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Open Job At Boston Law Firm Pays Just $10,000 Per Year
Boston Business Journal ^ | June 4,2012 | Lisa van der Pool

Posted on 06/05/2012 12:13:56 PM PDT by Hojczyk

The BBJ received an emailed tip this week from someone who says they’re an employed, Boston College Law School (BC Law) graduate. The tipster sent screen grabs of a job listing on BC Law’s career site. The post advertises a full-time associate position at a small Boston law firm, Gilbert & O’Bryan LLP, paying just $10,000 per year. (That’s $10K, it’s not a typo.)

Larry O’Bryan, one of the firm’s partners, said he’s received about 32 applications for the $10K per year job, since posting it one week ago. He said that while the pay is low, the lawyer who is eventually hired will gain valuable experience.

The job post reads: “Compensation is mainly based on percentage of work billed and collected … We expect an associate to earn $10,000 in compensation in the first year.”

Ouch.

Here’s what the BC grad has to say about the job post he found:

“I keep an eye on the Boston legal market for openings, because I work outside of MA, and hope to eventually return. Logging onto BC Law Symplicity today, I was shocked to see my alma mater is advertising a full-time job at a small Boston firm where the compensation is expected to be $10,000 per year. Assuming a 40 hour work week, 52 weeks per year, that’s less than $5 per hour by my calculations. To be exact, $4.81 per hour, which is a fraction of minimum wage. For a school that pays cafeteria workers a “living wage,” I find it astonishing that BC Law permits a listing for such an unconscionably low salary.”

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10k; bc; boston; lawyer

1 posted on 06/05/2012 12:14:01 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Must be part-time. That would take the hourly wage above minimum. Otherwise it would be patently illegal, unless it’s an internship.

Lincoln freed the slaves. He didn’t say anything about the interns.


2 posted on 06/05/2012 12:17:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Hojczyk

Definitely either intern or part time....or the story is full of crap. Either way, best of luck to who gets the job.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 12:18:57 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Hojczyk
Liberals are free with everyone else’s money but their own.
4 posted on 06/05/2012 12:18:59 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Hojczyk
Liberals are free with everyone else’s money but their own.
5 posted on 06/05/2012 12:18:59 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Hojczyk

” Larry O’Bryan, one of the firm’s partners, said he’s received about 32 applications for the $10K per year job “

I always say, if one is going to be a whore, one might as well go “whole hog”......

Maybe Gilbert & O’Bryan has fallen on hard times, and had their one and only ambulance repossessed ?


6 posted on 06/05/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Hojczyk
Think of it as "apprenticeship wages". It's a job and it allows you to claim work experience doing legal work at a law firm, which is better than having a big hole in your resume after graduation.

Either the lawyer will be good (in which case he'll get a raise) or he won't and will eventually quit for a more lucrative career at McDonalds.

7 posted on 06/05/2012 12:20:40 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Hojczyk

Or it could mean that there’s a glut of lawyers in this country and they can actually get someone at that salary.


8 posted on 06/05/2012 12:22:57 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
There is probably more to this story. From one of the quotes, it looks like the job is compensated on an "eat what you kill" basis. That is, the (lucky) new associate gets to keep say 33% of all the client billables he brings in.

The arrangement is not that uncommon, but the honesty (estimated compensation of $10K) is. New associates typically don't bring in many clients at all.

Law grads would probably do better just hanging out a solo shingle than paying 66% of what they bring in to the firm.

And I think there is an exception to minimum wage laws for commission-based compensation, and maybe for yearly salary.

All that said, the law market sucks at present. Only a fool would incur massive student loan debt to get a law degree in today's market.

9 posted on 06/05/2012 12:25:37 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Hojczyk

Get in the door and get the experience. The money will follow in time.

I knew of a guy who worked at a major video game studio, at his own suggestion, for free. He knew that after a few months, putting “worked at Bullfrog” would add tremendous weight to his resume (including if he stayed there, they’d hire him for good money). The point was to get in and get experience and prove himself.

Solve the chicken-and-egg “how do I get experience if I don’t have experience?” problem. Leverage the fact that, at that age and life status, you need very little money to live on.


10 posted on 06/05/2012 12:26:39 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Hojczyk

Supply and demand.


11 posted on 06/05/2012 12:27:28 PM PDT by henkster (Wanted: Politicians willing to say "No" to people. No experience required.)
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To: Hojczyk

In my industry you get what you pay for. Want a non oroductive unahppy employee? Underpay


12 posted on 06/05/2012 12:30:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
....unless it’s an internship...

Not even internships are that miserly. I live in York, PA, not exactly a high cost of living area. My former employer pays mechanical engineer interns (undergraduates, normally in the summer of their Junior year) $18/hour.

13 posted on 06/05/2012 12:34:52 PM PDT by O6ret
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To: Lizavetta
Too many lawyers. Way too many.
14 posted on 06/05/2012 12:38:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Martin Tell

“new associate gets to keep say 33% of all the client billables he brings in.”

Reminds me of this brilliant insight:

“The reason employers exist is they represent accumulations of capital. McDonald’s provides free grills, fryers, cash registers, storefronts, uncooked hamburgers, lettuce, buns and ketchup to every employee. Not every person wants to assemble all the capital equipment necessary to sell hamburgers; those that don’t can walk into a place with all the capital already provided and settle down to do what might be their optimal specialty, producing burgers. They don’t get as much return, but then they don’t have capital invested either.
The minimal capital investment, even for these supposed “borderless” technology jobs, is several thousand dollars. For every person in the world that doesn’t have several thousand dollars (which is to say, the majority of them), employers who provide capital equipment will continue to exist.”
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3238149

Likewise, the law firm in question is offering candidates free offices, staff, resources, advertising, brand name, etc. and a $10,000 stipend for a 66% (or whatever) cut of profits. Not a bad deal for someone starting out.


15 posted on 06/05/2012 12:39:03 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Hojczyk

Say billable per hour fees for a firm like are in the $200 range (it’s undoubtedly more). The employee could probably produce the $10k to cover their “salary” in about one week or less. This logic may be flawed but I doubt it.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 1:05:18 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Lizavetta
Post an ad looking to possibly hire a paralegal or legal secretary and you will probably get more attorney applicants than otherwise, unless you specify "no attorneys." The scary thing is that the legal bubble hasn't even begun to burst in earnest. Law schools are great cash cows for universities (over 200 now, I think) because they cost little more than any other department but generate high tution rates from two main groups:

1. People who watch too much TV and think they'll be on the path to easy riches.

2. Those who know their undergrad degree is worthless and are trying to avoid reality for another three years.
17 posted on 06/05/2012 1:11:07 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: PapaBear3625
Think of it as "apprenticeship wages". It's a job and it allows you to claim work experience doing legal work at a law firm, which is better than having a big hole in your resume after graduation.

Exactly, plus, at that pay level one can learn all about "entitlement law" as they apply for all sorts of free stuff. If a person can find a (very) cheap place to sleep - I maintain that a person can live just fine on a thousand dollars a month almost anywhere in the country (once you add in all the government goodies you will be eligible for).
18 posted on 06/05/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Trod Upon

Great post.

I think “attorney” has the widest salary range of most any profession.

If you’re a petroleum engineer, you probably make 80k to 120k.

If you’re a pediatrician MD, you probably make 150k to 200k.

It you’re a lawyer, you can be 10k or 2 million. I think there are a LOT at the lower end.


19 posted on 06/05/2012 1:18:07 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

Geesh!!!!

The job isn’t meant for anyone. It was posted because of EEOC laws.

It will go to a partners kid who just graduated law school.


20 posted on 06/05/2012 1:27:16 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: nascarnation

Re: “I think “attorney” has the widest salary range of most any profession.

If you’re a petroleum engineer, you probably make 80k to 120k.

If you’re a pediatrician MD, you probably make 150k to 200k.

It you’re a lawyer, you can be 10k or 2 million. I think there are a LOT at the lower end.”

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Agree — many lawyers make very little — I know a few in L.A., that’s right, L.A., who are scraping by. One guy can barely afford to pay an assistant so shares one, and office space. He takes piddling cases and makes do. He’s been doing this for many years. Doesn’t want to go with a bigger firm. He is somewhat unusual but as I said, there are others. Yes, there are WAY too many ‘lawyers.’


21 posted on 06/05/2012 1:33:46 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: ctdonath2
Leverage the fact that, at that age and life status, you need very little money to live on.

Yep, unless you're dating Sandra Fluke and have to buy birth control for her. /s

22 posted on 06/05/2012 1:38:53 PM PDT by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: Hojczyk

That’s why, after being laid off by a top Boston firm in Jan of 2008, along with the previous four hires, our son decided to join his new wife in the firm SHE set up after also being laid off. Now they both also do appellate work for the State.


23 posted on 06/05/2012 1:45:18 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lizavetta

so whaddaya call a ship full of lawyers sinking to the bottom of the ocean?

A start

bada boom


24 posted on 06/05/2012 3:00:44 PM PDT by scram2
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