Skip to comments.Boy Scouts review controversial anti-gay policy
Posted on 06/06/2012 4:13:18 PM PDT by Hunton Peck
The Boy Scouts of America is considering a newly-proposed resolution that calls for ending a 102-year-old policy theyve grappled with in recent years: banning gay scouts and scout leaders, gay advocates told msnbc.com on Wednesday. Though the organization said it would review the proposal, a spokesman insisted there were no plans to change the policy.
The new policy would throw out the national ban and allow local chartering organizations to decide whether or not they would accept gay youth and leaders, said Zach Wahls, an Eagle Scout who has advocated for the change, citing unidentified people he spoke to within the organization.
Boy Scouts of America spokesman Deron Smith said a resolution to amend the national policy to allow each of the Scoutings chartered groups to set its own standards regarding gay members was turned in by a voting member before April 30, the deadline for submitting resolutions.
While well carefully consider this resolution, there are no plans to change this policy, he said noting that resolutions and petitions on the matter were not unique and dated back to 2000, when the Supreme Court heard a challenge over their stance (the justices sided with the Boy Scouts in the lawsuit involving a former Assistant Scoutmaster who was gay, citing the protections of the First Amendment).
Wahls, the son of a lesbian couple, last Wednesday delivered a petition bearing 275,000 signatures calling for an end to the 102-year-old policy and the reinstatement of Jennifer Tyrrell to her post as den mother after she was ousted in April because she is gay.
Wahls said he was absolutely ecstatic when he heard about the proposal to change the policy, saying it would be akin to the repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a...
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(Plus, note the abuse of the word "controversial" to mean "My sicko friends and I don't like it".)
One deduces that, the proposal’s having been made, procedures require they “consider” it.
It will never happen.
Normal people don't consider the long-held, highly admirable moral standards of a private organization, and the attempt to inculcate those standards into boys and young men as “controversial”.
Only propagandizing, hate-filled perverts, intent on the destruction of the moral fiber of America, who call themselves journalists, do.
No, but the fact that some, including some in the media, want it to happen is another indication of how evil the folks who claim to just want “equality” and “compassion” for all really are.
“It will never happen.”
I hope you are correct, but I am not as optimistic as you are.
The Two-Deep leadership has rendered the ban moot. The problem has always been that gay men join the troops and hide where you don’t find the problem until it is too late. It’s easier to deal with them openly.
I think gay Scouts are allowed. Half the time, they are just attention-whoring.
Policy should stand as is. Especially being in the field, the opportunities are too great for pedophiles to take advantage of young boys. Since I have not been involved in scouting since I was a kid, I wonder if they have a two adult policy to prevent where an adult and a kid are alone by themselves ?
Who signed off on Zach's eagle application ?
I don’t think there is a chance this would get approved. Why? The largest group the charters boy scout units is the LDS. And that means lots of money to National. Allow gays, and the LDS creates its own youth program, the BSA loses a ton of members, and you get the idea... so not gonna happen. By the way, I am a District Commissioner.
Make changes to the policy at the risk of killing the organization.I won’t support any childrens organization based on sexual preference.At that age sex need not be any part of it. No queer scout masters, period. These freaks need to join the priesthood if they want free access to young boys
If the Scouts cave on this, it will mean the end of the Scouts.
There’s a poll at the site, at the end of the article, for those who might want to FReep it, asking whether the BSA should change its anti-molester policy.
Right now, the results are:
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Formal name is Youth Protection, but yes, 2 deep leadership.
No Scout, unless they are directly related by blood to the adult, is to be alone with an adult, out of sight of others, at any time, especially in tents.
These are BSA rules and any legitimate Troop organization will enforce this at all times.
This is done for 2 reasons...
1. Protect the Scout from a predator or other abuse.
2. Protect the Adult from a false accusation of abuse.
There is absolutely no reason for a non-related adult to be alone with a Scout, out of sight, in private.
When backpacking with the Scouts, I’m normally the “sweep” or tail-end Charlie, the younger guys just run circles around me.
The chances of being “alone” with a Scout on the trail in that position, are pretty high, but I ALWAYS insist on staying on the trail, out in the open at ALL times.
There’s a picture of Zach at the story. He has a pronounced five-o’clock shadow and his uniform looks a bit too small for him.
I’d hazard a guess that his two lesbian “moms” got together well after he made rank, and worked his mind over fairly dramatically.
I hope so to...
but I have to tell ya, the trends on the recent polling are decidedly going in a gay way. Worse, if you look at the demographics by age, the young simply don’t seem to understand that gay = bad. If we don’t see a massive midlife change from those generations... gay will end being good.
The church I usher at has that same rule as well. In my position as part time instructor at the University, even with adult females, I apply this rule to myself where I either meet with them in an open area or go to email. And I have to say, I have had many very good looking girls in my classes.
> Formal name is Youth Protection, but yes, 2 deep leadership.
> No Scout, unless they are directly related by blood to the adult, is to be alone with an adult, out of sight of others, at any time, especially in tents.
It was effectively the end of Scouting in Canada. All 6 kids in my family were involved in Scouts or Girl Guides back in the 60s and 70s. None of our children have been involved. No way I’m turning over my son to an organization that no longer stands for the moral development of young men.
Bingo. The LDS church adopted and supports the BSA as the appropriate program for the young men. LDS troops are typically small organizations within the membership of a 500 person "ward". Most of the troop members are also members of that ward. Scout masters are usually "called" by the Bishop from a worthy member of the Elder's Quorum. It's usually a two to three year assignment.
The troops that are at risk are one's sponsored by a school PTA. That is the kind of troop where I became an Eagle Scout. It turned out that one of our assistant scout master's was a pedophile. He was molesting small children at the daycare center operated by his wife. When he was arrested, his son disappeared from view. It was a major embarrassment. In later years, I learned one of the scouts was queer and plying his perversion with some of the scouts in the troop. Ewww!
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The BSA’s problem was that they didn’t enforce the ban and as a result thousands of scouts were molested. Common sense tells you that you don’t send boys into the woods with homosexuals.
I spent last weekend helping my Eagle Scout son working on his son's Eagle project.
Should this decision be taken, I can see three generations of Scouts in my family walking away. Sadly, but walking away.
I bet the LDS leads it. You see, there’s this man named Mitt Romney.....
Outwardly gay adult males having unsupervised sleepovers with young boys. What could possibly go wrong?
It’s not like there is a track record of scout masters molesting young boys, is there? That only happens in the Catholic Church, I hear. And that’s because the Church is “evil” and supplies the young boys to the men and then covers everything up.
Schools would never do that. And the scouts have never needed to because gay men love boys and would NEVER do anything to harm them. < /sarc >
The sex positive agenda considers adolescents to be willing partners and orgasm to be a birthright to be enjoyed at every age.
They fund the agenda with tax dollars in schools and hospitals.
They consider all moral judgments against any sexual pairings to be “wrong”.
The goal is out there for anyone who investigates organizations like SIECUS and Kinsey and Reich.
We had boys in our family molested in the boyscouts in the 70’s. It was a national pedophile ring set up in the Boy Scouts. If they do this, the boy scouts won’t be safe for boys anymore. They go to summer camps and on overnights with these pervs.
I hope they do not do this.
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As for guys who like guys being Scout Masters? I do not want someone who is so weak willed as to have sexual conduct with someone with the same parts and willing to fiddle around in the back area, to be alone with my children or anyone's children. They can call it natural all they want, but it shows a weakness in their sexual restraint.
My sons' troop is a homeschool troop. We are religious about following the rules to protect both the boys and the adults.
I am proud to say that my oldest is having his Eagle board this week! I really hope he does well.
Rush is right when he says these nuts would go go apoplectic if there was a test of "sexuality" before birth and people start aborting due to it's results. How fast would the homosexual maffia want to stop these types of abortions?
I agree. Not one more dime from me and I’ve been supporting the Scouts for 45 years when I started as a Cub Scout and my dad was a Scoutmaster in the Ventura CA region and my mom was a Den Mother for Webelos.
Yep, that was my first thought after ignoring the headline and reading the paragraphs posted above. Ironically, a story like this will only fire up the normal people who support the BSA and harden the resolve of the Boy Scouts to continue to turn away homosexual scout leaders who want to take little boys off into the woods.
If they all tossed $100 in the pot, they could start their own Queer Scout League and leave the Boy Scouts alone!
Good point, and a good indicator that they don’t really believe — despite their claims — that homosexuals are born. They know they have to make them from normal kids.
Me neither. The Fruity Front is determined to corrupt
every venerable institution they can.
Here we go down a slippery slope. I’ve known 10 homosexual individuals in my life time. My life career in counseling and hearing people’s confessions. The 1st homosexual guy I knew had 2 Mexican boys, age 8 and age 10 in his home as toys. I know this because it was our family. Another individual was a religious leader in Guatemala, my last count was 21 young men he had defiled, whose lives were ruined, and their marriages they tried to establish were always on the brink. I’ve never known a homosexual who wasn’t attracted to ‘little boys’, and thought it clever to introduce them into the alternate lifestyle. I’ve never met a homosexual who really opposed predators of small boys. I’ve heard and seen dozens of testimonials on DVD, video on Internet, and they all get inititaed into the counter lifestyle by an older adult. This wouldn’t be so personal, if it wasn’t something I’ve lived with.
I don’t think there’s a chance in the world the Boy Scouts will make any changes. They will “consider” the proposal, they will reject it categorically, and they will move on.
The Youth Protection rules are good, as is the greater awareness of the dangers homosexuals pose for children, but the rules rely on the good intentions of the vast majority of adult participants. Any toleration of people who are known to want to have sex with the Scouts - whether it’s adults or other boys - is a tacit acceptance of the sexual abuse that will occur.
Caving means they're just one more organization cowed by the demands of a tiny, deviant minority. Nothing makes them stand out, so they eventually fade into irrelevance and oblivion.
The LDS Scouting units have had their share of scandal as well.
The LDS also register every registered church member of that ward who is of scouting age, regardless of activity and/or participation. Thus, their real numbers are grossly overinflated.
But, they do still send in that all important $ to BSA National.
This is a flagrant violation of the Scout Oath. What part about being “morally straight” don’t they understand???
I refer the perverts to the Sandusky trial.
” One deduces that, the proposals having been made, procedures require they consider it.”
Then immediately reject it.
There is a posting from the B.S.A.’s Facebook page that there is no plans to change this policy, and that the reports are false.
The fact that this comes from PMSNBC should be a huge tipoff.
(Mom of a soon-to-be 2nd year Webelo and wife to the assistant den leader)
“Oh, look! Another proposal to admit self-proclaimed rump rangers to Boy Scouting!”
“Where’s the cat? We need him to crap on the proposal!”
I suppose this will cause another round of MSM “Scout bashing”
It’s just ALL GAY, ALL the TIME with these people. So glad there are no important issues in the U.S. which need to be discussed. GAY, GAY, GAY, GAY, GAY. Shove it down our throats.