Skip to comments.If Scott Walker wins Wisconsin's recall election, labor will suffer a self-inflicted wound
Posted on 06/05/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by tobyhill
If Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker loses the election to recall him from office Tuesday, the political press will declare the arrival of Big Labor's comeback. If Walker wins, it will be seen as yet another sign of labor's demise.
The election to recall the Republican governor, sparked by Walker's successful 2011 effort to end collective bargaining for public employees, has drawn participation from many different groups, including the tea party. But unions, which have long been fighting stories of their demise, have much of what's left of their reputation as powerful political organizers riding on the race.
Union membership in 2011 fell to a record low for the second straight year, according to the Department of Labor, but that's not the only avenue in which unions have been struggling.
Bill Schneider, a a senior fellow and resident scholar at centrist think tank Third Way, told Yahoo News that labor has lately experienced "tougher times winning" electoral races in which they've inserted themselves. This includes labor's unsuccessful attempt to take down Sen. Blanche Lincoln in the 2010 Arkansas Democratic primary.
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Unions=Brownshirts. Their time is up.
Increasingly, Big Labor = Government Unions. Doubly bad.
I saw this with Maureen Dowd railing against Obama. What's going on here folks?
OK, Wisconsin - TODAY IS THE DAY!!!!!
I heard Paul Ryan’s quote: “June 5th, we save Wisconsin and Nov. 6 Wisconsin saves the United States of America.”
It’s OUR turn in history, it’s our duty to set the ship right, so let’s get on with today!
Let’s DO THIS!
You could almost understand this recall election if Moses or Jesus had come back and indicated a desire to run as a demoKKKrat for some reason, but this is just the same clown who lost to Walker last election, what the hell are they doing or what makes them think anything different is going to happen?
They created a system that while not perfect has more self correct release valves compared to Europe for example.
The Walker reforms / revolution are the blow off valve against unproductive unsustainable Statism/Union-ism and their cradle to grave you owe me dependency model.
Once these reforms are enacted, they will be noticed (they have, they work) and can't be stopped, that is why they (the Unions) are trying to do a retroactive abortion here.
It is too late IMHO, he will probably win big.
If so, this evening we maybe witnessing the beginning of the end of the 100 year oldish Labor Movement in America, and my guess is they know their gig done....
I expect many Union Leaders to take early retirements and we will see them soon with the mustard socks in the sandals with the bad Hawaiian Shirt at the Senior Special at Shonnie's in Boca Raton..
>>Notice its the normally Liberal/Progressive ABC News that has fired this broadside.
I think ABC is moving slightly to the right of the other TV news outlets except for FNC. They’ve come out with far more stories on Fast and Furious than anyone else, for example.
Praying for yunz up there in Wisconsin! Wish I could vote with ya!
I hope everyone voting today keeps a video recorder (iPhone or something) on them to record any of the librat voter crimes that are bound to happen.
Also, hoping for a live thread soon.
“What’s going on here folks?”
I would guess frustration with a big heaping bucketful of gloom ‘n doom. Next the libs will form a surrender monkey parade.
If Walker wins, will the unions riot?
Oh, I don't know, I think their tally on the expenditures is fuzzy math, and of course the Koch brothers are tied to it in a way that any mention of Soros in a contrary opinion would be edited out.
DRIVE A WOODEN STAKE THROUGH THE HEART OF UNIONS!
Here is the true and correct framing.
If Walker wins, the people and Taxpayers win.
If Walker loses, the people and Taxpayers will once again be oppressed by the Union bosses
Airborne! Walker will win. Wisconsin forward!
In the private sector there are market restraints on what a union can demand. If UPS (union) workers demand too much in compensation as to render their company non-competitive with FedEx (non-union), they will lose business. This puts a real world restraint on what these unions demand in terms of compensation and benefits. Corporations can go out of business, which obviously would hurt the union employees. Government has no competition, and is in effect a monopoly in terms of the services that it supplies. Therefore, there is no similar control placed upon public sector union demands. If government workers go on strike, where else can consumers go to get their drivers licenses? There is no market mechanism to keep the price of labor in line.
With the lack of market forces, taxpayers must rely exclusively upon management to say no to costly demands. Management in this case of the current issue in Wisconsin is the Governor, but the scenario is no different throughout other levels of government. County Executives, Mayors, & Town Councils all act as management in the government “corporation”. The government official must work even harder to represent the taxpayer in negotiations with public employee unions under these circumstances. There is a political party, however, that is beholden to the very government unions they are supposed to be negotiating with.
The Democratic Party receives an overwhelming amount of money in political donations from public sector unions, in fact their top 4 donors are various government unions (http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php).
Many candidates go to union sponsored events, and pledge their support. This would not be a problem if not for the fact that the elected official in question will be sitting across the negotiating table from the very union that supported them in their campaign. If a candidate for office received a donation from a corporation, then after elected gave a no bid contract to that corporation it would be called corruption. How is this situation any different?
Considering most government entities (other than federal) must balance their budgets every year, you would think that politicians would be restricted from offering paybacks to the unions. They cant give what they dont have. Right? The problem with this argument is that the official has the ability to promise, and get passed into law, retirement and health benefits that will be paid for in the future. This takes away any current budgetary restraint that may exist, and puts us in the situation we find ourselves today in Wisconsin and all across the nation.
Mr. Walkers proposal specifically eliminates collective bargaining for pension and healthcare benefits. This addresses the problem of politicians overpromising future benefits for unions that helped elect them. Any progress made in Wisconsin or other states, however, may be short lived if the screamers get to rule the debate. It would not be surprising if unions spend even more than the current record amounts in the next election in order to drown out rational discussion.
Re post 18:
Excellent summary of the perverse incentives and feedbacks between unionized government workers, their elected “bosses”,
and the political parties!
Public employee unions could care less about any impact on the tax dollar just as long as someone else pays their way. Union bosses could care less if there are massive layoffs just as long as the union remains intact. The union is solely for the union. Taxpayers and voters need to remember that.
including the tea party. What Tea Party are you talking about rachel? I hate it when these bozos just make stuff up..getting paid by the word.
Having their free ride curtailed is not a wound.
Here is what is going on. The GOP-e "blessed" us with a milquetoast RINO nominee for President, one that is virtually a democrat. So much so the lefties and the MSM are comfortable going after their own. Believe me if Gingrich were the nominee none of this would be happening.
I’ll know Walker won when the MSM doesn’t report it tomorrow.
To answer that question you need only look to a definition of what being insane is - expecting different results while doing the same thing over and over again. Typical lib behavior.
Book mark (great summery)
Its a public employee union against taxpayer problem NOT a private employee union against business owners problem.
105 million, private-sector workers, 7% union
20 million, public-sector workers, 37% union
It’s 8:38 am. EST. Has Dan Rather already called the election for Barrett?
Too quick. Walker should use the justice system to eviserate the unions for their illegal activities, with hard labor sentences for convicted union leaders.
Walker also needs to pull the legislators' hotels out of their alpha and pass a bill to relegalize capital punishment.
Wisconsin has a history of being tough in battle.
Their (6th Wisconsin) first action came two days before the Second Battle of Bull Run in August of 1862 in the Brawner farm fields near Gainsville, Virginia. Here they ran into portions of Stonewall Jackson's corps. Despite being greatly outnumbered, they were able to hold off Stonewall and his men for a few hours until darkness ended the contest. This is where the Iron Brigade (2nd, 6th, and 7th Wisconsin, 19th Indianna, 24th Michigan) first began to earn its reputation. Captured Confederates would refer to them as the Black Hat Devils of the Army of the Potomac. Others prisoners were heard to say, it's no use to fight that Big Hat Brigade, we will only get cut to pieces. Already in their first fight, they had earned the fear and respect of their enemies.
The Iron Brigade was always sent to the thick of the fight: Second Bull Run, South Mountain, in the cornfield at Antietam, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, and of course at Gettysburg.
Most definitely, Wisconsin, fight on!
ABC News is in the bag for the Clinton’s.
Payback is a b*&ch!
“Ill know Walker won when the MSM doesnt report it tomorrow.”
That’s kinda like, If the phone don’t ring you’ll know its me.
Nothing has changed. The MSM is trying to rehab their credibility by telling the truth once in a while.
The only reason any of this happens is because unions negotiate with state officials whom the unions put in power.
It is one giant money laundering operation that is paid for with taxpayer dollars.
Break that cycle, combined with non predatory union dues and this takes care of itself.
That is the case until the government comes in, with tax payer money, and bails the union employer out.
——OK, Wisconsin - TODAY IS THE DAY!!!!!——
Yeah! LET’S ROLL!
No, the only reason Walker wins is because Big Labor shouldn't have tried to recall him in the first place. Typical.
“If Walker wins, will the unions riot?”
They will demand a re-count—even if they are spanked, see Mourdock v. Luger: 60-40—and when that doesn’t work, they will hold their breath until they turn blue.
They’re already making noises about Walker “pushing his own agenda.” Translated: he’s just repeating what he campaigned and won on—so, this really is a self-inflicted wound. The last two efforts to recall governors were successful but of course we knew this demo-mulligan was snake-bit when both Clinton and Obama got involved.
heh - A labor union doing hard labor...
One definition of insanity is . . . :-)
I am expecting the temper tantrum to start any time - as in riots
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