Skip to comments.Romney names former Utah gov. to lead potential transition [Polygamy rearing ugly head]
Posted on 06/04/2012 8:06:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Mitt Romney has named former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt to lead his presidential transition team should he win November's general election, the Republican presidential candidate's campaign confirmed Monday.
Leavitt, Romney's pick to lead a potential transition, was elected governor of Utah in 1992, and went on to hold the office for ten years. He was governor of the state when Romney headed the Salt Lake City Olympic Organizing Committee in 2002.
In 2003 Leavitt was nominated by President George W. Bush to serve as administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. He later became Bush's Secretary of Health and Human Services.
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Gov. Mike Leavitt told journalists and Utahns Thursday it's time to get past all this concern over polygamy and move on to more pressing issues.
Still trying to define himself on the polygamy question, Leavitt said in his monthly KUED Channel 7 news conference he's taking a "a hard line on clear crimes" committed by polygamists.But moments later he admitted he's turned the matter over to Attorney General Jan Graham - in her official capacity as the state's chief law officer - and county prosecutors.
Leavitt took the opportunity Thursday to correct a statement he made a month ago at the KUED press conference. Then he said polygamy was a tough matter because it may be protected under the Constitution's free exercise of religion clause. "It's not," he said Thursday.
Leavitt said the state doesn't prosecute polygamists for three reasons: It is difficult to prove, there are legal issues pertaining to how to deal with children, and prosecutors say it is a low priority.
In recent weeks as journalists from around the world have come to Utah to talk polygamy, the governor has forwarded responsibility to Graham. Graham's office has said that she will prosecute crimes but in turn has forwarded responsibility to local county prosecutors.
Later in the press conference, after several jokes about "less controversial questions," Leavitt was asked how he could say he was taking a hard line when the state isn't prosecuting openly polygamist practitioners such as Allred.
"Those decisions," Leavitt said, "are the responsibility of the attorney general and 29 elected county attorneys. That question should be posed to them."
Gov. Mike Leavitt told journalists and Utahns Thursday it’s time to get past all this concern over polygamy and move on to more pressing issues.
What caused him to comment on polygamy ???
Was he asked ???
What was the Q ???
Kind of a non-issue now anyway, considering popular culture encourages “marriage” between two of the same gender. What’s the big deal about a third...or fourth? What the hay.. make it 10!
He is also a big supporter of Romneycare, err Obamacare...
Gotta be able to flip-flop to be on Romney's team.
Perhaps this is why Romney has been pro-homosexual marriage. First normalize that, then polygamy, then...? Pagans know no divine boundaries— just whatever the society will accept at the moment.
Are Romney or Leavitt for Polygamy?
Didn’t think so.
In context, it is necessary to understand this is UTAH we are talking about.
The issue of Polygamy prosecution is apparently a troubling one there. Most Mormons don’t practice it or condone it, but some of them do, and what to do about them is a UTAH troubling issue.
Leavitt apparently resolved his confusion that possibly Polygamy is protected under freedom of religion by later saying he now knows it is not.
YOU, the poster of this thread, may believe the story of Romney’s Leavitt appt. is about Polygamy, but it isn’t about that.
Leavitt has held very high-level, federal appt. jobs under President Bush, as well as having been a long-time governor of Utah.
He isn’t a new face on the scene.
I have known of him for years.
You are cherry picking, trying to force feed us like we were babes in the woods.
And that’s the truth.
He checked with a constitutional lawyer and got a no way, no how, answer back.
If he had checked first, before he said it may be protected, well...if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
But I will be forever on sound, irrefutable, solid ground in pointing out to you, the man said “it MAY be”.
If he said it was, then turned around and said it wasn’t, you might have something.
But you have nothing.
And no, pretending you have him on record saying it was, then it wasn’t, won’t help.
I can read.
And I can hold you to account.
The Dessert News (a SLC lds publication) made it about polygamy. Grey was just posting the article.
People will wonder about polygamy, because the MSM will not stop asking about it and cable networks are not going to stop doing shows on it.
moromns practice polygamy, that’s what the whole sealing for eternity in the temple deal is about - many wives......for and we know the answer.
Are Romney or Leavitt for Polygamy?
He often announces that he “believes in” the “faith” of his fathers...
Romneys ancestors were polygamists who believed that polygamny would lead to godhood and getting to go to the highest level of the Mormon afterlife with a planet of their own and lots of willing “wives”
Th Mormon doctrine polygamy AKA “celestial marriage” is called “the first principle”
IOW its the most important thing to believe in and practice in Mormonism...
Monogamy is called prostitution...
monogamy is for chumps eh.
The advocacy group Conscience Cause formed in February to rescind or revise the birth control mandate. The organization's board includes Jim Nicholson, the former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican under President George W. Bush, and Republican strategists Mary Matalin and Ed Gillespie. Gillespie is an adviser to the Romney campaign. ".... Source
The focus needs to stay on the Left and their efforts to breakdown this country, brick by brick. No one will accuse Mormons of hating the United States and American exceptionalism.
Another thing that Romney will have to do to keep from being DUMPED in Tampa is to immediately fire his new appointee, Mike Leavitt, to head his transition team, and replace him with someone who wants to REPEAL AND ABOLISH Obama/Romneycare FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Care to tell us the specifics of your plan to dump Romney in Tampa?
It's hilarious to see a Romney supporter accusing someone of "cherry picking" and of all things, "force feeding" after the way that Mitt was force fed down the throats of voters.
BTW, I have been posting mormon facts at FR since '07....and until the mormon church recalls the 52,000 missionaries that are out there knocking on the doors of Christians and claiming their Christian faith is bogus, I will continue to do so.
Mitt won't be able to hide from mormon polygamy, and choosing Leavitt as a team leader after Leavitt's statement on it is as dumb as the GOP-E running a member of a proven racist sect against a black man.
If polygamy comes up in the next four to eight years, it will be on the heals of the gay agenda, fueled by the same anti cultural mob that pushes perversion now, and Romney will have nothing to do with it. I would be more concerned about Ron Paul signing onto it.
Why is this an issue, but the TLC show “Sister Wives” is not? Also, all polygamy charges vs. those freaks have just been dropped.
Ooooo! Got a Danite in your pocket?
Nobody knows the answer to that except for Romney and Leavitt. I don't know anything about this Leavitt but Romney is a known flip flopping, lying, liberal.
Lie detectors aren't positively 100% accurate but put them both on one and we might learn a little more.
DUH! The polygamy charges were in UTAH! Ya know, the state where the gov. Leavitt said it may be a "freedom of religion" matter.
Thank you for that report and links.
The focus indeed must stay on those bent on destroying America as founded.
As you put it, “tearing America down brick by brick”, because they despise our exceptional nation, but frighteningly, have been given power by it.
That MUST end.
So, any exposure of the idiocy of mormon belief and the likelihood that Romney will pack the federal government with more mormons must be, in your opinion censored?
You will likely see this Law of Consecration brought up time and again by the Obama campaign...an oath taken by Romney numerous times in the mormon temple..."You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion".
Mormons covenant to put the church before ALL things.
In no way did my comment to your thread censor you. Is everyone your enemy?
" They're trying to get the Utah law changed to permit polygamy. Also...
Brigham Young said that the “monogamic system” had been a “fruitful source of prostitution and whoredom throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World...” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 128).
Apostle George A. Smith boasted:
We breathe the free air, we have the best looking men and handsomest women, and if they envy us our position, well they may, for they are a poor, narrow minded, pinch-backed race of men, who chain themselves down to the law of monogamy and live all their days under the dominion of one wife. They ought to be ashamed of such conduct, and the still fouler channel which flows from their practices ... (Deseret News, April 16, 1856).
The following appeared in the church’s Millennial Star:”... the one-wife system not only degenerates the human family, both physically and intellectually, but it is entirely incompatible with philosophical notions of immortality; it is a lure to temptation, and has always proved a curse to a people” (vol. 15, p. 227).
George Q. Cannon claimed that the children of polygamists, “besides being equally as bright and brighter intellectually, are much more healthy and strong (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 207).
In a sermon reported in the LDS Church’s Deseret News, August 6, 1862, Brigham Young stated:
Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire. . . . Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers. . . .
Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practiced it. “And is that religion popular in heaven?” It is the only popular religion there . . . (Deseret News, August 6, 1862)
In the case of a man marrying a wife in the everlasting covenant who dies while he continues in the flesh and marries another by the same divine law, each wife will come forth in her order and enter with him into his glory (”Mormon” Doctrine Plain and Simple, or Leaves from the Tree of Life, by Charles W. Penrose, p.66, 1897, Salt Lake City, UT).
Harold B. Lee, the eleventh president of the church, also remarried after his wife’s death and was sealed to another woman and was looking forward to a polygamous relationship in heaven. He, in fact, wrote a poem in which he reflected that his second wife, Joan, would join his first wife, Fern, as his eternal wives:
My lovely Joan was sent to me: So Joan joins Fern
That three might be, more fitted for eternity.
“O Heavenly Father, my thanks to thee”
(Deseret News 1974 Church Almanac, p. 17)
After being widowed, Apostle Dallin Oaks remarried in the temple and believes he will be married eternally to both women. In 2002 he commented on his second sealing:
When I was 66, my wife June died of cancer. Two years latera year and a half agoI married [in the LDS temple] Kristen McMain, the eternal companion who now stands at my side. (Dallin Oaks, “Timing,” speech delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, January 29, 2002,
Sorry...I don’t know why it takes two tries for me to get hot links into posts.
The cold hard fact is that the next POTUS will either be a Marxist/Commie/Socialist or a Mormon. I WILL TAKE THE MORMON ANYDAY OVER THE MUSLIM.
Strange days we live in.
The Republican party was founded to fight against Mormon polygamy and Southern Black slavery.
Now the Mormons are mostly Republicans and the blacks are all Democrats.
Leavitt has to be fired.
When you make a statement like "The focus needs to stay on the Left and their efforts to breakdown this country, brick by brick." in a thread where the focus is on Romney, it tends to suggest that any deviance from the party line (ie. ABO) should go away.
I was quite surprised to see that comment from you, having admired your previous stand for Gov. Perry. There were certainly many posts made suggesting that "everyone was YOUR enemy"..or have you forgotten?
My focus is on mormonism and the ignorance of the voting populace of its history and ongoing goal to "govern the world".
I've forgotten nothing. Including all the supporters of Rick Perry who posted to threads on FR. "everyone was not mine" or Perry's "enemy." Your insistence to provoke by twisting history, speaks to your temperament, not mine.
I don't think you are going to be successful in changing the "focus" of this thread.
Your insistence to provoke by twisting history, speaks to your temperament, not mine.
Moving on now...
So when will Huntsman be appointed to something or other?
Since I won’t be voting for Romney or Obama or the GOPE who gave us these two, but down ticket only, I will say that Romney is a Bishop of the Mormon sect, but a nominal Mormon who flip flops on his rudderless religion as easily as he does on the Republican platform, which is meaningless, but, you get my drift here. He is an empty suit on religious issues, except for being the first to box in Catholic institutions in MA on their religious liberty, which was apparent in forcing Romneycare there, the template used by Barack Obama.
The worst of Obamacare/Romneycare is before the Supreme Court today but with Obama’s name on it—that is, religious liberty as affected by the individual mandate, which forces the religious self insurers to provide for abortion regardless of the tenents of their faith.
Doubt Romney nor Leavitt actually give a large rip about polygamy either way. It is simply the proclivity of Romney and Obama to support Marxist redistribution of wealth in their mutual care packages (RomneyObamaCare) and the ease with which they are both willing to forcefully compel a religion to dump their faith and PAY for abortion in the name of fiscal stewardship. Yuk.
Ron Paul has a problem of clarification as to what all he is willing to ignore in the name of libertarian purity. Does he give a rip about social issues (pot) or religious issues (marriage as a sacrament) which are not expressly defined and addressed in the Constitution as if it were a dang dictionary?
This is what decay looks like. Two empty suits are propped up by two parties who have obviously melled into one, and a morally and religiously confused and divided populace quite willing to comply with anything, in exchange for just a little Peace and Safety. The price, of course, will be liberty. But we know that already.
I've seen suggestions that Mitt will appoint Huntsman SOS because of his China experience.
Romney is not a nominal mormon.
He holds a temple recommendation (TR), only 15% or so of mormons make it to that high level.
There actually is nothing in Romney’s liberalism that is contrary to his mormonism.
Romney’s family has been in the hierarchy of mormonism since its foundation and he quite frequently refers to believing in and supporting the faith of his fathers.
Save our country..I want that Obamanation and his administration VOTED OUT.
So letting a guy amass dozens of wives would assuage his lust which would otherwise tempt him to prostitution, hm? What about HER desires? What about the attention the kids need, having to share that dad?
I WANNA MARRY MY TOMCAT! WAAAAAA!
I very much doubt that Mitt would bring America a group of First Ladies.
What a moronic, out of context, ancient history bunch of crap. Crawl back under your slimy rock. Bet you’re a troll for soros!
It's of interest to a few dozen kooks on this site.
Leavitt was Governor of Utah, having sworn to uphold the Constitution and laws of the State of Utah, when he gave a press conference on July 23, 1998, and was asked about the felony child abuse prosecution of John Daniel Kingston that was then ongoing and in the headlines.
Kingston was accused of beating his 16-year-old daughter with a belt when she balked at becoming the fifteenth wife of Kingston's brother. Although Kingston, a polygamist, was being tried for felony child abuse, neither Kingston, nor his brother, were being prosecuted for polygamy. Kingston was leader of a break-off fundamentalist Mormon sect, clearly not the LDS.
Anti-polygamy groups were publicly and vocally outraged that no polygamy charges had been brought and the Kingston matter was a major public and political issue in Utah.
Leavitt was asked in the news conference why Utah didn't prosecute polygamy. In addition to the comment that it may be a religious freedom (despite there being a famous U.S. Supreme Court case to the contrary when the LDS Church was fighting against federal prohibitions against polygamy, Reynolds v. U.S., one that any Utah lawyer or politician should know), Leavitt didn't leave the matter there.
He acknowledged that Utah didn't prosecute polygamy. He suggested it was a matter of consenting adults (and many here on FR will agree). He answered questions about polygamy for approximately four minutes before announcing he would answer no more. Among his comments, he said:
"It's clear to me in this state and many others, they have chosen not to aggressively prosecute it. I assume there is a legal reason for that. I think it goes well beyond tradition. What needs to be cracked down on, if there is to be such a crackdown, is any abuses of peoples' civil and human rights."
All of that - with the religious rights soundbite - is what caught national attention.
Leavitt later backtracked on the religious rights statement, however, he never issued orders to begin a prosecution of polygamy. In fact, there never was one. To this day, the official website of the Utah Attorney General states that Utah and Arizona have chosen to deal with child abuse and welfare cheating from polygamy, rather than polygamy itself. Again, my assumption is many on FR will agree with that stance.
However, Leavitt swore to uphold the Utah Constitution, which prohibits polygamy. He swore to uphold Utah laws, which prohibit polygamy. He was forced into the spotlight on polygamy, and the fact that Utah does not prosecute polygamy, because of a particularly noteworthy case and press conference.
Once he learned that he was wrong about the religious grounds . . . his choice was apparently to let the polygamy continue.
That's why he's viewed as the poster boy for political polygamy. Not that he's practicing it - but that moreso than any other Utah governor, he was put on the spot to police the prohibition and he chose not to do so, for what that's worth.
Was he sticking up for libertarianism and civil rights? Was he being a political pragmatist in a state that doesn't want a polygamist history spotlighted, now matter how? Call it as you see it.
It's not going to happen, but if it did? Right now the country has a lot more to worry about than that.