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Police Stop, Handcuff Every Adult at Intersection in Search for Bank Robber (Colorado)
ABC News ^ | June 5, 2012 | By Erin McLaughlin

Posted on 06/05/2012 7:15:46 AM PDT by Islander7

Police in Aurora, Colo., searching for suspected bank robbers stopped every car at an intersection, handcuffed all the adults and searched the cars, one of which they believed was carrying the suspect.

Police said they had received what they called a “reliable” tip that the culprit in an armed robbery at a Wells Fargo bank committed earlier was stopped at the red light.

“We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber,” Aurora police Officer Frank Fania told ABC News.

Officers barricaded the area, halting 19 cars.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: colorado; constitution; drivershandcuffed; leo; standingarmy; thugs; wellsfargoheist; wellsfargorobbery
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“Most of the adults were handcuffed, then were told what was going on and were asked for permission to search the car,” Fania said. “They all granted permission, and once nothing was found in their cars, they were un-handcuffed.”
1 posted on 06/05/2012 7:16:00 AM PDT by Islander7
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To: Islander7

If nobody files a class-action lawsuit on behalf of the victims by tomorrow morning, that means our country is already finished.


2 posted on 06/05/2012 7:19:23 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Islander7
“Police said they had received what they called a “reliable” tip...”

And the ‘Tip’ quite likely came from one of the bank robbers, or a friend thereof, that gave them time to get away.

3 posted on 06/05/2012 7:21:24 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Islander7

ASS. HOLES.


4 posted on 06/05/2012 7:21:50 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: jiggyboy

Imagine someone with a valid CCW/CCL driving into that trap... the cops’d shoot first and ask questions later.


5 posted on 06/05/2012 7:22:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Islander7
We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything

The very antithesis of "probable cause".

6 posted on 06/05/2012 7:22:55 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Islander7
“Most of the adults were handcuffed, then were told what was going on and were asked for permission to search the car,” Fania said. “They all granted permission, and once nothing was found in their cars, they were un-handcuffed.”

Baa, baaa, baaaaaaa!

Not one wolf (or even ill-tempered sheep) in the entire flock.

7 posted on 06/05/2012 7:24:03 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Islander7

They didn’t have a description. Didn’t have sex, race, age. Didn’t know the vehicle. Still had a “virtual certainty.” What’s that? RFID chip? Then why can’t they pinpoint the car? Why did they bottle up the robber with a bunch of potential hostages?

They showed some confiscated guns. They didn’t show any recovered money. They didn’t name a suspect. And still they say they caught the robber.

I do believe I’d entertain myself with requiring a warrant to search my car, and then a lawsuit for false arrest.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 7:25:00 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: Islander7
I'm guessing that it was ordered by Holder's FBI.

9 posted on 06/05/2012 7:26:17 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Islander7

[ “Most of the adults were handcuffed, then were told what was going on and were asked for permission to search the car,” Fania said. “They all granted permission, and once nothing was found in their cars, they were un-handcuffed.” ]

So if you demanded than they provide as earch warrant I would have to wonder what “evidence” they would have “found”. Also would they have arrested you on the charge of “interfereing with a police investigation”...


10 posted on 06/05/2012 7:26:36 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

From freedom to slavery...in one generation!!!


11 posted on 06/05/2012 7:29:50 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Islander7

This would pretty much depend on how ‘reliable’ this tip was in order to stop all those cars. If it was an eyewitness that would be enough, but an eyewitness should be able to provide SOME physical script of the perp. Weird scenario.


12 posted on 06/05/2012 7:31:24 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Islander7

Aurora is a suberb of Denver, which is a liberal bastion second only to the People’s Republic of Boulder as a place where illogic and idiocy abound.

Thankfully, the rest of the state is quite sane and - of course - that’s where folks actually do real work and produce things.


13 posted on 06/05/2012 7:34:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Beagle8U

not out of the realm of probability.


15 posted on 06/05/2012 7:36:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: carriage_hill

“Imagine someone with a valid CCW/CCL driving into that trap... the cops’d shoot first and ask questions later.”

CO is quite liberal (in the good sense) with CCW permits. However, when applying for it in a (not Denver) city, the sheriff’s dept always briefs that one should not count on any logic whatsoever if one is stopped in Denver.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 7:37:08 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Islander7

Sounds like those recent cases where someone calls in fake calls which end up with swat teams arriving at your door.


17 posted on 06/05/2012 7:38:26 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: Islander7

Welcome to the USSA police state.

I visited the Statue of Liberty last year and couldn’t believe the way we were treated at security. This was AFTER the first round of security at Ellis Island. Unbelievable.


18 posted on 06/05/2012 7:38:57 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: Da Coyote

“Aurora is a suberb of Denver, which is a liberal bastion second only to the People’s Republic of Boulder as a place where illogic and idiocy abound.”

Interesting how these college towns, Boulder, Iowa City, Austin, Madison etc are bastians of useful leftist idiots...


19 posted on 06/05/2012 7:39:44 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Islander7

In ancient Rome it was illegal to shackle a citizen for any reason.


20 posted on 06/05/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Islander7

Sieg Heil - Our heroes strike again. You wan them to go home to their families at night don’t you? I’m sure that those people did something to deserve this. (do I really need the < sarcasm>


21 posted on 06/05/2012 7:47:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Islander7

The lawyers can afford younger mistresses and older whiskey now.


22 posted on 06/05/2012 7:48:06 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: yarddog

In a sane world, the Aurora police department would be holding bake sales to buy gas for their cruisers after a stunt like this.


23 posted on 06/05/2012 7:55:33 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Izzy Dunne
We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything.

No profiling of any kind occurred. That's the important thing.

24 posted on 06/05/2012 7:56:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Islander7
This was posted on Sunday and I'm giving the link to provide FReepers a glimpse into the mindset of a proported LEO who thinks this kind of action is perfectly fine.

See Motorist Detained...

25 posted on 06/05/2012 8:10:35 AM PDT by LSAggie
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To: Don Corleone

Abundance of Laws = Absence of Justice


26 posted on 06/05/2012 8:19:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
Illegal drugs, child pornography, illegal guns, burglary tools. They would have found them because they were who put them there. Why should they find them?

There is now no level that the police will not stoop. If you do not believe that, ask the poor guy in Stockton they beat to death just for kicks.

27 posted on 06/05/2012 8:26:12 AM PDT by sport
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To: Islander7

Why are local cops enforcing Federal crimes? Immigration laws are Federal, and they must not enforce them. Just tell the goobermint come take care of it.


28 posted on 06/05/2012 8:31:36 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: LSAggie
I skimmed the link you posted for later. That said, I have noticed that many people are now parroting the "police versus civilians" misnomer which has been promulgated in recent years by law enforcement to distance themselves from the public at large. Police are civilians. Only active military are not.
29 posted on 06/05/2012 8:34:30 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: GraceG

Let me get this right.... you suggest just going along with stupid cops wiping their rearend with the Constitution, just to not make waves?


30 posted on 06/05/2012 8:35:37 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: X-spurt

[ Let me get this right.... you suggest just going along with stupid cops wiping their rearend with the Constitution, just to not make waves? ]

Where did you get that from my response??? please have the decency to quote me when you respond to me, unless you are responding to someone else, then quote them. Thanks.


31 posted on 06/05/2012 8:46:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Islander7

and today, they should not have jobs.


32 posted on 06/05/2012 8:49:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: thefactor
This would pretty much depend on how ‘reliable’ this tip was in order to stop all those cars. If it was an eyewitness that would be enough, but an eyewitness should be able to provide SOME physical script of the perp. Weird scenario.


Perhaps a tracking device in the loot?

Not enough tracking resolution to the exact car, but good enough to get to the intersection...

33 posted on 06/05/2012 8:49:59 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Islander7
We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything

Sez Officer Einstein. What did they expect to find? A guy wearing a black and white horizontal stripped shirt and a black mask?

34 posted on 06/05/2012 8:50:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: az_gila
That would probably stand up in court, if it was the case. People around here are bashing the tactics, but what's more important: a short detainment of innocent individuals, or catching a violent criminal?

Would you give up 10 minutes of freedom in order to get this guy off the street?

35 posted on 06/05/2012 8:56:40 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: yarddog
In ancient Rome it was illegal to shackle a citizen for any reason.

Yes, but nailing them to crosses worked.

36 posted on 06/05/2012 8:56:40 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: SpaceBar

They may not be military but there is an prevalent Us-cops vs. citizens train if thought which is strong and getting stronger.

I know too many officers who have this mentality. As per example a friend of mine went through a roadblock and her tags were expired. One officer a new one wanted to write her up. The other officer said, go ahead but it will be taken care of before you get back to the station. Her husband is one of us. No ticket and she had the tags corrected by the end of the day.

I have relatives who are officers active and retired, same thing, us vs. citizens, although the retired relatives are not as stringent in taking the us vs. citizen attitude.

It’s really hurting the average Joe’s view of police as their friend and not to be trusted. From what I am hearing no one wants anything to do with the police good or bad unless absolutely necessary and not then even, they just want to be left alone.

Those citizens in denver should have asked for warrants as the police had no probably cause to pull over every single citizen and handcuff them. That was nothing more than a round up of any poor soul who happened to be in the area and then them having to produce their papers please, be handcuffed and then have to allow a search of their vehicle to prove their innocence.


37 posted on 06/05/2012 9:00:52 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: thefactor

It is about dignity.

You simply do not shackle innocent people in a real free society. Of course that passed us by long ago.


38 posted on 06/05/2012 9:00:52 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Islander7

Never consent to a search. NEVER. Learn phrases like: “Am Under arrest?” “Am I free to go?” “Do you have any reasonable suspicion or probably cause?”

In this situation, it is proper to “detain” people for 20-30 minutes. No cuffs, and if anyone flees that may be probably cause for arrest.

No searches without a warrant.

Take snapshots of a couple dozen people and text them to the bank witnesses for ID. That shouldn’t take 20 minutes.


39 posted on 06/05/2012 9:02:25 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: thefactor
nope - wth should i give up freedem when my taxes pay these nazi thugs to do their effin job

sorry jack - that doesnt float

40 posted on 06/05/2012 9:04:27 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: KarlInOhio

I strongly suspect the bank robbery was used as an impromptu excuse to actually do an operation that has been designed and planned for a while, probably one given to them by the DOJ or Homeland Security. I wish at least one motorist had said no just to test what plans the cops had for recalcitrant citizens. Of course that driver may have been quickly dead as a motivation for all the others to co-operate. The officers who would gun the citizen(s)down need only say,”I felt threatened.”


41 posted on 06/05/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by arthurus ( Read Henry hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson")
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To: GraceG
"So if you demanded than they provide as earch warrant I would have to wonder what “evidence” they would have “found”. Also would they have arrested you on the charge of “interfereing with a police investigation”..."

Pardon me, I realize in feminine interpretation, what a lady says can be taken in a variety of ways, but it sure looks like my question on your statement was pretty much hitting the nail on its head. Otherwise clarify, please.

42 posted on 06/05/2012 9:06:01 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Islander7

I avoid the Denver-Boulder metroplex like the plague because crap like this goes on up there all the time. On the other hand, there is a bit of schadenfreude at work here because the idiots who’s right were trampled on are the same lefties that vote the politicians in who come up with this crap.

Avoid cities whenever possible.


43 posted on 06/05/2012 9:13:02 AM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: Revelation 911
Some would say they were doing their job. Policing isn't an exact science. You deal with what you are given. Let's say they had this info about the robber's location and did nothing because they didn't want to detain possible innocent people. They would have caught flack for that.

Not being there, I cannot really comment on this. And by you referring to cops as 'nazi thugs' I don't think you and I are going to make much headway anyhow.

44 posted on 06/05/2012 9:21:37 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor
but what's more important: a short detainment of innocent individuals, or catching a violent criminal?

The fact that you're asking this shows that: You have no concept of what the Bill of Rights means and that you were born 60 years too late and in the wrong country

Would you give up 10 minutes of freedom in order to get this guy off the street?

Nope - not 10 seconds. Have you heard of William Blackstone? "Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer,"

45 posted on 06/05/2012 9:36:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Islander7

Police thuggery.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
William Pitt 1781


46 posted on 06/05/2012 9:47:31 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: Islander7

I’m sure they’d do the same thing for you if someone took your wallet.

Or, maybe not.


47 posted on 06/05/2012 9:50:29 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: GraceG

Search is invalid on its face. You cannot be handcuffed (detained) and then give “voluntary” permission to search. The statement is proof - they weren’t unhandcuffed UNTIL they gave permission to search. Coercive, null and void (and a tort under 1983).

Sue. Not for yourselves, but for anyone who may be subject to tactics like this in the future.

And I was in the police business for a long time.


48 posted on 06/05/2012 9:55:00 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: from occupied ga
You're missing the point. You usually do. If the cops had very good, reliable info that meets the reasonable suspicion standard (you don't need probable cause in this case), then they have the right to do what they did.

We don't know what their 'reliable' info was, however. If it was, in fact, a GPS device in the stolen money, then searching the immediate area would probably be a good search. We need all the info, but we don't have it. I, unlike you, do not jump to radical conclusions to fit my own views.

49 posted on 06/05/2012 10:04:37 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Beagle8U

And the ‘reliable tip’ did not include skin color?

How PC.


50 posted on 06/05/2012 10:05:06 AM PDT by 353FMG
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