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George Zimmerman back in jail, defense expected to file request for his release
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | 4 June, 2012 | Amy Pavuk

Posted on 06/05/2012 5:36:30 AM PDT by marktwain

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with fatally shooting teenager Trayvon Martin, woke up once again at the Seminole County Jail on Monday, where he returned over the weekend after a judge revoked his bond.

Zimmerman, 28, will remain at the Sanford facility until Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester decides if he should be free again, pending his second-degree murder trial.

Zimmerman is charged in the controversial shooting of Trayvon on Feb. 26, which the neighborhood watch volunteer said was made in self-defense.

He was released from the Seminole County Jail in April after posting bond, but state prosecutors told a judge Zimmerman's wife lied about the couple's finances while under oath during his April 20 bail hearing.

Zimmerman's wife Shellie Zimmerman knew about the thousands of dollars her husband collected in donations, but didn't tell this information to Lester.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman, sat by and listened as his wife spoke, prosecutors said.

On Friday, Lester revoked Zimmerman's bond, giving him 48 hours to surrender.

(Excerpt) Read more at articles.orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
In the last two articles that I have found, there has been no mention of the passport issue. Where did that come from, and what happened to it?

Was it totally made up of lies from the begining?

1 posted on 06/05/2012 5:36:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The Judge knew about the Passport.


2 posted on 06/05/2012 5:42:33 AM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: marktwain

Just more harrasment.

Government frightened to death to offend the Lynch mob.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 6:19:53 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: marktwain

I read somewhere that the judge didn’t think the passport was a big deal and compared it to replacing a lost drivers license and then finding the old one.


4 posted on 06/05/2012 6:38:01 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: marktwain

Whatever.
Black America demands its HUMAN SACRIFICE.

ALL else is essentially irrelevant.

The rule of “law” died a generation ago; did anybody notice?


5 posted on 06/05/2012 6:47:10 AM PDT by Flintlock (THE TRUTH: It's the new hate speech..)
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To: marktwain
Zimmerman's wife Shellie Zimmerman knew about the thousands of dollars her husband collected in donations, but didn't tell this information to Lester.

That is true but it's also true that the judge had to have taken that Paypal account into account when he set bail at $150,000 for man who had no other assets, who was not a flight risk, and facing a charge for which the state had and still has no evidence.

6 posted on 06/05/2012 6:47:29 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Venturer

I’m not so sure. From the beginning, I’ve been one of the biggest Zimmerman supporters here, but I feel the judge has been reasonable so far.

He refused to let the prosecution blow GZ’s run in with the Alcolhol Control agent out of proportion at the bail hearing, granted him a pretty reasonable bail, and allowed him to live out of state while awaiting trial. He also dismissed the 2nd passport “issue” as irrelevant.

I believe that he would not have revoked his bail unless he had some legitimate concerns. Hopefully, GZ and his lawyers can deal with those concerns at the next bail hearing and he will once again be released (probably on a higher bond).


7 posted on 06/05/2012 6:49:09 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: marktwain

That second passport was turned over to O’Mara 5 days after the bond hearing.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 6:50:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks, good to know.


9 posted on 06/05/2012 7:11:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Judge Lester disposed of the passport issue already. Zimmerman's holding it back for a week was a non-issue as far as Lester was concerned. The state is apt to argue it again, but for the time being the point is settled in Zimmerman's favor.

The judge wants an explanation of why Shellie Zimmerman or George Zimmerman didn't apprise the court (or O'Mara) of the approximate amount of money in the realgeorgezimmerman account, before or at the April 20 bond hearing. George and Shellie both knew there was upward of a hundred grand there, and Lester feels "left out" of what he is supposed to be privy to before setting bail.

It didn't bug him on April 27th because he didn't realize that he'd been sandbagged by Zimmerman on the 20th. He probably had a clue in mid-May that Shellie and/or George hadn't been forthcoming, but the state's evidence pretty much proved the state's contention that Zimmermans knew, on the 20th.

Back to the passport, I think Zimmerman was sandbagging the court on that point, too. He had two, turned in the one previously reported as "lost" and kept the one that he could have traveled on. Between April 20 and April 25, he disclosed all to O'Mara, so I think Zimmerman was either feeling guilty, or thought he'd get caught, or for whatever reason decided to submit fully.

If I was in his shoes, I'd probably tell the court that I didn't trust the state, and had no reason to think the court wasn't in cahoots with the state. Then I realized that the state has infinite resources, and was going to make my life miserable as it could, no matter what, so I might as well submit.

10 posted on 06/05/2012 7:30:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip
"That is true but it's also true that the judge had to have taken that Paypal account into account when he set bail at $150,000 for man who had no other assets"

That is an excellent point. Prosecution did bring it up at the bail hearing, and even if there was some question as to how much was in there at the time, undoubtedly the Court had to assume there were funds and would be more, possibly A LOT more given the attention on the case. It's quite disingenuous to come back now and say the bail should be higher. If so, why not revoke bond and raise the bail again when donations hit half a million. Then again at a million.

11 posted on 06/05/2012 7:31:09 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Uncle Chip
-- That is true but it's also true that the judge had to have taken that Paypal account into account when he set bail at $150,000 for man who had no other assets, who was not a flight risk, and facing a charge for which the state had and still has no evidence. --

I think the judge is most pissed about being misled, not that he would have changed the bond amount, just that he demands full candor from witnesses and defendants.

12 posted on 06/05/2012 7:32:26 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: moehoward
-- It's quite disingenuous to come back now and say the bail should be higher. --

The state's argument is that bail should be revoked until after the trial concludes, not that it should be higher. They base this on Zimmerman being a liar, and therefore a flight risk, or some such leap of logic.

Lester questioned his power to get at the defense fund right from the start, and now that it is sequestered from Zimmerman by a trustee who is doling funds for designated purposes, Lester has no resource he can "tap" to justify a greater amount of bail anyway.

Back to revocation, I think there are good arguments that Lester overreached by revoking, because he did not find flight risk, danger to society, or that the state has a slam-dunk case with no evidence to create reasonable doubt Zimmerman is a murderer. Lester MUST, under the constitution and law of Florida, grant reasonable bail. His irritation at Shellie or George lying to the court has to be handled with a separate charge from a prosecutor, or by a contempt finding and order.

13 posted on 06/05/2012 7:40:06 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; moehoward; marktwain
I think the judge is most pissed about being misled, not that he would have changed the bond amount, just that he demands full candor from witnesses and defendants.

You mean that he didn't like her Clintonian "I don't know" answers to his questions??? I think a lot of the blame rests on GZ's attorney for not gathering this financial information ahead of time and having it at his fingertips. Otherwise what is he -- a potted plant??? BTW from his website:

"Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing."

Looks like GZ isn't getting out any time soon.

14 posted on 06/05/2012 7:46:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
-- You mean that he didn't like her Clintonian "I don't know" answers to his questions? --

Not when he found out that she knew the amount of funds was substantial.

-- "Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing." --

So much for the Florida law (and constitution) that an accused person is entitled to bail. Maybe thinking that "time served" will be sufficient revenge for the judge.

15 posted on 06/05/2012 7:53:58 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
"His irritation at Shellie or George lying to the court has to be handled with a separate charge from a prosecutor, or by a contempt finding and order."

Agreed.

Now I see O'Mara is delaying his bond hearing for a few weeks.....something must be in the wind down there...

16 posted on 06/05/2012 7:54:31 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Uncle Chip
"I think a lot of the blame rests on GZ's attorney for not gathering this financial information ahead of time and having it at his fingertips."

Roger that.

17 posted on 06/05/2012 7:57:43 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Flintlock

Zimmerman would be just the beginning, the precedent.
The goal is to make it illegal to defend oneself against (specifically black) thuggery.


18 posted on 06/05/2012 7:58:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Uncle Chip
-- I think a lot of the blame rests on GZ's attorney for not gathering this financial information ahead of time and having it at his fingertips. --

Maybe he asked and got the same treatment the court did, on April 20th. Maybe letting Zimmerman sit in jail is O'Mara's revenge, too.

Or, maybe it was an oversight. He hadn't been on the job for long, and had just completed getting a new judge. I think O'Mara is very smart, but not speedy-smart. He comes off as methodical and measured. This is probably the first time he got a client who obtained a self defense fund of this size via website, so quickly.

Not to give him a pass - he's said some things publicly, about how the legal process works, that are false, and I think he knew his remarks were false when he made them. E.g., the 15 day window for discovery starts at arraignment.

19 posted on 06/05/2012 8:01:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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"They base this on Zimmerman being a liar,..."

That last shred of a chance for Crump to keep out Treyvon's 'character issues' has evaporated.

20 posted on 06/05/2012 8:09:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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-- That last shred of a chance for Crump to keep out Treyvon's 'character issues' has evaporated. --

O'Mara isn't going to publicly dig into Martin's past. West might.

21 posted on 06/05/2012 8:12:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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She said under oath she didn’t know exactly how much but that her brother in law Robert Zimmerman Jr did. Why did the court not ask him?


22 posted on 06/05/2012 8:23:06 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Jaded
-- She said under oath she didn't know exactly how much but that her brother in law Robert Zimmerman Jr did. Why did the court not ask him? --

Supposing it did, and learned of the amount. The issue with Shellie would remain, based on her testimony combined with the recorded prison phone calls.

But, if that hypothetical timing had occurred, I don't think the state would have been on its toes or pissed enough to bring the motion it filed last week.

23 posted on 06/05/2012 8:36:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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Maybe he asked and got the same treatment the court did, on April 20th. Maybe letting Zimmerman sit in jail is O'Mara's revenge, too.

I'd be willing to bet that every lawyer in that courtroom knew that the Zimmerman's were not in compliance with Florida law regarding a Trustee over the Paypal funds at the time of that hearing.

I just don't think that the judge or prosecution or defense pushed the issue at that time because they wanted the Zimmerman clan to cough up as much of their assets for bailbond as possible. They wanted the Paypal account to be used to pay other things -- like those lawyer fees that will be substantial. They knew that they would ultimately get their hands on the Paypal funds and they have.

Ignorance was a self-serving bliss for the lawyers at that hearing. Afterall, the more money paid to bailbondsmen, the less available for the lawyers, and the greater chance the state would have to foot their bill. This was financial planning for a nice long trial with a lot of motions.

24 posted on 06/05/2012 8:43:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
-- This was financial planning for a nice long trial with a lot of motions. --

I think so too.

Zimmerman should arrange another way to get funds, outside of O'Mara's account. Nothing formal, no website, no "asking for money." Just a PO Box or something, where people can send checks the lawyers can't get their mitts on.

25 posted on 06/05/2012 9:01:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Zimmerman should arrange another way to get funds, outside of O'Mara's account. Nothing formal, no website, no "asking for money." Just a PO Box or something, where people can send checks the lawyers can't get their mitts on.

Yep ---

26 posted on 06/05/2012 9:05:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Oh I’m sure the defense wouldn’t have a hard time finding someone willing to air Treyvon’s dirty laundry if need be.


27 posted on 06/05/2012 9:13:11 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Cboldt

OTOH, if she had information from say Tuesday when it was 115K and was asked on Thursday and it was 170K she would still be acused of lying to the court for not having the exact amount.


28 posted on 06/05/2012 9:14:34 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: Jaded
-- OTOH, if she had information from say Tuesday when it was 115K and was asked on Thursday and it was 170K she would still be acused of lying to the court for not having the exact amount. --

I agree the state would accuse her, but if she said "I don't how much, and new money comes in, last I looked it had 135k," calling her a liar isn't going to get very far with Lester.

Water over the dam. Lester feels misled, probably was misled, Zimmerman's lawyers are letting the system treat their client as a pawn for a few weeks, instead of mounting the legal arguments they are entitled to make. I think the whole bunch of them, Corey and O'Mara, maybe Lester, are in on an unspoken agreement to slow walk this case. Cash cow.

29 posted on 06/05/2012 9:22:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MrB
The goal is to make it illegal to defend oneself...

I don't know how they can make self defense illegal. It does look like that is their goal though.

30 posted on 06/05/2012 9:48:11 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: MrB

That ia precisely the change that obama and holder are working towards.


31 posted on 06/05/2012 10:00:18 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: MrB

That ia precisely the change that obama and holder are working towards.


32 posted on 06/05/2012 10:00:37 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: ladyjane

Oh, don’t leave out the most important part of my post.
This prohibition of self defense is RACE BASED.


33 posted on 06/05/2012 11:08:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: moehoward
-- Now I see O'Mara is delaying his bond hearing for a few weeks.....something must be in the wind down there... --

Lester is away all this week, and I think discretionary hearings are on Fridays, maybe even alternating Fridays.

34 posted on 06/05/2012 2:06:09 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Ah.


35 posted on 06/05/2012 2:39:16 PM PDT by moehoward
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