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Babies could be tested for 3,500 genetic faults
Telegraph, UK ^ | June 6, 2012 | Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent

Posted on 06/06/2012 4:26:48 PM PDT by yorkie

A team has been able to predict the whole genetic code of a foetus by taking a blood sample from a woman who was 18 weeks pregnant, and a swab of saliva from the father.

They believe that, in time, the test will become widely available, enabling doctors to screen unborn babies for some 3,500 genetic disorders.

At the moment the only genetic disorder routinely tested for on the NHS is Down’s syndrome.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abortion; fetus; genetictesting

1 posted on 06/06/2012 4:27:03 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: yorkie

What could possibly go wrong?


2 posted on 06/06/2012 4:28:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: yorkie

If they have the ability to find the gentic “defects” could they also fix them before the child is born?


3 posted on 06/06/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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At the beginning of the article...."Scientists could soon be able to routinely screen unborn babies for thousands of genetic conditions, raising concerns the breakthrough could lead to more abortions."

And, now Planned Parenthood is opening up a clinic at Roosevelt High School in Los Angeles, CA.

Planned Parenthood opens clinic in LA High School (click here)

4 posted on 06/06/2012 4:35:44 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: dfwgator

it would be so much easier to just outlaw pre-born genocide and use this information for cures.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 4:37:48 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: yorkie

If only we could check our elected officials for ethical defects.


6 posted on 06/06/2012 4:42:59 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: yorkie
http://files.myopera.com/cicaklaut/blog/Gattaca.jpg

What could Possibly Go Wrong!!?!

7 posted on 06/06/2012 4:43:01 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: yorkie

“Predict” the genes of an 18 week old fetus?

Interesting, self serving language.


8 posted on 06/06/2012 4:43:27 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: yorkie

Wow! We could have tons and tons and tons of abortions if we find any defects! Awesome! What a great country we’re turning in to! And we’ll fund all those abortions with tax dollars. What a great country!


9 posted on 06/06/2012 4:44:49 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: yorkie


10 posted on 06/06/2012 4:46:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
http://anotherplotdevice.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gattaca-2.jpg

Belonged to a new underclass, no longer determined by social status or the color of your skin. No, we now have discrimination down to a science.

11 posted on 06/06/2012 4:52:46 PM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: yorkie
...in time, the test will become widely available, enabling doctors to screen unborn babies for some 3,500 genetic disorders. At the moment the only genetic disorder routinely tested for on the NHS is Down’s syndrome.

Let's see, currently the liberals want to automatically murder Down's syndrome kids. NOW they can test for 3,499 OTHER reasons to murder children.

They must be drooling with anticipation.

Science + Liberals = Death

12 posted on 06/06/2012 5:14:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: KC_Lion
bingo...
13 posted on 06/06/2012 5:18:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: yorkie

This is a genie that’s going to be hard to keep in the bottle, since the technology is easy even for non first world countries now. Still, why did the NHS have to take this over, too? Can’t ANYTHING be private in Britain?

Another thing that probably won’t be discussed is how sure can they be that the genetic marker being looked for means the disease is present. In some cases it would be 100%, but in other cases (e.g. proclivity to cardiovascular disease) there are a host of other factors.


14 posted on 06/06/2012 5:21:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: yorkie
The initial genetic configuration is only a start. Many changes will occur during development that alter the final result. Nutrition, maternal hormones, maternal disease and exposure to toxic substances will result in something different that what the initial configuration would "predict". Consider every Windows or Linux installation DVD as the starting material. The hardware and exposure to operating will change the running system over time. It is preposterous to claim that you can definitively claim the genetic markers you identify will be expressed in the end product.
15 posted on 06/06/2012 5:23:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin; neverdem

Genes are, pardon the term, viral. They go to every cell. Nobody knows how to roll them back on a bodywide basis, like patching a Windows or Linux installation. The only real scientific issue is whether the sought marker shows up as a diseased phenotype in all cases or only some.


16 posted on 06/06/2012 5:32:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Talisker

I have a 7 month old with Downs Syndrome.
We told the Dr. at the “high risk pregnancy clinic” to stop picking our baby apart during the sonogram. If there was something we could do to have a safe delivery or specialized care after birth then great.
When he started in on the “options” I interrupted him and said “doc, we are gong to love this baby until the day we die or until the day he dies, but we will never consider murdering him.”
That seemed to shut him up pretty fast.
At the time we didn’t know he had Downs and the idea was a little scary.
We found out when he was born in the wee hours of the morning.
By the time we got a few hours sleep we were up and in love with him and excited.
He is our third child, and they are all wonderful.
It’s too bad there’s no test to show new parents what a joy the child is going to be. If there was then he would have been off the charts in that department.
His name is Reagan, and he really makes life worth living.
He is so happy and he brings joy everywhere we go.


17 posted on 06/06/2012 5:39:22 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: yorkie

Unfortunately, with most genetic disorders, it’s not a certainty that the child will develop the disorder. Most genetic defects only cause a susceptibility to the disorder; whether the disorder manifests or not is a result of environmental factors.

Testing for 3,500 genetic disorders will almost certainly find at least one disorder in every baby. Everyone carries at least one genetic defect that will only manifest if they have children with another person having the exact same mutation. There’s a reason we avoid inbreeding—breeding with close relatives who are highly likely to carry the same mutant genes you have is a great way to get kids who get a double dose of those genes.


18 posted on 06/06/2012 6:12:25 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: yorkie

Wasn’t this Hitler’s aim, the master race?


19 posted on 06/06/2012 6:12:53 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (I can see November from Wisconsin)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
As cells differentiate, some DNA is activated, some DNA is deactivated and in some cases some DNA is discarded entirely. The path of the differentiation can be altered by the environment as time progresses. It's an empirical process, not a defined process. Bio-software in operation. The authors of the article err in the assumption of a defined process constrained entirely by the initial state.
20 posted on 06/06/2012 6:16:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Clump
I too, have a child with a genetic condition. I have often said something similar.

I have "typical" genes. But if the doctors that delivered me had a crystal ball and were only able to tell my parents all of the challenges, heartbreaks and failures I would experience in my life they would have been horrified.

We have two other children. All three of them give us such joy and love I couldn't imagine living my life without any one of them. I have no idea what issues and challenges my two boys face in life but I do know many of the challenges my daughter will face. I am greatful that we can start preparing now to help her overcome them.

When she was born the doctors told us all of the therapy she would need, all of the things she would never be able to do, etc.... But they could never have told us how awesome it would feel to hear her squeal with laughter, give hugs or tell us she loved us.

21 posted on 06/06/2012 6:36:01 PM PDT by nitzy ( Conservation is the policy of stewardship. Environmentalism is the religion of pagans.)
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To: yorkie

Oh, goodie. Then they’ll have 3500 more excuses to abort them. sarc//off


22 posted on 06/06/2012 6:52:36 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Clump; potlatch

Our little granddaughter, also named Reagan ( her Mom was born on Pres. Reagan’s birthday) has a big brother. He was born with Spina Bifida, which has numerous severe lifelong issues and complications. His condition was not spotted in prenatal testing, which was horrifying to his doctors and nurses. It would not have made a difference to his parents.

This boy has lived his difficult life with joy and eagerness. He will be four this month. Three weeks ago he pulled himself up to standing for the first time at the bottom of the stairway. Then he climbed the stairs on his hands and knees, all the way to the top with such a look of wonder and
pride on his face. He can walk short distances with a walker, but cannot stand by himself without collapsing to the floor. In August he has to have extensive surgery for urological issues, and will lose a lot of ground for awhile. He is also autistic, but can communicate with each of us unless he’s overwhelmed. He knows all his letters and sounds, can spell and can read simple words that he sounds out. He can count to one hundred, and to twenty in Spanish. We really can’t compare him to anyone but himself, but every day with him is filled with love given and returned, and with the surprises of new accomplishments. I thank God daily for his precious life and that of his sister.

What a loss it would have been to the world if your son or our grandson would have been diagnosed in utero and destroyed by a “compassionate,” suffocating and murderous government regime.


23 posted on 06/06/2012 6:58:20 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

Your grandson sounds like an absolute love——and his sister too,of course.

Being a grandparent is the greatest.


24 posted on 06/06/2012 7:01:01 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: dfwgator
>"What could possibly go wrong?"

Watch the first 10 minutes of Idiocracy.

25 posted on 06/06/2012 7:16:17 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Rumplemeyer

“If they have the ability to find the gentic “defects” could they also fix them before the child is born?”

Someday this will become routine. Not soon, but eventually.

But... what if they find a “correctable” pre-disposition for homosexuality?

If that happens, watch for the left to clamor for a ban on such testing and corrective surgery, pronto!


26 posted on 06/06/2012 7:22:40 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: dfwgator
“What could possibly go wrong?”

Assuming the parents and their physician make the decision, the correct answer is Nothing will go wrong, except the gene pool will be pruned of genetic defects.

A friend from college (Vietnam War era) was a Forward Air Control pilot, stationed in some places where Agent orange was literally all over the place. His wife had several miscarriages, which he felt was the result of the Agent Orange exposure.

Eventually, they did have one girl, normal, too.

He once said he knew why the miscarriages had occurred - “Nature's way of saying “Bad baby, start over.”

A biology major's comment to another bio major. Not something one can tell one’s wife, evidently. Especially if she does not have that sort of education.

This technology offers a way to avoid tragedy. Hopefully, it will be seen as the gift G*d meant when we were given dominion.

Alas, there was no guarantee such dominion would be exercised wisely, or compassionately.

Personally, I hope the research is made available widely so parents and their children can actualize their potential instead of suffer from preventable genetic debacles.

PS Perhaps a pill may someday be available to reverse the 1,400 years of incest resultant from Islamic second cousin marriages.

PPS One may even hope for an IQ pill and a “humane nature” pill for the obvious Islamic genetic deficiencies.

27 posted on 06/06/2012 7:23:19 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Mears

Thank you.
Reagan passed him on the steps today. Each day is full of surprise, joy, excitement, terror sometimes. All part of living. The day I became “Grandma” started the best phase of my life


28 posted on 06/06/2012 7:32:53 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik; yorkie; Clump; nitzy; All

Thanks for pinging nit. What wonderful stories of loving families posted here. I salute you all!
If these stories could only be posted on the walls of abortion clinics.........

I don’t like this kind of research, it can lead to bad things and perhaps that’s in the long range plans - in the eyes of governments. Thank God for ‘Angel’ mothers and grandmothers.


29 posted on 06/06/2012 7:33:19 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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To: GladesGuru

The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions.


30 posted on 06/06/2012 7:37:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

Yes, indeed.


31 posted on 06/06/2012 8:31:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZppWok6SX88


32 posted on 06/06/2012 8:39:21 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ntnychik
He is also autistic, but can communicate with each of us unless he’s overwhelmed.

Teach him American Sign Language. It gives him a second way to access the language portion of his brain, a kinesthetic way. It also teaches more reading of body language and facial expression. Great tool for anyone on the spectrum.

33 posted on 06/06/2012 8:47:29 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: potlatch; Clump; nitzy; ntnychik; All

Here is a lovely story that I have shared with many people who have children with disabilities...........

Welcome to Holland

by Emily Perl Kingsley.

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It’s like this......

When you’re going to have a baby, it’s like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It’s all very exciting.

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, “Welcome to Holland.”

“Holland?!?” you say. “What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I’m supposed to be in Italy. All my life I’ve dreamed of going to Italy.”

But there’s been a change in the flight plan. They’ve landed in Holland and there you must stay.

The important thing is that they haven’t taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It’s just a different place.

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.

It’s just a different place. It’s slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you’ve been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts.

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they’re all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say “Yes, that’s where I was supposed to go. That’s what I had planned.”

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss.

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn’t get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland.


34 posted on 06/06/2012 8:49:59 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks for the ping.


35 posted on 06/06/2012 10:14:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Myrddin; yorkie
Noninvasive Whole-Genome Sequencing of a Human Fetus
36 posted on 06/06/2012 11:42:59 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: yorkie

As Rush has Commented,scientists claim that they have Discovered the Gene that causes Homosexuality. You Want to see a Massive Movement to the Pro Life Position? Wait until The Homos realize People start to abort their Babies when the Gay Gene is Discovered in their Baby!


37 posted on 06/07/2012 3:37:34 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: yorkie; potlatch

Thank you so much. That was such an apt description, and we’re loving this journey our grandson is taking us on.


38 posted on 06/07/2012 7:03:37 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: SCalGal; potlatch

What a good suggestion! Thank you very much!


39 posted on 06/07/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik

You are very, very welcome. I teach special ed, and I’ve seen wonderful things come with ASL (American Sign Language). It can make a tremendous difference in their lives and it’s really such a simple thing.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 7:17:35 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: Clump

“When he started in on the “options” I interrupted him and said “doc, we are gong to love this baby until the day we die or until the day he dies, but we will never consider murdering him.”

“His name is Reagan, and he really makes life worth living.”

A most appropriate name. “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” - Ronald Reagan


41 posted on 06/07/2012 8:05:16 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: yorkie

Thanks Yorkie. I have read this before and it’s a good read. Enjoyed seeing it again.


42 posted on 06/09/2012 6:05:55 PM PDT by potlatch (~~And the truth IS what counts, RIGHT ? ~~)
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