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JIM GRANT: Today's Market Rally Really Was About The Scott Walker Victory In Wisconsin Last Night
Business Insider ^ | 06/06/2012 | Mamta Badkar and Joe Weisenthal

Posted on 06/06/2012 2:40:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Earlier we joked that some people thought today's rally was the result of the election outcome in Wisconsin last night.

Well, serious people think so too.

James Grant, of Grant's Interest Rate Observer, was just on CNBC, and this is what he told Maria Bartiromo:

"...Today i think part of the source of the levitation was the Scott Walker triumph in Wisconsin."

He explained:

"People maybe are discounting the prospects of a return to something like freer if not free markets come the Fall if Romney or GOP decisively wins."

Grant also said he expects a third round of quantitative easing and reiterated that the long-term implications of QE3 are bad. He said the "world has 2008 on it's brain" and the awful memories of 2007 -2009 have the global economy preparing for a replay:

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: jimgrant; scottwalker; stockmarket; stockmarketbyparty; wisconsin
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1 posted on 06/06/2012 2:41:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

QE3 cold well send the economy back to the crash of 1929.


2 posted on 06/06/2012 2:44:15 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

QE3 could well send the economy back to the crash of 1929.


3 posted on 06/06/2012 2:44:30 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

No one is saying it, but I totally agree.


4 posted on 06/06/2012 2:47:12 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind
The MSM are desperately hoping nobody will put two and two together again, LOL.
5 posted on 06/06/2012 2:52:18 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m still waiting for SCOTUS to strike down ObamaCare. If that happens, the markets will take off. If it looks like Romney will win in November, the economy will blast off (and Obozo will try to claim credit for it).


6 posted on 06/06/2012 2:58:18 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw the interview. I couldn’t believe my eyes and ears — but grateful. Maria Bartoromo picked up on the theme and said that as it becomes clearer there will be a GOP victory that the markets could continue to rally!


7 posted on 06/06/2012 3:01:40 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource
"Maria Bartoromo picked up on the theme and said that as it becomes clearer there will be a GOP victory that the markets could continue to rally!"

And then Bambi will claim credit, the media will give him full credit, and he will have a better chance of squeaking out a victory as the sheeple believe it is his policies causing the rally.....

8 posted on 06/06/2012 3:05:12 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He knows better than that. It was a bear market short-covering rally due to too much pessimism on the option side. But by all means believe whatever suits your fancy. Presidential elections do tend to have run-ups regardless of the probable victor.


9 posted on 06/06/2012 3:16:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: SeekAndFind; GOPJ; stephenjohnbanker; rmlew; dennisw; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; potlatch; ...
Today's market rally really was about the Scott Walker victory in Wisconsin last night.

I hinted at the exact same thought on another FR thread earlier this morning.

Have any of the business stories in the MSM tied the rally to Walker's victory? I haven't seen any yet.

But the business MSM wouldn't stop going on ad nauseum about Facebook two weeks ago. As usual, the MSM has perverted priorities.

10 posted on 06/06/2012 3:18:29 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Partial Correction on my post # 10:

I now see that the tie-in of the rally to the Walker victory was discussed by a couple of brave folks on CNBC.

Well, you can bet that the effect of the presidential race on the markets still won't be discussed in the business MSM anywhere near as much as Facebook was.

11 posted on 06/06/2012 3:25:46 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s plug in some numbers and see what patterns develop.

November 1992: Clinton elected President - Dow = 3240

November 1994: Republicans retake control of the House and Senate - Dow = 3807

June 2001: Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords gives control of the Senate to the Democrats - Dow = 10,990

November 2002: Republicans retake Senate - Dow = 8,537

November 2006: Democrats retake control of House & Senate - Dow = 12,342

November 2010: Democrats lose control of House - Dow = 11,092

Today, a year and a half since the Democrats lost control of the House - Dow = 12,415

Let’s review. During the first two years of Clinton, while the Democrats retained control of the House and Senate, the Dow increased but was relatively flat.

In 1994, the Republicans took control of the House and Senate. The Dow exploded, increasing at an annual rate of almost 18% per year for the next 6 & 1/2 years, the entire period while the Republicans remained in control.

In June 2001, the Democrats gained control of the Senate. The Dow then plunged at an annual rate of almost -16% until November 2002, when the Republicans regained control of the Senate.

From November 2002, while the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, until November 2006, when the Democrats regained control of both the House and the Senate, the Dow increased at a rate of over 20% per year.

In November 2006, the Democrats regained control of both the House and Senate. During the first two years of Democrat control (from November 2006 to November 2008), the Dow plunged at an annual rate of almost -15% per year. After four years of Democrat control of both houses of Congress, the Dow was down 10% from where it was before the Democrats took control.

In the year and a half since the Democrats lost control of the House, the Dow has gained 12% and is finally back to where it was in 2006, when the Democrats took control of Congress.

Anyone else notice a pattern here?

Republican Control = Bull Market and Prosperity

Democrat Control = Bear Market and Depression

It is not hard to do the math.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 3:26:54 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: justiceseeker93; vette6387; flat; unkus; gonzo; MinuteGal; rodguy911; FlingWingFlyer; Yehuda; ...

Just imagine the market after Obama is defeated in November and the GOP takes the Senate and House. Anyone doubt that it will go up???


13 posted on 06/06/2012 3:29:16 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: steve86
Presidential elections do tend to have run-ups regardless of the probable victor.

Really? That certainly didn't hold true for the period around Obama's election in 2008.

14 posted on 06/06/2012 3:30:25 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Yes, it is true that over many elections there tends to be a turn-up mid June into the election. Viewed a chart just the other day showing the four year seasonal component with the crest centered prior to election day. I’m not so sure it’s going to happen this year either.


15 posted on 06/06/2012 3:46:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; ntnychik; dixiechick2000

IMAGINE THE MARKET AFTER OBAMA IS DEFEATED IN NOVEMBER

16 posted on 06/06/2012 3:47:01 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have immense respect for Jim Grant, but I think he is incorrect, or only partially correct on this point.

The markets had reached very clear technical levels right at 200 MA (moving averages) and the Euro had cratered, sending the dollar very high.


17 posted on 06/06/2012 3:49:18 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
The Dow exploded, increasing at an annual rate of almost 18% per year for the next 6 & 1/2 years

Republicans tend to blow bubbles. Not good. They pop and many get hurt. Slow, steady growth is much better, in stocks, housing and everything else.

18 posted on 06/06/2012 3:52:10 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

There can be many reasons for an event. More than one reason can be true.


19 posted on 06/06/2012 4:03:45 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: steve86

6 & 1/2 years is a pretty long bubble.

I would much rather have consistent growth, which is what happens when the Republicans control Congress, than consistent devaluation, which is what happens when the Democrats control Congress.


20 posted on 06/06/2012 4:17:02 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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