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How Scott Walker won the Wisconsin recall election (29% of Union Memebers Voted for Walker)
CBS News ^ | June 6, 2012 | Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto

Posted on 06/06/2012 3:40:42 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

CBS News) Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker retained his seat in the election that sought to recall him from office, defeating his challenger Tom Barrett in this election (as he did in the 2010 governor's race). Walker won with strong support from Republicans, conservatives, Tea Party supporters and a majority of votes from independents.

Walker is the first governor in U.S. history to survive a recall election. Gov. Gray Davis of California was recalled in 2003, and in 1921, North Dakota's Governor Lynn Frazier of was ousted due to a recall.

The heated recall race began amid the controversy created when Walker released a state budget proposal that included limiting the collective bargaining rights for public union workers. In response, large demonstrations protesting Walker's plan took place at the state capital building which eventually led to a recall effort. Voters who turned out for this election narrowly supported Walker's handling of the collective bargaining issue: 52 percent approved, and 47 percent disapproved.

Scott Walker wins Wisconsin recall election

Voters were similarly divided when asked about the state law that limited the collective bargaining rights of government workers: 52 percent approved, and 47 percent disapproved.

As expected, those voters who approved of Walker's policies voted overwhelmingly for the governor. Opponents of his policies backed Barrett, the Democrat.

Wisconsin voters were also split in their views of unions for government workers. According to exit polls, 51 percent said they viewed these unions favorably; slightly fewer - 45 percent - held unfavorable opinions.

Walker promised to create 250,000 private-sector jobs in Wisconsin by 2015. According to an April analysis by Politifact, 5,900 jobs have been created since Walker took office. Still, 54 percent of those who voted in the recall election approved of how Walker has handled job creation, while 45 percent disapproved.

Wisconsin voters had strong opinions on the merit of recall elections. Sixty percent told exit pollsters that recall elections are only appropriate when there has been official misconduct, and another 10 percent think such elections are never appropriate. Just 27 percent of Wisconsin voters supported holding recall elections for any reason.

Minds were made up about this race long ago. Remarkably, just 8 percent of Wisconsin voters decided on their candidate in the last few days; more than nine in 10 made up their minds before that.

Can Romney capitalize on Scott Walker's win?

Looking Ahead to November

Both presidential candidates will be targeting the battleground state of Wisconsin this year. Among Wisconsin voters who went to the polls in the recall election, 51 percent said if the presidential election were held today they would vote for President Obama, while 44 percent would back Republican Mitt Romney. Still, with five months to go until the presidential election, it's hard to say what the November electorate in Wisconsin will look like this far out. Mr. Obama beat John McCain by 14 points in Wisconsin in 2008.

At this point, nearly all Barrett voters (92 percent) would support President Obama in the fall, while fewer - 76 percent- of Walker voters plan to back the Republican, Mitt Romney. Seventeen percent of Walker's supporters said if the presidential election were held today they would vote for President Obama.

Voters in Wisconsin also give President Obama the edge on improving the economy -- 42 percent said he would do a better job on that issue, compared to 38 percent who picked Romney. By a wider margin, voters said the president would do a better job helping the middle class (46 percent), while fewer (37 percent) gave Romney the upper hand on that.

The economy will surely be on the minds of Wisconsin voters come November. Thirty-six percent of voters in the recall election said their family's financial situation is worse compared to two years ago - nearly twice as many as said better. Forty-four percent said their family finances are the same.

Demographic Groups

Both candidates received support from similar types of voters as they did in 2010, when they first ran against each other. Women and lower income voters supported Barrett, while men and those with higher incomes voted for Walker.

Votes also fell along partisan lines: 94 percent of Republicans backed Walker, as did 86 percent of conservatives. Barrett received similarly strong support from Democrats (91 percent) and liberals (86 percent).

But independents gave an edge to Walker, giving him 54 percent of their votes compared to 45 percent for Barrett. That is similar to 2010, when Walker received the votes of 56 percent of independents, and Barrett 42 percent.

Thirty-six percent of voters said they are supporters of the Tea Party movement; and 93 percent of them also cast their ballot for Walker.

Turnout was up among one group of voters. Households with a union member comprised 33 percent of voters - up from 2010 and 2008, when 26 percent of voters said there was a union member in their household. Majorities of voters living in a union household (62 percent), and most union members themselves (71 percent), voted for Barrett.

Barrett also took most of the moderate vote: 44 percent of Wisconsin's voters described themselves as moderate, and Barrett received 54 percent of their support.

Both candidates retained most of their support from the 2010 governor's race. Ninety-four percent of those who said they voted for Barrett in 2010 voted for him again this year, and 94 percent of those who said they supported Walker two years ago voted for him this year as well.

Barrett's support was as much an anti-Walker vote it was a vote for Barrett himself. Fifty percent of Barrett's voters said they were voting for Barrett, but another 47 percent characterized their vote as against his opponent Scott Walker.

Among Walker's backers, 88 percent said they were voting for their candidate, not against his opponent.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: palin; unions; walker; walkerrecall; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
I thought all union members were thugs. How come more than a quarter of them voted for Walker? I wish more conservatives would try harder to differentiate between the members and the sorry political intimidators that run the show. Sarah Palin, the daughter of a public school teacher, knows the difference and directs her attack toward the political bosses, not the people who actually work for a living.
1 posted on 06/06/2012 3:40:57 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
29% of Union Members Voted for Walker

This is why the unions so want to end secret ballots ("Card Check").

It's also why the "exit polls" (a ridiculous term that makes them sound far more official than the media stunts they actually are) were so wrong. Who's going to publicly state that they voted against the unions when gangs of union thugs are standing around listening to every word?

2 posted on 06/06/2012 3:47:25 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“I thought all union members were thugs.”
IMO, it may be the folks who resented union dues deducted from their pay checks.


3 posted on 06/06/2012 3:48:03 AM PDT by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

In a forced union state you’re going to get a sizable number of conservative leaning union members. In Michigan, the Union Conservatives openly support right to work legislation and have even testified against union political fundraising on capitol hill.

http://www.unionconservatives.com/

I suspect that nearly every Michigan FReeper has been a union member at some point. I was AFL-CIO myself and hated it.


4 posted on 06/06/2012 3:48:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Union membership, by and large, are not thugs. But when the membership in the union becomes mandatory, as it was with many state and local government offices throughout Wisconsin, then the thugs get into control, and use the fear and intimidation tactics to keep the membership in line. The rare instances when an internal reform candidate attempts to challenge the established thugs, bad things happen to him, his family, and his reputation, and the unfortunate one is chased from what should have been a secure position. Not by management, but by supposed peers.

Truly a Wild West situation, where the toughest outlaw of all was made sheriff, to keep the other thugs in line, but also resist any attempts at reform by the non-thug populace.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 3:51:32 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Quite simple...public employees should have no better benefits and perks than those of their employers , We the People.


6 posted on 06/06/2012 3:53:01 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

It was positively annoying reading all of the “Unions are busing in members to cast fake votes” conspiracy posts yesterday.

People on our side still fear those goons and act like they are these supermen that can sway election! They are just loud-mouth apes, people!


7 posted on 06/06/2012 3:53:39 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I thought all union members were thugs. How come more than a quarter of them voted for Walker?

Remember the problem in Wisconsin and about 30 other states isn't unions. It's public-sector unions. And it's not about collective bargaining for wages. It's about the use of collective bargaining for perquisites like health care, pension. The public-sector unions are compensated at rates absurdly higher than private-sector employees with comparable experience. And the problem is that they are making a crapload of money off the taxpayers and jacking up future state liabilities for their pensions into unsupportable levels. Screw them.
8 posted on 06/06/2012 3:54:45 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: mo
Quite simple...public employees should have no better benefits and perks than those of their employers , We the People.

Quite true, but that doesn't make them thugs or change the fact that a lot of them work hard and do their best on the job and that many have very conservative instincts. When I worked at the US Postal Service in the 1980s, I'd say that most of my union coworkers I knew well were strong Reagan supporters.

9 posted on 06/06/2012 3:59:15 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: alloysteel

Lots of times, unions use hired guns rather than rank and file. When I was union, we never talked about politics in our shop. You also have to separate urban from rural members along the usual lines.

Personally I think we need to drive a wedge between public and private sector unions. After all, public sector unions cost jobs both union and non union. There are obvious problems with private sector unions but nothing like the public sector. Besides, I’m not so sure public sector unions are quite constitutional.


10 posted on 06/06/2012 4:02:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“Voters in Wisconsin also give President Obama the edge on improving the economy “
Say what?


11 posted on 06/06/2012 4:03:00 AM PDT by Fireone (Patriots, not politicians!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Politics of it is irrelevant....it’s a practical, financial reality. They cannot exist without a financially healthy private sector. Overpaying and over benefitting is a prescription for bankruptcy in any industry, anywhere, anytime.

The Laws of Economics...in the end are Laws of Mathematics and .....reality.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 4:06:20 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: cripplecreek

when I was working for the state, we had to sit through an initiation talk from a union rep. I pretended to listen and trashed the handouts asap


13 posted on 06/06/2012 4:07:13 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cripplecreek
Lots of times, unions use hired guns rather than rank and file. When I was union, we never talked about politics in our shop. You also have to separate urban from rural members along the usual lines.

Personally I think we need to drive a wedge between public and private sector unions. After all, public sector unions cost jobs both union and non union. There are obvious problems with private sector unions but nothing like the public sector. Besides, I’m not so sure public sector unions are quite constitutional.

I think a lot of the danger is lessened if the right to strike is not given to public employee unions. The three big postal unions, APWU, NALC and Mailhandlers, are not allowed to strike by law.

14 posted on 06/06/2012 4:08:27 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
As expected, those voters who approved of Walker's policies voted overwhelmingly for the governor. Opponents of his policies backed Barrett, the Democrat.

What a total surprise! I am totally amazed. Indeed, I am flabbergasted! In fact, I cannot remember a time when my flabber has ever been more gasted!

This idiot actually gets paid to write drivel like this?

15 posted on 06/06/2012 4:09:35 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Dang... 71% of Wisconsin union members are marxists... lots of work left to do.

LLS


16 posted on 06/06/2012 4:12:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: aruanan
One clear display of the problems with public sector unions.

Cop Union Boss Boasts of Beating Lawmakers With Flashlights: If Soldiers Don’t Have Unions, Why Do Police and Teachers?

"We intend to walk into Lansing after the summer break and ask the Republicans who have been so eagerly screwing us, 'who's next?' If we cannot earn their respect we will do what we have always done; hit it with a flashlight until we gain compliance."

The thing is that unions were supposed to protect workers from unfair and dangerous working conditions but when you work for the government who is supposed to enforce our labor laws, the union becomes redundant and needs to justify their existence in other ways.

One thing that bothers me is the potential danger of a system where you have union cops, union judges, and union prison guards. What is to prevent them from using their collective power to justify their jobs? After all, Jenny Granholm was importing inmates from California for no other reason than to keep union guards employed.
17 posted on 06/06/2012 4:15:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Further proof that Obama has lost the private sector union vote.

First, Obama has demonstrated, again, that he is a failed leader because he would not come to Wisconsin.

Second, Obama’s stimulus, for “shovel-ready” jobs for unions, ended up going to public-sector unions while private-sector unions got few projects.

Lastly, Obama’s economy has been abysmal for private-sector unions with their membership declining even further.

Any private-sector union that backs Obama after this debacle risks a revolt from its membership.


18 posted on 06/06/2012 4:16:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Dang... 71% of Wisconsin union members are marxists... lots of work left to do.

But considering that 100% of them were being bombarded with propaganda that a vote for Walker was a vote for their own ruination, I find the results heartening. We need to value everybody who supports the cause. Anybody who votes against their generally accepted self-interest for the common good is a hero and patriot in my book, even public sector union members.

19 posted on 06/06/2012 4:21:17 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

You’re looking at things from the perspective of a postal worker which isn’t quite the same as a teacher, cop, or fireman. Kind of a strange no man’s land that isn’t quite public and isn’t quite private.

Personally I think the postal service and their unions would be better off if they were let off the government leash.


20 posted on 06/06/2012 4:33:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Walker promised to create 250,000 private-sector jobs in Wisconsin by 2015. According to an April analysis by Politifact, 5,900 jobs have been created since Walker took office. Still, 54 percent of those who voted in the recall election approved of how Walker has handled job creation, while 45 percent disapproved.

What are the democrats screeching about. He still has three years to accomplish that feat.


21 posted on 06/06/2012 4:39:15 AM PDT by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: cripplecreek
I think the USPS could do surprisingly well if freed from the leash.

The public unionization that scares me the most is the teaching profession. Those people who shape the next generation are bombarded with some of the worst immoral Marxist agitprop of all.

22 posted on 06/06/2012 4:39:38 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: chainsaw

Considering the amount of national job creation under Mr. Obama’s watch, 5,900 in a single state sounds pretty good.


23 posted on 06/06/2012 4:41:30 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Voters in Wisconsin also give President Obama the edge on improving the economy -- 42 percent said he would do a better job on that issue, compared to 38 percent who picked Romney.

Looks as if it's going to take a bit longer until these folks see the reality of obama. They are still buying the HOPE thing.

24 posted on 06/06/2012 4:42:05 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
When I worked at the US Postal Service in the 1980s, I'd say that most of my union coworkers I knew well were strong Reagan supporters.

I dare say that most of today's USPS workers couldn't even spell 'Reagan.'

25 posted on 06/06/2012 4:44:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: N. Theknow
This idiot actually gets paid to write drivel like this?

Those lines from the article would make the author's "journalism" professor very happy.

26 posted on 06/06/2012 4:54:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"I thought all union members were thugs." hint of /s

Point well taken and correct. Myself a 7 year Teamster, in a bad a** local. At least half held to "conservative" values, some even further right.

Of course that made us a contradiction in our circle of conservative acquaintances. Left a bitter taste in my Father's mouth.

Have no doubt will leave a bitter taste in some readers here

27 posted on 06/06/2012 4:56:12 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Fox says union households went for Walker by 38%.


28 posted on 06/06/2012 5:05:30 AM PDT by kenmcg (How)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

5,900 in a single state sounds pretty good.

Ya, and Obana will try to take credit for that.


29 posted on 06/06/2012 5:05:46 AM PDT by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
My intent was not to demean but to point out that much more must be done to save the Republic. Wisconsin was one of a very few bright spots for those that love this Republic. I did not mean to denigrate the outcome there... just that 71% marxists is still WAY too high.

LLS

30 posted on 06/06/2012 5:14:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: chainsaw

“What are the democrats screeching about. He still has three years to accomplish that feat.”

I heard Schultz and Madcow talking about this last night. Schultz sounded like Donald Duck saying how Walkwer promised 250,000 jobs and the state hasn’t seen it.


31 posted on 06/06/2012 5:19:18 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: saywhatagain

The conservative blind spot on conservative union members is a serious failing on the part of the GOP. After all, the heart of the Reagan democrats were Michigan union members.

It irritated the hell out of me that Mitt Romney attacked Rick Santorum for openly appealing to union members in Michigan. At least he didn’t try to hide it like Romney who had people going door to door in Detroit doing exactly the same. It further irritated me to see Rick Snyder whining about Santorum’s “dirty tricks” when Snyder himself was nominated and elected largely by union members.


32 posted on 06/06/2012 5:42:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: duckman
Exhibit A:

The number of public union members who declined to pay dues money when that money was no longer being forcible deducted from their paychecks.

No further questions.

33 posted on 06/06/2012 5:52:52 AM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Right To Work States Compared With 2008 Presidential Election Results


34 posted on 06/06/2012 6:40:36 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Public employee Unions present a serious conflict of interest and the public schools have suffered the most from that conflict. Children don’t vote and their parents have been demonized by the unions.


35 posted on 06/06/2012 7:35:30 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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