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Teen’s truck décor sparks Confederate flag controversy in high school parking lot
wsoctv.com ^ | 5 June 2012 | Jason Stoogenke

Posted on 06/05/2012 1:35:17 PM PDT by smokingfrog

ROCKINGHAM, N.C. —

When Trey Gainey drove his pickup truck to school Monday morning, he didn’t expect to be met in the parking lot by school officials telling him to remove a Confederate flag flying from his antenna.

The Richmond Senior High School junior said he flies the flag every weekend, and decided to leave the flag on his truck on his last day of classes before finals start.

Gainey has a belt buckle that says “Redneck” and a horn that plays “Dixie,” so there is no mistaking how the teen identifies himself.

“It’s just my Southern heritage, you know. I was born and raised down here and [it] wasn’t nothing racist, just me,” he said.

But when he drove into the school’s parking lot, school officials made him take it down.

“I’m like, ‘What have I done wrong?’ you know,” Gainey said.

So, the teen told the school officials he would not remove the flag.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: dixie; heritage; heritagenothate; rapeofliberty; rebel
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1 posted on 06/05/2012 1:35:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

If it was a gay pride flag he’d be allowed to keep it up.


2 posted on 06/05/2012 1:37:16 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: smokingfrog

There is no known IQ on earth lower than that of a public school administrator.

Oops, forgot about Obamadork.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 1:38:08 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: smokingfrog
Don't throw away your Confederate money, boys -- the South shall rise again!


4 posted on 06/05/2012 1:40:21 PM PDT by twister881
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To: smokingfrog

I’m with the kid.

The SCOTUS has ruled that burning the US flag is free speec...how is this not equal?

Do they make the fags get rid of their rainbow flags, too?


5 posted on 06/05/2012 1:42:17 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

He could wear a dress and that would be fine.


6 posted on 06/05/2012 1:43:58 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Tzimisce
If it was a gay pride flag he’d be allowed to keep it up.

Or if he came to school dressed as a sex pervert:


7 posted on 06/05/2012 1:45:30 PM PDT by twister881
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To: smokingfrog

I am with the kid....


8 posted on 06/05/2012 1:46:15 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: smokingfrog

2 Convicted in Killing Over Confederate Flag

AP
Published: January 13, 1996

Two black teen-agers were found guilty of murder today and sentenced to life in prison in the shooting of a white man who was flying a Confederate flag on his pickup truck. A third black teen-ager was acquitted.

The two convicted men, Freddie Morrow and Damien Darden, both 18, were found guilty of murder, civil rights intimidation and the kidnapping of Michael Westerman, 19, who was killed on Jan. 14, 1995.

The men were convicted and sentenced by Judge Robert Wedemeyer, who presided at the nonjury trial.

A third suspect, Marcus Merriweather, 16, was found not guilty of the same charges. A fourth, Tony Andrews, had faced the same charges as the others but pleaded guilty and testified in return for two years' probation.

All four are from Guthrie, Ky., near the Tennessee line.

The prosecutors said the teen-agers had been angered by the Confederate banner flying from Mr. Westerman's pickup when it stopped at a convenience store.

According to testimony, the teen-agers rounded up two other cars and followed Mr. Westerman and his wife, Hannah, 21. Mr. Westerman, of Elkton, Ky., was shot when the car driven by Mr. Darden drew even with the truck. Mr. Morrow admitted firing the shots.

"What was done that day was stupid, stupid on the part of all these individuals," Mr. Morrow's lawyer, Carlton Lewis, said in closing arguments. "I submit to this court that Freddie Morrow is guilty of criminally negligent homicide and no other offense."

Three other defendants, accused of boxing in Mr. Westerman's truck, face trial later.


9 posted on 06/05/2012 1:49:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: smokingfrog


10 posted on 06/05/2012 1:55:20 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt)
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To: Iron Munro

I was imagining something a wee bit smaller than that...


11 posted on 06/05/2012 2:01:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

The ONLY issue is can he legally operate the vehicle on the highways with the flag?
If yes then the school has no right and no jurisdication to determine the flag has to be removed or the car does.
Bet they would not have a Mexican remove his flag....


12 posted on 06/05/2012 2:01:28 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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13 posted on 06/05/2012 2:01:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: smokingfrog

All he would have had to do is point out the “union made”
label on his flag, they would have let him keep it up.


14 posted on 06/05/2012 2:02:20 PM PDT by Fireone (Hit the STOP button!)
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To: smokingfrog
So, the teen told the school officials he would not remove the flag.

Great, Mr. Gainey!! The flag is a symbol of STATE's Rights...it is NOT about SLAVERY!!

15 posted on 06/05/2012 2:05:00 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: smokingfrog

Fly the 1st National. They won’t know what it is.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 2:23:17 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Also it’s the height of irony that the black grievance mongers don’t ever take note that it’s DEMOCRATS who dug in against freeing slaves and then for Jim Crow provisions, almost every single God-damned time. (And I mean it, God damned those times.) The reason that the grievance mongers give for hating Republicans? Because in the early civil rights era, the party briefly flirted with racial separatists in the South — that’s it. Forget what happened with Abraham Lincoln. Forget why Jim Crow wasn’t able to become even worse than it was. The GOP’s name must be mud!

Yes, slavery was the worst vice of the South and it served as a fatal moral weakness. But the South had virtues too, and the Abraham Lincoln cure from the North did not come without its own (if lesser) problems of greater socialistic philosophy. Why can’t we have freedom AND proper respect to all humans? Why does it have to be either/or?


17 posted on 06/05/2012 2:29:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Tzimisce

How about the red, black and green so-called “african-American flag”? Probably a whole parking lot of them would not be noticed.


18 posted on 06/05/2012 2:34:59 PM PDT by jmax (Be warned....I'm armed. Round is chambered, full magazine is inserted, safety is off.)
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To: smokingfrog
If the kid wants to worship those losers then perhaps he should be in Special Ed.
19 posted on 06/05/2012 2:44:41 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: smokingfrog

Right or wrong, schools must be permitted to control behavior that is disruptive or can cause violence. This means girls cannot wear micro-mini skirts and exposed midriff t-shirts, boys cannot cross dress, and nobody can have ridiculous hair styles or obscene t-shirts. And yes, right or wrong, the Confederate battle flag is seen by most black people as racially provocative.

Importantly the SCOTUS has never seen fit to lay ground rules for this and other perpetual school lawsuits, settling these issues permanently, so each and every year, these and related subjects end up in federal court, wasting huge amounts of money.

And the SCOTUS is to blame for this. Out of the approximately 8,000 cases appealed to them every year, of which they can only address a few dozen, they have seen fit to hear such cases like the infamous, “Bong Hits for Jesus” case, TWICE. This nonsense needs to end.

Either create federal guidelines, or just declare that such situations are no longer in the federal jurisdiction, and must be decided at the state level.


20 posted on 06/05/2012 2:47:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: starlifter

It’s because of modern Dixie that the conservative movement in the USA has what hope it has.


21 posted on 06/05/2012 2:50:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: smokingfrog; Revolting cat!
Next week they will insist that he wear the AIDS ribbon.

Ribbon bully, flag bully, it's all the same thing. Politically correct Thoughtcrimes from liberal elites.

22 posted on 06/05/2012 2:56:24 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Right or wrong, schools must be permitted to control behavior that is disruptive or can cause violence. This means girls cannot wear micro-mini skirts and exposed midriff t-shirts, boys cannot cross dress, and nobody can have ridiculous hair styles or obscene t-shirts. And yes, right or wrong, the Confederate battle flag is seen by most black people as racially provocative.

We disagree. Schools should be able to control behavior, including attire, in the classroom that disrupts instruction, but not the content of a political message outside the building. As for causing violence, the Confederate Battle Flag does not cause violence. Raising thugs to believe that thinking you are being disrespected justifies shooting someone causes violence. I would never fly that flag, but the boy was within his rights and should have been permitted to keep the flag. If its presence "causes" violence, that's what we have police and courts for, and those who react violently can learn to control themselves or spend their lives in prison. I'm tired of Americans being ordered to back down simply because some group of thugs is offended or might get violent. We should never, ever back down to union thugs, Islamic thugs, racist thugs, or any other thugs. They can deal with their hurt feelings or they can deal with the law (and off school property with armed citizens).

23 posted on 06/05/2012 3:01:05 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: ExCTCitizen
Ummm....actually it was lot about slavery (extract from the SC articles of secession):

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

24 posted on 06/05/2012 3:23:01 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

An “extract” not an “overview” — is this the best you can do.


25 posted on 06/05/2012 3:27:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And yes, right or wrong, the Confederate battle flag is seen by most black people as racially provocative.

That new creation needs to buried, being Southern cannot come to mean inferior in some manner, or racist, being Southern can not be outlawed and erased in some Orwellian fashion.

26 posted on 06/05/2012 3:28:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

“Fly the 1st National. They won’t know what it is”

I was just thinking this. Fly the National and they wouldn’t have a clue.


27 posted on 06/05/2012 3:33:35 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: ansel12

My opine is that a racial coming together over modern southernness is long overdue. Rednecks come in many colors. Black families in the USA were actually doing better and better in spite of being hobbled from full commerce by Jim Crow. Nobody laments the passing of Jim Crow, but what can be lamented is what GWB called the soft bigotry of lowered expectations. Ill thought out (however well intended) welfare schemes rewarded black families for being disunited and the average black family went (pardon the pun) south.


28 posted on 06/05/2012 3:34:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ill thought out (however well intended) welfare schemes rewarded black families for being disunited and the average black family went (pardon the pun) south.

It wasn't well-intentioned if the architects of the welfare state knew damn good and well what was going to happen.

As an Ass't Sec'y of Labor, Daniel Patrick Moynihan studied LBJ's proposed legislation and labelled it a "death warrant for the black family".

Nonetheless, LBJ decided that buying the black vote for the Democrat party was more important than any cultural problems it might create.

29 posted on 06/05/2012 3:55:54 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01

Well as an investment, LBJ sure got his money’s worth in votes. Black America virtually to a person turned its back on the GOP. There’s got to be something demeaning about that.


30 posted on 06/05/2012 4:08:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Pollster1; ansel12

The purpose of public school is to teach, not fight people’s brawls for them, or permit a student to agitate other students.

From the point of view of the law, students, who to a great extent are their parent’s legal chattels, should be stripped of their civil rights on school grounds, by schools acting ‘In Loco Parentis’, in place of parents.

This means no freedom of speech, no right to bear arms, no limits to search and seizure, no right to sponsored religious expression or favoritism, etc. All of which can be parceled out by the school, or not, *solely* at their discretion, and the laws of that state.

Students can be required to wear uniforms, which by implication infers that they can be prohibited from wearing articles of clothing as well.

Admittedly this is an ideal. Some schools will be more generous, but others can be very limiting. But with this as ground rules, the federal courts should stay out of it.

Bottom line: students can express themselves freely off campus as much as their parents will permit, but on campus, they do as they are told.


31 posted on 06/05/2012 4:35:12 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ansel12
"...right or wrong, the Confederate battle flag is seen by most black people as racially provocative."

That new creation needs to buried...

Ansel, trust me when I tell you that the negative reaction most blacks have to the Confederate battle flag isn't something new. The roots of that reaction stretch back beyond living memory.

Like most black people, my family has origins in the Deep South. I didn't grow up there, but my parents and grand parents did. For them, that flag was a symbol of fear and oppression that was all too real and ever present in their lives.

In my own time, I've watched as that fear and oppression faded from view. All that remains of it, is a shadowy boogeyman that race baiters use to guilt whites into submission. I can't tell you how many times I've told other blacks that the 'struggle' is over, and that 'we' won a long, long time ago.

That said, up until I was middle aged, the sight of the Confederate battle flag still evoked an involuntary reaction in me. It took a lot of aging, experience, and education for me to overcome it. Today, the sight of that flag is actually comforting to me, believe it or not. Such are the benefits of being a conservative person who seeks to live with the truth.

Alrighty. Just thought I'd add my two cents to that. Thanks.

32 posted on 06/05/2012 4:59:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: starlifter
If the kid wants to worship those losers then perhaps he should be in Special Ed.

You just insulted about half of the members of this forum, including me.

33 posted on 06/05/2012 5:01:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
You can't erase the South and their nation, dress codes are fine within reason, but this is purely to force the disappearance of the culture, the South.
34 posted on 06/05/2012 5:04:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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35 posted on 06/05/2012 5:16:22 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

The erasing of the South as a people is new, this Orwellian liberalism is new, this war against Southern heritage is new, this PC excuse making is new.

In true Orwellian fashion they want us to deny ourselves and the truth, how do you tell Southern people, that their South cannot be allowed among women and children or decent society?

That they are to be erased, and absorbed by the North in this new civil war that started only in recent decades by the usual left wing scum that searches out any and everything that doesn’t fit in with their vision of the future when America will all be good liberal, non-Christian, non-Southern, non-Texan New Yorkers with a little of LA tolerated.


36 posted on 06/05/2012 5:18:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

I agree that many liberals detest southern culture; however, this is one of those limited times where children are essentially minimum security prisoners.

Before I referred to them as to a great extent chattel of their parents. There is a thriving industry, seldom talked about, where parents can essentially have their problematic children, by whatever standard the parents use, institutionalized with bogus medical diagnoses, until the insurance runs out, the parents want to stop paying, or the children turn 18. At which point they will be declared as “fine”, and kicked out.

It is brutal and nasty. While the children are there, they have no right to a Habeus Corpus hearing before a judge, or to seek emancipation, and with parental agreement, they can be drugged or otherwise coerced including confinement to padded cells.

The level of bitter, burning hate in both directions is impressive. But that such a thing is legal in the US gives some indication of how serious parental authority can be.


37 posted on 06/05/2012 5:18:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: starlifter

The kid might serve in a modern American military unit that traces it’s proud heritage to it’s Civil War exploits.


38 posted on 06/05/2012 5:22:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12
The erasing of the South as a people is new, this Orwellian liberalism is new, this war against Southern heritage is new, this PC excuse making is new.

Well, I suppose the war against Southern heritage is new, as in, it really started at least 40 years ago.

During the civil rights era, all blacks were looking for, was fair and equitable treatment under our laws and our Constitution. They wanted an end to institutionalized racism and racial discrimination. I don't think any of them wanted to see the South burn again.

No, that was a goal of the godless Communists who infiltrated that movement, and they have pushed it to this very day.

39 posted on 06/05/2012 5:26:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Sometimes parents need to put their foot down and crack down on the left.

Those left wing unionized teachers and school administrators are clearly inculcating hate and racism where none should be, they need to be fixed, of course Wisconsin is voting on a little of that tonight.


40 posted on 06/05/2012 5:27:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Windflier

Bro’s under the skin!


41 posted on 06/05/2012 5:31:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Windflier
No, that was a goal of the godless Communists who infiltrated that movement, and they have pushed it to this very day.

Exactly, the war on the South stated at the same time as the war on Christmas, Christianity, Western Civilization, men in history and so on, it was when suddenly, rewriting the textbooks and removing all non-liberal symbols became all important to the left as they started remolding America, and reshaping the meaning of everything.

42 posted on 06/05/2012 5:32:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Bro’s under the skin!

You betcha. And skin is all it is.

My ancestry stretches back to three different continents, and I've got one ancestor (that I know of) who served with the Confederacy.

Thank goodness my mom and dad raised me to be an American first.

43 posted on 06/05/2012 5:37:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

There are still little groups of pale faces going around trumpeting their ignorant racial supremacy wrapped in Dixie regalia, and they catch all the attention whether or not they deserve it. (They probably like the bad publicity. It bolsters their bully creds.) Good on you for successfully telling your fears who’s boss. Our worst enemies are sometimes inside rather than outside.


44 posted on 06/05/2012 5:39:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: ansel12

We just gotta keep pushing back, Ansel. The left has had a good run in this country, but the majority of Americans are now on to their plans to remake our great nation in the mold of their utopian delusions.

It will never be, but we will have to remain vigilant and willing to fight back, to keep it from being so.


45 posted on 06/05/2012 5:41:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There are still little groups of pale faces going around trumpeting their ignorant racial supremacy wrapped in Dixie regalia, and they catch all the attention whether or not they deserve it.

True dat, but they're a vanishingly small minority of white Southerners. I'd almost be willing to bet that most of them aren't even from the South. I'm not worried about 'em.

Good on you for successfully telling your fears who’s boss. Our worst enemies are sometimes inside rather than outside.

Wisdom...

46 posted on 06/05/2012 5:44:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Pollster1

If there was a racially baited dust up on school property, guess who would get blamed for it. In a way it’s no-win. Out of consideration, our redneck pal really ought to have stowed the Dixie flag (especially if it was a humongous one like shown in the Channel 9 photo) before leaving the truck in the lot. But upon return, put it back on and hit that Dixie horn upon exit to the public street.


47 posted on 06/05/2012 5:46:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Black America virtually to a person turned its back on the GOP. There’s got to be something demeaning about that.

There is. Blacks of my grandparents' generation were almost universally Republican. All four of my grandparents voted R until their dying day, even as they watched their children and grandchildren being sucked into the Democrat fold.

The shift toward majority Democrat affiliation was hard on blacks of that generation. In time, they just didn't talk about politics with the young folks. They simply kept it private, and continued voting for the 'party of Lincoln', as their parents had.

In my day, the 8% (or so) of us who are staunchly conservative Republican, are openly reviled and spat upon by other blacks. Water, meet duck's back. My real brothers and sisters are those who believe in this country and the Founders' vision.

48 posted on 06/05/2012 5:51:54 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

It is to cry. What Simon Legree could not whip away, what the KKK could not intimidate, white liberals (hypocrites all) purloined with their honeyed words.


49 posted on 06/05/2012 6:03:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Should I and plenty other boys have been prevented from wearing black band T-shirts in high school because we may have been satanic?


50 posted on 06/05/2012 6:13:10 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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