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Report says Democrat takes last Senate seat (Wisconsin Senate can reconvene early...
Leader-Telegram ^ | 6/6/2012 | Staff

Posted on 06/06/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Democrats appeared to have assumed control of the state Senate with results posted early Wednesday showing former Sen. John Lehman (D-Racine) in a tight race defeating incumbent Van Wanggard, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is reporting...

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TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012; democrats; elections; johnlehman; lehman; scottwalker; walker; wi2012
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The National Review has reported that the state Senate can reconvene early - but cannot legislate.

Kudos to Scott Walker for an impressive victory, but this could spell trouble for him. Democrats, (with a soon-to-be ever-present MSM at the WI state capitol), will put up symbolic votes that will basically ram home statement after statement and/or question after question asking Walker if he will come back to the table with Dems over collecting bargaining rights and whether or not he ran on doing away with collecting bargaining rights - and if not, why he went ahead and pushed for them anyway. This is going to get nasty, yet will be incredibly interesting, as Lehman's 779 vote victory is probably enough that it won't be undone with a recount.

[Pulling up a chair and getting the coke and popcorn...]

1 posted on 06/06/2012 8:52:21 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They can vote free skittle-crapping unicorns for everyone if the want. The House doesn’t have to take up any of it; it gets the “mokusatsu” treatment.


2 posted on 06/06/2012 8:55:15 AM PDT by henkster (Wanted: Politicians willing to say "No" to people. No experience required.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
asking Walker if he will come back to the table with Dems over collecting bargaining rights

Answer: Nuts!

3 posted on 06/06/2012 8:55:45 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Let the people of WI watch and learn. And learn what the extortionist unions have done, and continue to do, to American industry (or what is left of it...).


4 posted on 06/06/2012 8:55:49 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

Sorry. Precious little sleep last night watching one cable news show after another. This link works...

http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/daily_updates/article-8f66ae7c-afd8-11e1-86ed-0019bb2963f4.html


5 posted on 06/06/2012 8:55:49 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
but this could spell trouble for him

He's always turned trouble into opportunity. No reason he'll change tactic now.

6 posted on 06/06/2012 8:55:56 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Time to demand a recall election based upon voter fraud.


7 posted on 06/06/2012 8:56:59 AM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I hope the WI GOP has their attorneys all over that Racine office today and can prove the fraud. I hope they were smart enough to take pictures of the MI and IL busses that came in.


8 posted on 06/06/2012 8:59:23 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (GOV. WALKER WINS AGAIN!!! MUSIC TO MY EARS!!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The returns came in very slow for that district. The slower they come in, relative to the other parts of the state, the more suspicious. How many same day registrations? If I were the head Dem and knew the race wasn’t polling well statewide and knew one seat would change the majority in the Senate I would throw extra weight in the closest district. I bet there is cheating.


9 posted on 06/06/2012 9:00:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: henkster

I don’t think you get the ramifications of this.

1.) They will be repeatedely asking inquiries (from the Senate floor) into supposed robo calls made by Republicans that supposedly said that those who signed the recall petition did not have to go and vote in the recall.

2.) They will bash Walker’s poll numbers down by fulminating from the Senate floor, which they were not able to do before, asking why he went ahead with doing away with collecting bargaining rights and asking him to prove just when he verbally said that he was running on this.

It is going to be messy...


10 posted on 06/06/2012 9:01:18 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: henkster

If they try to reconvene the GOP senators should leave for Indiana..../sarc


11 posted on 06/06/2012 9:03:32 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Problem is, is that Dems will set out to make Walker look as if he ran on one thing, but went for another thing once he and the GOP took power, attempting to make him look like an uber liar. And an ever-presnt fawning media at the state capitol will eat it up and will help Dems them with this.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 9:04:11 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
And all the more reason to “mokusatsu” it. Or in the alternative, just point out that the robocalls were going out to Daffy Duck and all the other fictitious signers of of the petitions.
13 posted on 06/06/2012 9:05:09 AM PDT by henkster (Wanted: Politicians willing to say "No" to people. No experience required.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No, you’re buying into the media spin. The Democrats in the state Senate cannot over turn the union collective bargaining changes on their own.

Just relax for a bit and move on to getting rid of Obama. Think of what a huge loss this was for Obama. Obama and the Democrats thought that they were on their way to creating a built in permanent voting block in the SEIU, but if the SEIU has no power to negotiate benefits (like contraception and abortion coverage), the SEIU will be impotent and Obama, along with them.


14 posted on 06/06/2012 9:05:11 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Rep senators just need to RE-Fleebag ‘em..dont show up


15 posted on 06/06/2012 9:06:59 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

this result is very fishy. results were incredibly slow in this county relative to the whole state and seemingly do not correlate the walker/barrett totals. it may be that they staked out this county to steal a razor thin election, knowing that this senate seat was their best bet.

i hope walker is on this. he needs the senate.


16 posted on 06/06/2012 9:07:10 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: henkster

I don’t know if the media outlets were lying, but some of the calls were returned and supposedly went to Republicansw filed offices.

Numbers can be traced and I hope that the state GOP wasn’t dumb enough to try this. This is the last thing that they and the GOP need. /shakes head... Just when things were going good... Sigh.


17 posted on 06/06/2012 9:08:09 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The senate can only be in session as permitted by law.

By law they can’t go into session until January 2013, after the fall election when half of them will have to run to keep their office.


18 posted on 06/06/2012 9:08:57 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
2010 - District 21 [State Sen. undervotes - 1,045]
Wanggaard 32036
Lehman 28930

Walker 40813
Barrett 31333

2012 - District 21 [State Sen. undervotes - 1,127]
Wanggaard 35476
Lehman 36255

Walker 45480
Barrett 40191

Fraud on its face. Someone on the big live thread yesterday said that Racine would be the bus-in target, and they were right.

19 posted on 06/06/2012 9:09:11 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Eva

I’m buying into the media spin?

Nope, you are just creating spin as I never said that Dems in the State senate can overturn collecting bargaining rights.

As I posted up above, Senate Dems CANNOT legislate even though they can reconvener early. as I said, Nat. Review reported on this.

All they can do is symbolically fulminate.


20 posted on 06/06/2012 9:10:59 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Wisconsinlady
Not familiar with the political landscape of your fine State. Just wondering here...Gov. Walker took Racine County 53-47. Yet Lehman (Democrat) beat the Republican, Wanggaard in the same general are by 51-49. Total of 779 votes last I checked Sec. of State web page.

So, my Q for you or anyone from WI is thus:Does it not seem odd these vote totals are reversed? Just seems strange to me. Perhaps union "influence" did help the Demwit win?

21 posted on 06/06/2012 9:12:11 AM PDT by donozark (The 7th Wisconsin had more men killed in battle than any other Union Regiment.)
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To: Notwithstanding

National Review said that they can reconvene early.

They are a trustworthy news source...


22 posted on 06/06/2012 9:12:11 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Dude, you need to find your pair. And figure out what they’re used for.


23 posted on 06/06/2012 9:14:26 AM PDT by Steve_Stifler
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The democrats should’ve taken a lesson from the election, but won’t. They’ll continue to fight a popular & effective governor using the same tired hyperbole & tactics and will lose the senate again in the next election.


24 posted on 06/06/2012 9:15:16 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

So, who’s going to pay attention? Are they going to say anything new that they haven’t already blasted across the entire state for the past 14 months with their $60 million union-financed megaphone?

If they want to relive this unpopular, distasteful and disruptive recall nightmare for the next five months, be my guest.


25 posted on 06/06/2012 9:16:41 AM PDT by kevao
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To: shove_it

>>Time to demand a recall election based upon voter fraud.<<

Exactly. I would bet dollars to donuts that’s where the MI buses ended up.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 9:17:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Problem is, is that Dems will set out to make Walker look as if he ran on one thing, but went for another thing once he and the GOP took power, attempting to make him look like an uber liar.

What do you think they've been doing since February 2011? Last night, WI voters showed they're not stupid enough to buy that BS.

27 posted on 06/06/2012 9:21:31 AM PDT by kevao
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To: StAnDeliver

Check out LaCrosse county too.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

I can find no reason why this county would flip, except that perhaps it’s where the Chicago buses ended up.


28 posted on 06/06/2012 9:28:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Report says Democrat takes last Senate seat

Those busloads of voters from Illinois and Michigan have won the day!


29 posted on 06/06/2012 9:32:49 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt)
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To: Iron Munro

The GOP better fight this tooth and nail.


30 posted on 06/06/2012 9:33:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: donozark

Answer below that I received from CG on this site when I asked basically the same questions. All the areas were in at 99% very quickly, but the Racine area held at 22% for hours at a time. then all of a sudden everything came in.

“What you saw was an election being stolen. When certain areas withhold vote counts they are waiting for the more republican areas to report so they know how many votes they need to manufacture. It was obvious very early on in the evening that is what they were going to do. And then there was the “power outage”. Remember the mysterious power outrage during Harry Reid’s election?

This withholding of ballot counts is a well-known method of cheating. This was their plan B. They lost the governorship but they were going to take control of the senate as a consolation prize.

If the repubs let this stand they are bigger fools than I thought they were. They should have had boots on the ground down there watching for this type of nonsense.”


31 posted on 06/06/2012 9:35:56 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (GOV. WALKER WINS AGAIN!!! MUSIC TO MY EARS!!!)
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To: skeeter

I agree. They will continue to whine and complain. They do not yet understand the people are sick of them and their rhetoric.


32 posted on 06/06/2012 9:36:44 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Barry Soetoro advises not to snort the popcorn.


33 posted on 06/06/2012 9:44:22 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Da Bro' Gotsta Go!)
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To: dfwgator
The GOP better fight this tooth and nail.

The GOP taking it to the Rats on this would fire up the whole country nearly as much as the Walker win.
People are tired of this Rat crap every election.

34 posted on 06/06/2012 9:44:55 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: StAnDeliver

so.. in district 21 85,671 total votes were cast for goverenor, with Walker(r) getting 5,000 more...

but only 71,731 votes were cast for state senator? and Lehman (D) got 750 more?

How do 11,000 walker supporters forget to vote for senator?


35 posted on 06/06/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Van Wanggard wasn’t a strong incumbent and Racine is a wobbly district. With Walker in position and R control of the House, this has very limited importance. Walker will play rope-a-dope with the Senate fleebaggers, but he won’t give ‘em anything. It will actually be good for him because he’ll be able to show “reaching across” and all that rot, while nothing will change. WI really doesn’t need a lot in the way of new legislation (other than voter ID), they need time for Walkers reforms to continue to work and for his base of support to grow even stronger.


36 posted on 06/06/2012 9:47:55 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
All they can do is symbolically fulminate.

Exactly. Who cares? The people have spoken.

37 posted on 06/06/2012 9:50:46 AM PDT by Skulllspitter
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Big loss for barry kardashian and the rats in Wisconsin. They tried the lies and it didnt work, it loooks like the electorate are tired of the democrat games


38 posted on 06/06/2012 9:54:40 AM PDT by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: Wiser now

My understanding is that the legislature is out of session until after the next election. Redistricting is suppose to give the GOP a two seat advantage. The Dems can reconvene the Senate and make noise, but after the last 15 months does anyone think it will make a difference.

The State just voted to uphold the collective bargaining changes. That deal is done and will not be revisited unless the Dems can win the governorship back and the legislature.


39 posted on 06/06/2012 9:58:13 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Wisconsinlady
If the repubs let this stand they are bigger fools than I thought they were. They should have had boots on the ground down there watching for this type of nonsense.”

And be ready for battle. Remember the poll watcher in Philly that reported the voting machines having votes on them before the polls opened and wouldn't let the polls be opened until the machines were cleared.

When his shift ended he was followed out to the parking lot by a group of union thugs. That's the last I heard of him.

40 posted on 06/06/2012 10:03:48 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yeah, the dims should continue their tantrum. That will win over the voters.

SARC!


41 posted on 06/06/2012 10:08:33 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: netmilsmom

Huge union base in the City of Racine. Outside Milwaukee and Madison, it’s one of the most reliable Dem bases.


42 posted on 06/06/2012 10:13:48 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Mr. K

The 21st Senate District is wholly within but smaller than Racine County; it does not include the Town (Township) of Burlington or Wards 1-7 of the Town of Waterford, both of which are in Racine County. This is one explanation why the numbers do not jibe.

This being said, the city of Racine is around 18 miles north of the Illinois-Wisconsin border. One needs to check the “same day registration” numbers to see whether the bus convoys happened to stop in Racine. Also, one of the explanations for the slow roll by the Racine city elections people was that they had a large number of absentee ballots to process. One has to wonder where the ballot stuffing was an “inside job”.

The whole darn thing smells to high heaven. If I were the GOP, I might start an investigation into this like, right now, get a court order to enjoin anyone from swearing the ‘Rat “winner” Lehman into office, and try to preserve Van Wanggaard’s status as the sitting state senator for as long as possible.


43 posted on 06/06/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by nd76
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To: Wisconsinlady
Thank you! My understanding is if vote difference is less than one percent the State pays for a recount. This election is slightly over one percent so Wanggaard pays I guess.

But there does seem to be some discrepancies on the face of this. Just hope Republicans don't let Demwits slide, as they oft times do!

44 posted on 06/06/2012 10:15:49 AM PDT by donozark (The 7th Wisconsin had more men killed in battle than any other Union Regiment.)
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To: Notwithstanding

BTTT


45 posted on 06/06/2012 10:59:00 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("There is no limit to the depravity of the liberal mind" ~ Rush Limbaugh 5/23/12)
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To: StAnDeliver
"Fraud on its face. Someone on the big live thread yesterday said that Racine would be the bus-in target, and they were right."

bttt

46 posted on 06/06/2012 11:00:39 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("There is no limit to the depravity of the liberal mind" ~ Rush Limbaugh 5/23/12)
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To: StAnDeliver; Laissez-faire capitalist; Mr. K; netmilsmom; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; ...

StAnDeliver, the Walker/Barrett numbers you are providing are for Racine County as a whole, not for Senate District 21 (which contains most, but not all, of Racine County). That’s why it looks like 10,000 Walker voters forgot to vote for Wanggaard. In reality, Walker probably beat Barrett by a very small margin in SD 21 (the portions of Racine County excluded from SD 21 are heavily Republican), and enough Walker voters pulled the lever for the Democrat Lehman or left the senate question blank for Lehman to win by a tiny margin.

Racine County, like LaCrosse County in the western part of the state, is exactly the kind of blue-collar, “Reagan Democrat” county that I feared would give Walker less support than it did in 2010. Walker’s vote percentage dropped from 56% to 53% in Racine (looking at the county as a whole, not just the portion within SD 21) and from 49% to 47.5% in LaCrosse, and neither drop seems to me to be all that suspicious.

Did Democrats cheat by busing people in from Chicago to Racine (and/or from southern Minnesota to LaCrosse)? There was probably some of that, given the fact that Democrats usually do stuff like that and enforcement of Wisconsin’s voter ID law was enjoined by a liberal judge. Did Democrat cheating provide the margin of victory for Lehman? Hard to say, although Lehman won by such a small number of votes (less than 800) that it’s certainly possible. But the election results in Racine County and SD 21 (much less in LaCrosse County) do *not* establish a prima facie case of voter fraud, or even provide evidence of a possible fraud. The results in SD 21 are in line with what I would have expected, although I was certainly hoping for a Waggaard victory (and as late as last night thought that Waggaard might barely hold on—of course, I didn’t know that the City of Racine had so many precincts still out).


47 posted on 06/06/2012 11:01:18 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: donozark; Wisconsinlady

See my post number 47. Not all of Racine County is in Senate District 21, and there probably wasn’t a very big discrepancy between the Walker and Wanggaard votes within SD 21.


48 posted on 06/06/2012 11:06:42 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: ALPAPilot

My thought would be that as the Senate is out of session, the replacement for the recalled member can’t be sworn in to change the Senate majority until it reconvienes. The old majority is still in place and able to fight an early session until such time as the next election which they claim may add other R members anyway.

Is this incorrect?


49 posted on 06/06/2012 11:08:50 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The State of Wisconsin has not yet declared a winner in this race. The demographics do not work. Either the Dems marched in dead or union goons from out of state, or......more likely, the Democrat election dirt bags lost some votes. Under normal voting patterns, there is no way the REpublican could have lost this race. There is no objective and reasonable explanation for the Dem win!!! time for a little fact digging.

However.....even if they uphold the election outcome, it means nothing politically!!! Methinks a troll is at work!!! I guess the Dems did not learn a thing about the beating they took last night. But....if you folks think the Wisconsin beating was bad....wait until you see what happens to Obama and the Democrat Party come November 6, 2012. It will make the Wisconsin recall look like a Sunday school picnic!!!

If the Republican Party has any brains at all, it will highlight this race in Racine county across the country, so “all” American voters can see the low life Democrats doing their illegal dirty work to steal elections. End of story!!!


50 posted on 06/06/2012 11:09:05 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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