocked down if not destroyed completely so that we can start over.


52 posted on 06/06/2012 3:55:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
"subsistence farming"- I'm not aware of any subsistence farming in the US. Are you talking about the ag collectives in Mexico? Ethiopia? China?

"fire and breathing"- the EPA's tailored regulatory threshold is 75,000 tons or 100,000 tons depending if it is a new permit or expansion of an old permit

"without any involvement from Congress"- Court decisions carry the weight of law and we have many, many laws in this country that flow from court decisions. In fact everything that EPA does gets litigated. EVERYTHING! And usually it gets litagated numerous times and sometimes these changes take decades. Today, the EPA's actions on CO2 that flow from the 2007 court decision are the subject of numerous lawsuits and we can identify the subjects of those law suits. I sat "we" meaning those of those that are informed. I doubt that you can because you listen to the empty right wing rhetoric.

So let me ask you, can you name the subject matter of the 3 lawsuits? Which of the 3 are the plantiffs most likely to win and EPA lose? Is there any possibilty that the plantiffs can get the courts to enjoin EPA from enforcement until the courts hear the suits and issue a ruling?

In the meantime, what actions might Congress take to head this off? What are the 3 positions in Congress?

53 posted on 06/06/2012 5:59:16 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; bill1952
Been here longer than you. I am getting bored anyway

Then leave once and for all and don't come back. We're all bored with your German green propaganda.

54 posted on 09/04/2012 7:39:33 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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