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To: OneWingedShark
As you can see, the Constitution explicitly allows for military enforcement of domestic laws.

Try reading more from the Constitution before quoting from it.

The Militia, according to the Constitution, consists of all able-bodied males between the ages of 18 and 40. The Militia consists of the PEOPLE, not Federal troops.

The Federal military forces are highly-trained to take orders from the President. A Militia would consist of people from local areas who would be highly unlikely to follow orders to shoot their neighbors if so ordered. I would rather the Militias be mustered than Federal troops be permitted into an area.

There's a lot of talk about law enforcement being overwhelmed, National Guard, etc. These are issues for the States. The Federal government needs to be invited into a State to assist. They should NOT just have to the right to mosey on in whenever they see fit.

There's a lot of saber-rattling from DC. I hope the Governors, esp. those in the South, are paying attention and are unwilling to assent to a Federal takeover. I would fight for my State of Florida if so ordered, but I would NEVER fight for Obama.

62 posted on 06/05/2012 5:44:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Try reading more from the Constitution before quoting from it.

I did, actually.

The Militia, according to the Constitution, consists of all able-bodied males between the ages of 18 and 40. The Militia consists of the PEOPLE, not Federal troops.

Of course it includes Federal Troops; or are you going to assert that they are not [part of] "the people"? Or perhaps that the Constitution does not apply to them?
The issue is a simply that of understanding sets & subsets.

The Federal military forces are highly-trained to take orders from the President. A Militia would consist of people from local areas who would be highly unlikely to follow orders to shoot their neighbors if so ordered. I would rather the Militias be mustered than Federal troops be permitted into an area.

Again, you're ignoring the simple fact that the federal troops ARE a portion of the people; furthermore, like you said they are trained/and equipped, given the Constitution's "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States"-clause it is obvious that this can only be the case if the federal troops are those "employed in the Service of the United States".

There's a lot of talk about law enforcement being overwhelmed, National Guard, etc. These are issues for the States.

Agreed.

The Federal government needs to be invited into a State to assist.

Untrue, Art 4, Sec 4 is not optional:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
(Of course the above is routinely ignored in the case of invasion by illegal immigrants.)

Furthermore, in art 1, sec 8: "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"
How much do you want to bet that an organized and armed resistance to federal overreach would "officially" qualify as Insurrections?

They should NOT just have to the right to mosey on in whenever they see fit.

They don't have the right; they have the power.
(As the Constitution delegates powers; rights are an attribute of a person. This minor point is however totally irrelevant to those who embrace a "might makes right" philosophy.)

I hope the Governors, esp. those in the South, are paying attention and are unwilling to assent to a Federal takeover. I would fight for my State of Florida if so ordered, but I would NEVER fight for Obama.

I hear what you are saying; it would be good if governors would make a stand. However, they are likely very afraid of the political ramifications if they use their powers, fearing a backlash from both the people* and the federal government.

Obama is [tangentially] one of the reasons I got out after 9 years enlisted in the Guard. I was saying how the Constitution mandated an NBC it would fall upon the Army to remove him from office should he not qualify (NBC clause); I wasn't entirely sure he wasn't an NBC then, but a sergeant basically yelled at me that I was wrong (i.e. that the oath to support & defend the Constitution was not operative.)... that combined with political promotions, which obviously I didn't qualify for.

* -- Especially conservatives: "I have a job; I have to [go to] work man!"

63 posted on 06/05/2012 9:50:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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