Skip to comments.Thousands of Communists and Neo-Nazis clash in streets of Hamburg
Posted on 06/04/2012 10:43:48 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
Clashes between neo-Nazi demonstrators and far-left counter-protesters overnight in the northern German port city of Hamburg left 38 police officers injured, police said Sunday.
Security forces were pelted with rocks, bottles and fireworks and responded by turning water canon and pepper spray on the rioting groups who turned out at a march by the far right.
At least two parked cars and a police cruiser were set ablaze.
Police, who deployed 4,400 officers to keep the peace between the two sides, took 63 demonstrators into custody and formally arrested another 17.
Around 3,500 people, mainly from the hard left, turned out to block a procession of about 700 right-wing skinheads, while more than 10,000 people attended a separate, peaceful rally against neo-Nazis in front of city hall.
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Maybe they both can lose.
Certainly both groups are losers.
Were they singing the Horst Wessel Lied and the Internationale?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... they’re not right-wing.
The both lost in the war between international and national socialist, ie WWII.
But 10s of millions of others were harmed, so that was not such a good outcome.
Green diarrhea socialists fight with brown diarrhea socialists, and police spray them both with fire hoses and pepper spray. But where were the right wingers they keep talking about in the article?
"...at the time of the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the Communists suddenly transformed the 'Anti-Nazi League' into the "Hollywood Peace Forum," calling for American neutrality and using the slogan 'Let's Skip the Next War.'..."
--Ronald Radosh, from his book, Red Star Over Hollywood: The Film Colony's Long Romance With the Left
"[Pete] Seeger was antiwar during the period of the Nazi-Soviet Pact; pro-war after the Soviet Union was the ally of the United States; and anti-war during the years of the Cold War and Vietnam." --Ronald Radosh (former communist)
"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communisms crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."
Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
Boy, that Stalin sure was a sawed-off little runt, especially compared to the size of most Russian men. A elbow pile driver to the top of the head would have done the world a lot of good....
What exactly do German Communists and German Nazis have to fight about?
They both hate democracy and support a totalitarian police state.
They are both atheistic.
They both hate capitalism and support government command economies.
They are both militaristic and expansionist.
The Nazis are overtly nationalistic and racist.
The Communists are closet racists and nationalists.
The only plausible reason for conflict is a dispute about who gets to run the government and distribute the goodies.
Is this about the next election, or German history, soon to become American?
Both are socialist.
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party (from the German Nazi, abbreviated from the pronunciation of Nationalsozialist), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP) prior to a change of name in 1920.
National Health Care: Medicine in Germany 1918-1945 [Nazi health care]
Does the Modern Bureaucratization of Medicine Risk a Return to the Horrors of National Socialist Medicine?
by Marc S. Micozzi M.D.
Today we are concerned about issues such as doctor-assisted suicide, abortion, the use of fetal tissue, genetic screening, birth control and sterilization, health-care rationing and the ethics of medical research on animals and humans. These subjects are major challenges in both ethics and economics at the end of the twentieth century. But at the beginning of the twentieth century the desire to create a more scientific medical practice and research had already raised the issues of euthanasia, eugenics, and medical experimentation on human subjects. In addition, the increasing involvement of the German government in medical care and funding medical research established the government-medical complex that the National Socialists later used to execute their extermination policies. ..."
The New York Times has now corrected  a "smear" about Pete Seeger being 50 years too late in denouncing Stalin. Thanks to the intrepid research of Times reporter Daniel J. Wakin, the record has now been set straight. Pete Seeger was only about 40 years too late in criticizing Stalin.
They label anyone who has extreme nationalistic tendencies as far right. The European right wing is not the same as the American right.
One might think that the neo-nazis and the American right or conservatives both oppose the big government, but that isn’t even true. Neo-nazis would love a big, powerful government, as long as they were running it.
A lot of the same forces that were present in 1930 are present again, and the same type of people are looking for scapegoats and power.
The Communists are closet racists and nationalists.
As you know, during World War II, the Soviets never cheered for Communism/the USSR. It was always about defending “Mother Russia”.
And when they invaded country after country...?
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
AFP is Agence Francais? At least they use the term “far left”. Almost always it’s “progressives” or “leftists” in the media no matter how extreme or violent they are.
Here is hoping all polish radio towers are safe
The chart clearly shows increases in government spending are associated with fewer jobs, not more. The data for the past hundred years shows the same negative relationship between the growth in government and the number of jobs. It is no coincidence that European and other countries with larger governments almost always have lower labor-force participation rates.
Aaahhh. Just like the good old days of the 1920s.
Let the leftist scum wipe each other out.
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
Precisely. See quote in my post above.
The Western Left has been running the Big Lie that the Nazis were “of the Right” since WWII in an effort to hide the fact that their positions on most issues are so similar. Actually reading the NSDAP platform of 1933, among other source documents, shows this clearly. Unfortunately The Western Left has largely been running education the whole time, so this Big Lie has been very successful, as very few people actually read source documents and think on their own any more.
Sorry, correction, it was 1920, not 1933.
That was because even the most thick-headed commissar understood the value of patriotism in repelling an invader. When Stalin saw the way the Wehrmacht was (initially) received in the Ukraine he understood.
Lefties taking on lefties. How delicious!!!
I'm suuuure this is only an oversight.
For clarity, the fascists held that you can own property but the government can tell you what to do with it, particularly if it is a business. The communists held that all property and businesses are the governments property.
The Nazis are overtly nationalistic and racist.
The Communists are closet racists and nationalists.
The fascists were nationalists (loyal to home country) and the communists were internationalists (loyal to USSR). To the rank and file it looked the same.
Germany of the 1920's was all in for socialism, it just had not decided which brand of socialism it was going to have.
Brilliant. I have made this point by having a tagline that read "neo-communist = neo-fascist". It is basically the same thing.
Hayek nailed it 50-60 years ago. On this and many other points.
AFP sounds ill informed. Or, more likely is twisting the facts to suit their agenda.
The only clashing that occured was when the “antifascists” started torching cars and throwing rocks and bottles at the police (just their usual MO...) and the police lamely tried to contain their rioting.
The Neo-Nazis did their little march and that was that.
And that is they way it almost always happens. The two extremist groups are kept far enough apart that they cannot clash with each other. So the “antifascists” throw their little temper tantrum and...see above.
That does add an important dose of clarity.
Ding ding ding we have a winner ladies & gentlemen. You get a pat on the back & a attaboy as your prize for figuring out exactly what the brawls are about.
The only plausible reason for conflict is a dispute about who gets to
run the government and distribute the goodies control the masses with unlimited power.
You also never see any documentaries about the communist movement, about how they are behind the so-called "anti-war" (actually, anti-US military, pro-Communist) movement. Even the doc on the Weather Underground had them pictured as being basically noble souls who perhaps went a bit too far in their attempt to stop an evil American war. No mention that they were pro-Communist and actually met and received assistance from the enemy. Meanwhile, there are dozens and dozens of investigative docs on white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups, as comparatively insignificant as they are. Idiot Sean Hannity rarely referred to Bill Ayers or the WU as being communist, even though they themselves proudly stated that they were revolutionaries. He only described them as being "domestic terrorists". Bad enough, but it misses a major component of what was happening then and today. In fact, the only time I can't recall him alluding to it, and I watched and listened to him a lot during the year prior to the election, was when he quoted Ayers' "Bring the Revolution Home..."
"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obamas circle: The same old America-hating Left
From American Thinker, September 16, 2008
Article: Obama's Foul Weather Friends
By Scott Swett and Roger Canfield
"As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who [Bernardine] Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he 'left the room to cry.' "
"In July 1969, [Bernardine] Dohrn [Bill Ayers' co-terrorist wife and leader of the Weather Underground], Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
July 27, 1970: The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYTimes, 7/27/70]
Chronology of Weather Underground attacks:
Wikipedia's source for the Chronology of Events:
FBI files (on pdf)
Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl discusses the Weather Underground's post-revolution governing plans for the United States:
"I asked, 'well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?' and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say 'eliminate,' I mean 'kill.' Twenty-five million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious."
From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:
Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs [ie, rich people], then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victims stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
From Accuracy In Media | AIM.ORG
Obamas Red Mentor Praised Red Army
AIM Report | By Cliff Kincaid | April 30, 2008
Barack Obamas childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA), wrote a poem dedicated to the Soviet Red Army. Smash on, victory-eating Red Army, he declared. He also wrote poems attacking traditional Christianity and the work of Christian missionaries.
The Red Army poem goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and hails the Soviet revolution. It says:
Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British, all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of new unity
Planted twenty-five years ago
Bears today the golden fruit of victory!
Obamas Communist Mentor
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008
"through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his 'poetry' and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just 'Frank.'
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations."
Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses:
"Obamas victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary 'mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."
-People's Weekly World (PWW), official newspaper of the Communist Party, USA
(Note: article has since been pulled from the Communist Party USA/Peoples Weekly World/PWW website)
AIM article: Obamas Communist Mentor
Stinkin' lying press. There is no "right," let alone "far right" in communism nor naziism. NAZI - "National SOCIALIST."
But the evil, commie, nazi press just keeps on repeating the big lie.
Out of all the 'radicals, no one like *him* and his (cough) 'wife', Bernadine 'Skank' Dohrn gets my blood boiling. Those two Commie Maggots are about 25 miles ESE of me and I'm paying for Bill's friggen pension and health insurance benefits with my state tax money.
I can't recall if they were at Grant Park on Aug 26 of '68 when they rioted that night with the CPD but if so, I'm sorry they weren't some of the 'hippies' who I hit with my car -- on Police Orders to: "GO!, GO!" :-) -- when they tried to block traffic on Michigan Ave during the day time (I always obey the Police).
And watching those pukes earlier on that day waving those VC, NVA, Chi-Com and USSR flags and hearing the Commie 'leaders' spewing their crap on a PA system made me want to go in there and kick some commie ass. But I was 'slightly out numbered'. Plus the Cops had Grant Park cordoned off on Balbo Ave where I was first watching them from.
Anyway, now when I read the stories of the typical weekend carnage in Chi, I always kind of hope to see their names when its in-near their area. (yeah, shame on me, that's 'bad'. /s) But they're likely hiding behind their Mansion's tripe locked Security Doors and Iron Gates when the sun goes down. So them getting mugged, accidentally shot by gang cross-fire, or 'flash-mobbed' isn't likely.
Why do Bloods and Crips fight each other? It's all about the "colors".
Control of ‘turf’.
Can you dig it?
Actually, they are competing branches of the Leftist embrace of Karl Marx's idiotic view of historic inevitability. It is a conflict over who will have power, when the "inevitable" fantasy is accomplished.
For a detailed analysis of just how far from actually being rightists, the Nazis were:
Of course those battling in the streets of Hamburg are not necessarily the brightest Leftists. One suspects that many could not define just what they believe in; but taking to the streets for a cause appeals to a certain type of personality. Other people only demonstrate reluctantly.
Nazis believed in Communism, but for only one race.
"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal".--James (Jim) Cone,
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
SEAN HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"
WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.
HANNITY: But I'm a reverend
WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?
Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008
In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obamas pastor in a heated interview about his Churchs teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...
Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology."
Although it [The New Black Panther Party] says it sees capitalism as the fundamental problem with the world and revolution as the solution, the new party does not draw its influences from Marxism or Maoism as the original party did. Instead, in a carefully-worded, roundabout form of ethnic nationalism, they say that Marx based his ideology and teachings on indigenous African cultures, and that the NBPP therefore need not look to Marxism or Maoism as a basis for their program, but can look to ideologies that stem directly from those African origins.