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Cannabis health dangers 'underestimated' (factually wrong)
The Telegraph ^ | 06 Jun 2012 | Stephen Adams

Posted on 06/06/2012 6:14:32 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty

A third of people think cannabis is harmless, despite it being 20 times more carcinogenic to smoke than tobacco, according to a report published today (Wednesday).

Young people are particularly ignorant of the health dangers posed by smoking cannabis, found the British Lung Foundation.

The British Lung Foundation, which produced the report, said there was “an alarming disconnect” between public perception of the drug as safe, and “the serious, even fatal impact it can have”.

Almost nine in 10 people think tobacco cigarettes are more damaging to health than cannabis ones, found the BLF.

The charity reviewed existing scientific evidence on the health impacts of smoking cannabis, and reported there was strong evidence it contributed to diseases including lung cancer, tuberculosis and acute bronchitis.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; legalization; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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The problem with this "report" is that it's directly contradicted by the actual studies that have been done.

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection (20 times more carcinogenic, eh?)

Smoking pot, in moderation, doesn’t damage your lungs: U.S. study

I'm not saying that cannabis is harmless, but over the top propaganda is what's led to the attitude that this article is attacking - wrongly as it turns out. Reefer Madness, anyone? At any rate, the people who view it as "harmless" are a lot closer to the truth than these self-proclaimed "experts". Facts can be inconvenient at times.

Personally I'm convinced that it should be legalized - to whatever extent it replaces alcohol as a drug of choice it would be an improvement.

Reminder: don't shoot the messenger. ;-)

1 posted on 06/06/2012 6:14:49 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

Legalize it. Make hemp legal again also.

Prohibition never works. Neither has the “war on drugs”.


2 posted on 06/06/2012 6:18:08 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: PreciousLiberty

Anti-Marijuana - Nothing Can Happen To You Too - Drug-Free America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_knXF_G6c


3 posted on 06/06/2012 6:19:28 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
So how many male smokers smoke less than a pack a day? I used to smoke a pack and a half, most of my buddies smoked more.

I have never met anyone who smokes 40 marijuana cigarettes a day.

4 posted on 06/06/2012 6:19:57 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: douginthearmy

Not since Obama gave up that habit 10 or 15 years ago, anyway.


5 posted on 06/06/2012 6:23:00 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: TheStickman

Okay then, what about, say, heroin?


6 posted on 06/06/2012 6:26:40 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: PreciousLiberty
"Smoking is bad, m'kay?"

Legalize it and some rich guy will get richer selling psychoactive THC in nasal spray form.


7 posted on 06/06/2012 6:27:13 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Picture, but not caption, from the movie Reefer Madness. And yes, he is an attempted rapist and psychotic, as well as being a marijuana addict.

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8 posted on 06/06/2012 6:27:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Copenhagen Smile
"what about, say, heroin?"

Do you take heroin? Would you take heroin if it were legal? Do people take heroin now? Will being reminded that it is illegal cause them to stop?

What about, say, heroin?


9 posted on 06/06/2012 6:33:23 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: douginthearmy
So how many male smokers smoke less than a pack a day? I used to smoke a pack and a half, most of my buddies smoked more.

I have never met anyone who smokes 40 marijuana cigarettes a day.

Forty cigarettes to a pack? How much pot do you smoke?

10 posted on 06/06/2012 6:33:42 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: I see my hands; TheStickman
I was asking if the stickman favors legalizing heroin.

Do you?

11 posted on 06/06/2012 6:35:42 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Har har f-tard. I smoked more than a pack. My friends smoked more than that, ergo, I have met people who smoked 2 or more packs. Either you’re trying to be funny, an asshole, or you are the one on pot.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 6:40:43 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Comparing grapes and watermelons, vitiating any point they may have hoped to make.

Less (much less) of a pot cigarette is customarily smoked than a tobacco cigarette. And chain smoking pot is unheard of.

Smoke is a bad thing to inhale, and vaporizers offer a safer way to partake. But still.


13 posted on 06/06/2012 6:41:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: TheStickman
>"Prohibition never works"

Unless it's your goal to establish a Police State.

14 posted on 06/06/2012 6:41:34 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
"I was asking if the stickman favors legalizing heroin"

Yes, you asked TheStickman a question. Perhaps he will answer it. I've asked you a few questions, will you answer them?


15 posted on 06/06/2012 6:42:32 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
Okay then, what about, say, heroin?

Per the Tenth Amendment, I say get the feds out and let the states decide how to regulate heroin, as well as marijuana and alcohol.

Do you agree or disagree?

16 posted on 06/06/2012 6:44:01 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: I see my hands
"Do you take heroin?"--No.

"Would you take heroin if it were legal?"--No.

"Do people take heroin now?"--Some, yes. The stupid ones.

"Will being reminded that it is illegal cause them to stop?"--Some, yes. The less stupid ones.

17 posted on 06/06/2012 6:45:10 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: All

I remember back when I was a kid and they said that butter and eggs will kill you.. you know because anyone that eats eggs and butter dies so.. Then they discovered, over time that butter and eggs are not so bad and the alternatives were worse and not to mention they tasted like crap. Then we were told that paper bags were going to ruin the planet and plastic was better because of the landfill space, now we’re told that we need to use paper because plastic will kill the planet.
Sugar in soft drinks was going to kill us, then the sugar replacement was going to kill us, now since the replacement is going to kill us so we’re back to using sugar.
Coffee was going to kill us, now caffeine is actually beneficial and coffee is an antioxidant. First tuna was good, then too much will kill you, now it’s good again until it’s not. Aspirin was the cause of ulcers, it gets replaced by drugs that are supposed to be better but now since those drugs have more serious long-term effects we are seeing aspirin return as a miracle drug that actually helps the colon. Twenty years ago, you had to stay out of the sun because of cancer but now, we need sun to stave off cancer and other ailments so it’s good again. Aerosol sprays were going to kill us because they damaged the ozone layer, which we find out later that it wasn’t happening.

We should all have a natural skepticism on published scientific and medical “reports”. Until there are legit reports about the actual long term effects of MJ and the actual follow ups using different groups, we will never really know. All the stuff out now that say it’s safer than breathing regular air is just a bunch of agenda driven drivel. Inhaling smoke from a burning, tarry substance through your lungs was just fine, then it was bad and now inhaling an unfiltered, unregulated stinky, tarry substance to get an intoxicating effect is okay again until it’s not.

I’ll stay with common sense and assume that inhaling smoke from a cultivated smelly plant is probably not a good thing to do to your lungs.

I feel like Woody Allen in Sleeper..

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called “wheat germ, organic honey and tiger’s milk.”
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.


18 posted on 06/06/2012 6:50:41 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Bang!

Just kidding...I think alcohol is much worse than pot. I don’t do either,used to have a drink here and there in my past, but I never really liked the taste of it. Now that I have health issues, I am not even interested in even a glass of wine- just not my thing- but I am “addicted” to coffee.

So judging people who I have known who do both, alcohol is a nightmare and seems to really change people’s personalities, sometimes to the extreme.
Pot doesn’t seem to do that. I sometimes wouldn’t even know when someone was high, but I could always tell when someone had a couple of drinks.

Not a scientific survey, but just based on everyday life. I also think pot should be legal and treated like alcohol. I think one reason it can lead to other drug use, is because you have to hang out with or go to sometimes questionable people or street criminals to get it...so you’re introduced to the drug/criminal world.

And all the wasted money on the War on Drugs including pot, only to turn around and kind of sort of make it legal for medical reasons...it’s like they can’t decide what to do with it...crazy.


19 posted on 06/06/2012 6:50:50 PM PDT by homegroan (Veni, Vedi, Velcro....since 1998)
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To: Ken H

As a 50 year old person, I can attest that all the pot smokers I ever met or grew up with never amounted to crap.
They are either dead or in prison, or learned the error of their ways.
Pot makes you fat, lazy, and stupid. Not necessarily in that order.
Stupid is, as stupid does. Just keep on puffing on the rope, dumbasses.


20 posted on 06/06/2012 6:51:39 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: Ken H
I agree and disagree. Alcohol, including moonshine (which I favor legalizing), is harmless in moderation. Heroin and other similar substances are 100% terrible for you, even in moderation, which is essentially impossible anyway due to the nature of the beast.

At the same time, the 10th amendment is pretty clear, especially when considering the original version found in the articles of confederation, ""Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."

But then, this being considered, what can be said about DOMA?

Sticky all around.

21 posted on 06/06/2012 6:52:41 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: Copenhagen Smile

As a developing issue, how about legalizing “bath salts.” It only causes face munchies.


22 posted on 06/06/2012 6:56:44 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
You can go out on a limb and trust me when I tell you that people who currently take heroin know it's illegal and are not deterred by that fact. And you can trust me when I tell you that you are nobody special in your conviction to avoid the drug should it become legal.

23 posted on 06/06/2012 7:00:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
So you admit that the Tenth Amendment delegates this authority to the states, but you won't say whether or not you would honor it in the case of drugs.

Explain how that is not contempt for the Constitution.

24 posted on 06/06/2012 7:07:55 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

It is cowardly to want the government to take care of you. It is cowardly to use illegal drugs to escape reality.
Illegal drug users are cowards.


25 posted on 06/06/2012 7:14:24 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 9422WMR

As a 63 year old Vietnam vet I watched dopers screw themselves up smoking s**t from the Golden Triangle laced with heroin. The Army began urinalysis in RVN in 1972 and I took my last Army p**s test in November 2010.

Dope was my job security because I worked in an MOS where drug tests were random & frequent. The smart cool young hip dudes all p***ed hot & got separated. I had to take up their slack but hey now I’m retired and they’re well I dont know where the h**l they are. Maybe they got the munchies yet.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: 9422WMR
So do you agree or disagree that the Tenth Amendment means intrastate regulation of drugs should be left to the states?
27 posted on 06/06/2012 7:22:19 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
Here's an idea. How bout we legalize the drug called alcohol?

We could tax it, regulate it and setup dens or parlors to consume it. Let's call’em...bars, no no...pubs. Perhaps clubs.

The blatant hypocrisy of legal alcohol and illegal marijuana is absurd.

Here we have state and federal politicians working hard to formulate laws against marijuana and at the end of the legislative day, they agree to meet at the local pub to throw back a few scotch and sodas...you know, to relax after all that legislating.

Alcohol has been directly linked to hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide. Alcohol is very addictive, damages human organs and wrecks lives....yet legal.

Alcohol should be outlawed, but oh no. Give up all those tax dollars from the sale? Not a chance.

Anyone who rants about the legalization of marijuana yet consumes alcohol is nothing more than a sophomoric hypocritical moron. Plain and simple.

28 posted on 06/06/2012 7:24:12 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Ken H

Explain to me whether you support DOMA.


29 posted on 06/06/2012 7:38:19 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: douginthearmy

I have never met anyone who smokes 40 marijuana cigarettes a day.

I had a college room mate who may have come close.


30 posted on 06/06/2012 7:40:19 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
This is an excerpt of a column by Walter Williams. I believe he had people with your constitutional views in mind. I recommend you read the entire piece at the following link:

Ignorance or Contempt

-snip-

Therefore, before we rush to lay the complete blame for constitutional contempt at the feet of politicians and judges, we might want to look at ourselves - we the American people. That is, politicians are doing what we elect them to office to do and if our Constitution stays in the way, it's the Constitution that must yield. The Constitution stands in the way of government programs such as: business bailouts, food stamps, Social Security, Medicare, Title I education programs and thousands of other federal acts.

You might ask, "Why should we pay any attention to a two hundred year document?" I'd say to escape Thomas Jefferson's prediction that, "The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield." After all if we ignore the constitutional protections found in Article I, Section 8 why not ignore other constitutional protections and make them just as meaningless?

If we continue our current path, future generations will curse us for squandering unprecedented liberty.

Walter E. Williams

March 26, 2001

31 posted on 06/06/2012 8:00:39 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

I will indeed read it. But again, what is your opinion of DOMA?


32 posted on 06/06/2012 8:06:18 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: Copenhagen Smile
I have not read the text of DOMA. If you post the congressional findings in the bill and a brief summary on this thread, I will tell you whether I think it is consistent with the Constitution. I mainly want to know what delegated power Congress is using and the rationale.

I think no state is required to accept out of state gay marriages if it conflicts with its own laws. A state IS required to accept out of state marriage licenses for normal couples as valid.

A state could license 14 year olds to marry. That should not require a state with a marriage requirement of 18 to accept their marriage as valid. That state would, however, have to honor out of state marriage licenses of those over 18.

33 posted on 06/06/2012 8:48:03 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile
Heroin and other similar substances are 100% terrible for you, even in moderation

Not true, the opiates and narcotic derivatives for analgesic purposes at the appropriate dosage are not injurious, as long as the drug is curtailed at the end of the normal prescription course. In fact, they are considerably more "useful" than alcohol -- ask anyone in pain.

34 posted on 06/06/2012 9:01:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: PreciousLiberty
An argument against pot smoking? Why is it that many, many leftist are stoners? If that is what it can do to the brain's decision making abilities and emotions, no thanks.
35 posted on 06/06/2012 10:03:27 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: 9422WMR

Spot on.


36 posted on 06/06/2012 10:04:36 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Bellflower

Riddle me this - why is marijuana use the most divisive & hotly debated topic on FreeRepublic?

Maybe it’s just the flashpoint where conservative & libertarian FReepers really separate & square off. FWIW, I tend toward the earlier expressed view that habitual dopers are, well, dopes. Knew some of them in Vietnam and forty years later they are now swapping some really stupid emails & forwards.


37 posted on 06/07/2012 4:11:18 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: TheStickman

Totally agree. The WOD has become a worse danger than the narcotics themselves. The criminalization of MJ led to synthetic K2, then K3.

Criminalization of cocaine and meth led to usage of bath salts and now we see cannibalization while under the influence of such.

Legalize it all, give it out free at clinics and let adults make adult decisions with adult consequences.


38 posted on 06/07/2012 4:54:05 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Legalize it all, give it out free at clinics and let adults make adult decisions with adult consequences.

Legalize, eventually, maybe sooner, decriminalize, easier to accept, but "give it out free at clinics"?

The "War on Drugs" is a war on individual liberty via making it a "War" justifies the creation of a police state, which then mandates its use to justify spending the money for it, which starts that vicious circle turning and turning.

This legislated "cure" is far worse than the "disease" and most certainly isn't the cure, just a cause for greater/worse unintended consequences. At least, I think they're unintended.

This progressive mental illness is killing us. We need to get our thinking back to our philosophical and ideological sources...

"Every man, and every body of men on earth, possesses the right of self-government."
~Thomas Jefferson Opinion on Residence Bill, 1790

39 posted on 06/07/2012 6:26:12 AM PDT by GBA (To understand what is happening to America and why, read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn)
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To: GBA

Here is why I say give it free at clinics.

The illicit narcotics trade is an uncontrolled and unregulated market where extreme violence is motivated by the profit, which is incredibably huge.

Take away the profit, the violence greatly abates. Take away the profit from the street gangs, the violence abates. Take away the need to pay, the associated property crimes perpetrated by the users greatly abates.

This, of course, would most certainly get into to bed with those organizations that control the supply side of the equation but here is the trade off.

Violence goes down, personal freedoms go back up, the militarization of the police recedes, and the Constitution is restored.

The drug use is a morality issue, and we must not have the police become too ensconced in morality issues or we are on our way to the same islamo-fascist morality police like the Taliban used to have.

If people abuse the narcotics, they will do it a safe, enclosed enviroment where they will never have to commit crimes to support their habit. Nor will they have to spend time in a correctional institute that does nothing for them and indeed keeps violent offenders out on the street on probation status.


40 posted on 06/07/2012 7:41:45 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Which of those benefits would we not get by legalizing and leaving it to a lightly-regulated free market as with alcohol?
41 posted on 06/07/2012 12:58:03 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: elcid1970; Bellflower
FWIW, I tend toward the earlier expressed view that habitual dopers are, well, dopes.

The question isn't whether smoking pot is a good idea - question is whether criminalizing pot is a good idea.

42 posted on 06/07/2012 1:12:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Nobody steals air conditioners and scrap the coils out them to finance an alcohol habit. But heroin abusers do and a button (capsule) is about 6 to 10 dollars, so very cheap.

Putting these drugs in a free market venue opens up more opportunities for employee theft, more opportunities for pharmacy robbery, and Walgreens definitely does not want customers shooting up and dying on their parking lot.

Put the distribution in a safe, enclosed enviroment voids these expensive unpleasantries.

Now, I don’t know what the dollar figure would be to purchase the product, distribute and staff the dispenseries but it can’t be more than we are spending in the War on Drugs/Citizens/Constitution now.


43 posted on 06/07/2012 1:37:27 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Nobody steals air conditioners and scrap the coils out them to finance an alcohol habit. But heroin abusers do and a button (capsule) is about 6 to 10 dollars, so very cheap.

How long does a button last? 10 dollars of alcohol is enough to keep even a high-tolerance drinker happy for several days.

Putting these drugs in a free market venue opens up more opportunities for employee theft,

You can say that about any consumer good.

more opportunities for pharmacy robbery,

Prescription drugs is not a lightly-regulated free market.

and Walgreens definitely does not want customers shooting up and dying on their parking lot.

Nobody would be required to sell any drug. And liquor stores don't seem to be worried about alkies passing out in their parking lots.

44 posted on 06/07/2012 2:03:51 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

My goal is to end the violence associated with the illicit narcotics trade and the over expansion of the government.

I would prefer that those narcotics be distributed in single venues with onsite usage at little or no cost to the user with the taxpayer expenditure offset with the savings in smaller government bureaucracies or outright elimination of some.

I am intimately aware of the lengths that citizens are prepared to go through to get something they must pay for and must have lest they become very ill. I offer my idea so the victimization of law abiding citizens by those involved in the drug trade is minimized greatly.


45 posted on 06/07/2012 2:31:56 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie
My goal is to end the violence associated with the illicit narcotics trade and the over expansion of the government.

Mine too.

I would prefer that those narcotics be distributed in single venues with onsite usage

That would be a vast improvement over the status quo. I could get behind that.

at little or no cost to the user

Simply ransporting heroin base from its source to its destination currently results in a more than 30-fold price increase; if drugs were legal they'd be vastly less expensive than now.

46 posted on 06/07/2012 2:39:29 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Thank you for the conversation. I hope more will consider the end of the War on Drugs/Citizens/Constitution.


47 posted on 06/07/2012 2:45:47 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Hmm ~ so you imagine the middlemen can be put out of business?

Never happened in history with anything ~ and drugs getting cheaper? Obviously you aren't buying many drugs these days. Even with generics the price inevitably goes up!

48 posted on 06/09/2012 6:29:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Simply transporting heroin base from its source to its destination currently results in a more than 30-fold price increase; if drugs were legal they'd be vastly less expensive than now.

Hmm ~ so you imagine the middlemen can be put out of business?

Did I say that? No. Show me a legal product whose simple transportation results in a 30-fold price increase.

and drugs getting cheaper? Obviously you aren't buying many drugs these days. Even with generics the price inevitably goes up!

The generic always remains cheaper than the brand name, just as legal drugs will always be cheaper than illegal ones.

49 posted on 06/09/2012 8:22:43 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
How foolish you are. The controlled version will be the new, far higher priced brand name. That price will ALWAYS be higher than that of the continuing stream of unlawfully produced and transported product.

You do realize your friendly neighborhood dope dealers have absolutely NO INTEREST in legalization. Like the numbers salesmen before them they'd be out of business ~ even though, like the return rate on numbers, that will decline substantially. Folks engaging in state sponsored lotteries may get to deal with clean cut sales clerks in tidy gas station snack shops BUT the state keeps more than any Mafia Don ever thought seemly.

50 posted on 06/09/2012 8:27:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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