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Student Wears Rosary For His Grandma; School Forbids It, Calls It Gang Sign
wcco.com ^ | June 6, 2012 | wcco.com

Posted on 06/07/2012 1:32:13 AM PDT by mn-bush-man

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – A 15-year-old Coon Rapids student says he wears a rosary as a necklace to feel close to his grandmother, who is suffering from breast cancer. But the Anoka-Hennepin School District told him to take the rosary off – or face the consequences.

Jake Balthazor says he prays for his grandmother’s health.

“She has breast cancer, and I’m trying to support her for it,” he said.

He wears his beliefs proudly. The rosary is one his grandmother gave him, but it’s also what landed him in the principal’s office.

“They think it’s like a gang sign,” Balthazor said.

A district spokesperson said the school asked Balthazor not to wear the rosary as a necklace again, saying policy forbids it.

The district’s student discipline policy forbids “any apparel, jewelry, accessories, or matter of grooming which by virtue of its color arrangement, trademark, or any other attribute (as a primary purpose) denotes membership in an organized gang.”

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Hostility toward the Christian faith... again.
1 posted on 06/07/2012 1:32:30 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: mn-bush-man
The district’s student discipline policy forbids “any apparel, jewelry, accessories, or matter of grooming which by virtue of its color arrangement, trademark, or any other attribute (as a primary purpose) denotes membership in an organized gang.”

The Catholic Church is now a "gang"?

Does that make the Knights of Columbus a "militia"?

These people need to clean the sight glass in their navels, just so they can see where they are walking.

2 posted on 06/07/2012 2:06:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: mn-bush-man

This is just plain crazy


3 posted on 06/07/2012 2:20:22 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yep...won’t be long and there will a rumble between the “Micks” and the crips


4 posted on 06/07/2012 2:25:21 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: mn-bush-man
“They think it’s like a gang sign,” Balthazor said.

Not surprising that public school staff cannot recognize a religious symbol.
5 posted on 06/07/2012 2:33:36 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: mn-bush-man
State sponsored hate crime. I am sure the ACLU and Attorney General Holder will ride in to the rescue any minute.
6 posted on 06/07/2012 2:34:32 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: mn-bush-man

You said it.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 2:49:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: mn-bush-man

I would really like to see the Church send in a high official and its lawyers to this school and school district. If the church doesn’t start to fight back it will find that it has lost what respect it still has.

And in the end all of the church’s may become mosques in the end because they didn’t stand up and proudly proclaim their beliefs.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 3:11:27 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Biggirl

I feel for the young man and his loss, yet even if for the wrong reason, the school is correct in asking the young man to remove the Rosary Beads. I teach in a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, and we do NOT allow the wearing of Rosary Beads. They are NOT an adornment. They are to be used for prayer and prayer alone and it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them. That said, unfortunately, they have become a gang symbol for many local hoods. Either way, we do NOT allow it. I’m sure the school on question is doing this based strictly on political correctness and the bogus notion of the separation of church and state, but however inadvertant, they are actually right.


9 posted on 06/07/2012 3:13:16 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: mn-bush-man
I wonder what the reaction would be if this student were to wear a T-Shirt like this one I recently purchased and wear often as I like the stares I get which some of, are not exactly, very "friendly." lol

Would this be considered as being a "Gang Symbol?"

infidel shirt4

10 posted on 06/07/2012 3:13:19 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: mn-bush-man

As a Catholic, I don’t like this rosary wearing that is going on right now anyway. The rosary is not for wearing!!!!!


11 posted on 06/07/2012 3:17:29 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Smokin' Joe
Does that make the Knights of Columbus a "militia"?

It's those swords, you know.

12 posted on 06/07/2012 3:21:51 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing we USED to have.)
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To: mn-bush-man

Just wear the rosary under his shirt and nobody will know and he can honor his grandmother. How hard is that?


13 posted on 06/07/2012 3:35:39 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cumbo78
it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them.

citation please?

14 posted on 06/07/2012 3:52:34 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: cumbo78

“I feel for the young man and his loss, yet even if for the wrong reason, the school is correct in asking the young man to remove the Rosary Beads. I teach in a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, and we do NOT allow the wearing of Rosary Beads. They are NOT an adornment. They are to be used for prayer and prayer alone and it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them. That said, unfortunately, they have become a gang symbol for many local hoods. Either way, we do NOT allow it. I’m sure the school on question is doing this based strictly on political correctness and the bogus notion of the separation of church and state, but however inadvertant, they are actually right.”

Well said.


15 posted on 06/07/2012 3:55:45 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: mn-bush-man

"Hail! Hail! The gang's all here."

16 posted on 06/07/2012 4:01:11 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: kinsman redeemer

I personally think that the teachers union is also a gang and should not be allowed in ANY school.


17 posted on 06/07/2012 4:03:12 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: mn-bush-man

It’s disrespectful to wear them. His grandmother would be the first to tell him that. If he truly wants it as a reminder, keep it in his pants pocket. Unfortunately, the rosary is becoming a fashion statement for Hollywood celebs and gangmembers alike. Good for the school. It’s not an issue of religious freedom.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 4:06:15 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: mn-bush-man
The schools' predecessors. Same (as) in leftist Red controlled parts of Spain in the 1930s, and the whole of the Soviet Union and China.

Yet how foolish. They in their abject moronic atheism can never grasp that they shall never, ever succeed.

19 posted on 06/07/2012 4:07:54 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Anti-lib landslide Wisconsin's results must be replicated in state after state after state.)
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To: cumbo78

“That said, unfortunately, they have become a gang symbol for many local hoods.”

Could you give any sources? Not that I am at all familiar with the world of Big Sh*tty, Urban Feral habitat and the assorted, sordid, denizens therein. I am just somewhat surprised that social predators would use a religious symbol as an insignia.


20 posted on 06/07/2012 4:10:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: mn-bush-man

It’s the Catholic Gang.It’s international. The big boss is some guy in Italy.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 4:32:41 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: cumbo78

Two years ago, I went to a wake of a friend of mine, who had just past. He was big into ocean fishing, having a cabin boat. When he was laid out, he was dressed with having both a tee-shirt and Hawaiian shirt. I was surprised that the family not only a rosary together in his hands, but had a larger rosary put around his neck. The later really, really took me by surprise.


22 posted on 06/07/2012 4:42:52 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: GladesGuru

I don’t have a source, but have heard and read about it on different occassions.


23 posted on 06/07/2012 4:44:07 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: cumbo78
They are to be used for prayer and prayer alone and it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them.

That's not entirely true. Dominican nuns wear a rosary as part of their habit, but it's worn around their waist as a belt, not around their neck. (It's a very large rosary, not an ordinary one.)

But it's not jewelry, and it's not a necklace, and this kid is not a Dominican, so ...

24 posted on 06/07/2012 4:51:19 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: GladesGuru
The school's concerns were legit. Nothing to do with religious freedom. This nation's most violent gangs have no problem with cloaking themselves in religious symbolism:
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Simply do an internet image search for gang tats if you wish to see more. (old school) Latino gang members especially favor bleeding Christ tats.
25 posted on 06/07/2012 4:55:51 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Campion

You’re right. They shouldn’t be worn. One thing folks seem to be missing here: the young man is a lutheran, wearing the Rosary with his grandmother in mind. In truth, I would hope that this may lead him to conversion, and I will pray toward that end for this story. But at the moment, he is not Catholic. Let’s pray for him, and his conversion.

The school is correct in that, for most, a Rosary should not be worn. The school is idiotic, however, in attempting to claim that a Rosary is a gang sign. Even if some foolish gang were to try to use it as such, it is now, and has always been, and will always be, a Catholic sacramental.


26 posted on 06/07/2012 4:57:43 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: cumbo78
I teach in a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, and we do NOT allow the wearing of Rosary Beads. They are NOT an adornment. They are to be used for prayer and prayer alone and it is against the teachings of the Catholic Church to wear them.

BINGO!
That is what I was taught in Catholic school back in the 50's. Of course, that was before Vatican II, so I'm not sure what today's rules are.

27 posted on 06/07/2012 4:59:31 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms for the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: mn-bush-man

His grandmother on the weekend.

28 posted on 06/07/2012 5:04:54 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Romney - not Obama - not a Conservative - not a real Christian)
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To: metmom; wintertime; JenB; wagglebee

Unbelieveable.


29 posted on 06/07/2012 5:08:18 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: sayuncledave

what do you have against lutherans?


30 posted on 06/07/2012 5:11:49 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: mn-bush-man
Sadly, gangs have taken to wearing colored rosary beads. They wear them in my school and are told to take them off and put them away. (In my school) it has nothing to do with religion.

I can't say that I've seen any boy or girl who wasn't likely to be in a gang wearing a basic black set of beads, so I don't know if they'd make any exceptions. Most likely they'd be told be a dean or guidance counselor to wear them under their shirt.

31 posted on 06/07/2012 5:12:18 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: PowderMonkey

Three of those four are not rosaries. Only the white one on the bottom pick is.


32 posted on 06/07/2012 5:12:55 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Roccus
I attended Catholic school in the '70s and was also taught that rosaries were not to be used as jewelry. However, the following guidance is more specific:

Q: Can a rosary be worn as a piece of jewelry?

A: "Sacred objects, set aside for divine worship by dedication or blessing, are to be treated with reverence. They are not to be made over to secular or inappropriate use, even though they may belong to private persons" (CIC 1171).

Essentially, sacramentals such as rosaries must be treated with respect, particularly if they have been blessed. Reverence is the attitude of awe or respect that is most often given to sacred things. By its very definition, it is an interior disposition that usually cannot be determined by onlookers by appearances alone A person may be wearing a rosary as a statement of faith, to keep it handy for praying throughout the day, or to avoid losing it. Those reasons would be indicative of reverence and would not interfere with the canon’s directive that sacramentals must be treated reverently.

Ordinarily speaking, then, if someone is spotted wearing a rosary, he should be charitably presumed to be wearing it for just reasons. Only if the rosary is being put to an objectively sordid use (e.g., a rock star is using it as a prop in a music video, obscenely contrasting the symbolic purity of the rosary with the immodest or immoral actions of the performers) can we be sure that the rosary is being treated irreverently. Source:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0410qq.asp

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I suppose if it worn discretely (under a shirt), then it's not a big deal. When you consider the smaller single-decade rosaries that are offered in many colors and metal tones, it's obvious that it is expected that women will wear them as bracelets. So again it comes down to the wearer's intentions.

I wonder what the schools would make of a scapular?

33 posted on 06/07/2012 5:17:16 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: mn-bush-man
I was always taught not to wear the Rosary too....that being said, I'm sure if the kid came dressed, everyday, as a Giant Pink Ribbon, the school would celebrate his support of breat cancer patients.

It all depends on "whose" gang symbol you wear.

34 posted on 06/07/2012 5:20:03 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: cumbo78

Thank God for your post. Of course, a rosary is not to be worn as adornment! Here in Texas, the only ones wearing rosaries are the little gangbangers.

The ignorant comments on this thread are unbelievable.


35 posted on 06/07/2012 5:21:21 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Right Wing Assault; GladesGuru
I know. The pics were posted in response to GladesGuru question about social predators wearing religious symbols.
36 posted on 06/07/2012 5:22:33 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: cumbo78
Sacred objects, which are designated for divine worship by dedication or blessing, are to be treated reverently and are not to be employed for profane or inappropriate use even if they are owned by private persons.

Code of Canon Law 1171

A fine way to expand the symbolism of the beads is to let them remind us of our many relationships, of the bond of communion and fraternity which unites us all in Christ.

APOSTOLIC LETTER

ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE

OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF

JOHN PAUL II

TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY AND FAITHFUL

ON THE MOST HOLY ROSARY

For the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia, the Rosary is listed in our Constitutions as an official part of our habit

From their website

37 posted on 06/07/2012 5:23:16 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: D1X1E
Not surprising that public school staff cannot recognize a religious symbol.

The Obama Halo picture comes to mind...

38 posted on 06/07/2012 5:41:50 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Defeat Obama. Everything else is secondary)
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To: napscoordinator
"The rosary is not for wearing!!!!!

Exactly! That's what the nuns always taught us.

39 posted on 06/07/2012 6:10:13 AM PDT by Mila
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“Rosaries are the latest gang indicators in the Charlotte area. Catholics don’t wear rosaries but the MS-13 gang does. A white one was taken from a 14-year-old member of MS-13. White means they aren’t conducting criminal activity at that moment. A blue rosary, or “war beads,” means they are about to do something illegal. “

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/top-stories/87439592.html


41 posted on 06/07/2012 6:28:10 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: kinsman redeemer

FYI, just to clarify, the bishops and cardinals in that photo are wearing pectoral crosses, not rosaries.


42 posted on 06/07/2012 6:38:57 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Campion
Dominican nuns wear a rosary as part of their habit

What about Dominican friars and priests? Isn't a rosary part of their habits, also?

43 posted on 06/07/2012 6:42:32 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Possibly, but we’re not dealing with Dominican nuns and/or priests. These are obviously not nuns or priests, but youth and and some gangs/gang members are known to wear rosaries.

There was a mall in Texas that prohibits baseball caps being wore backwards. In that area, the schools did not allow earrings on male students. That was a while back and I wouldn’t be surprised if they prohibit rosaries as well. These were all ways to cut back on gang symbols. I have no problem with not allowing an outward display what is known as a gang symbol. If his intentions are pure, he can tuck it in his shirt and can display it off school campus.


44 posted on 06/07/2012 6:57:40 AM PDT by HollyB
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Public schools have way outlived their usefulness.

I could never have imagined WEARING a rosary. It was just too disrespectful a thing to do, to treat it like jewelry. Even now, years after having left the Catholic church, it just does not seem right. I'd still be very taken aback by seeing someone do that. It's just too profane a thing to do to something that has such significance to so many people.

I was also not aware of the gang implications of guys wearing it. That is a good thing to know.

Whatever happened to those little pink ribbons that people wear for breast cancer awareness? That would have been much more appropriate if he really felt the need to make a public issue about it.

45 posted on 06/07/2012 7:30:44 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: absolootezer0

My points were that, first, to a lutheran, the Rosary does not hold the significance that it would to a Catholic, and thus, the story wasn’t quite so much a religious liberty being encroached on story, as it initially seemed, and second, as a Catholic, believing as I do, that it is my duty to pray for others, that they would join what I believe with all my heart to be the one true Faith, so that he would hopefully become a faithful Catholic, and go to Heaven. In other words, I was acting in good faith to my Faith. That does not mean that I have something “against lutherans.” It means I have something for Catholicism. Please don’t take me the wrong way. In practice of your faith, whatever it may be, do you not wish that others might see the light, as you do? I do. And I wish you well, even as I pray for the young man’s conversion. What I forgot to add, and should have, is a desire to pray for his grandmother, also.


46 posted on 06/07/2012 7:35:48 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: The Working Man

The church has the money and professional resources to establish a large legal activist institute to protect religious freedom. They don’t do it for a reason. Watch what they do and ignore their flapping lips.

While giving lip service to respect for human life and religious freedom, they pushed socialist medicine knowing the socialists are Marxists who hate religious freedom and human life. Still, Catholic leaders pushed it onto Christians in this society. They are not stupid. They know what they are doing and the alliances they are making and empowering, while they say the opposite.


47 posted on 06/07/2012 8:43:34 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: mn-bush-man
Hostility toward the Christian faith... again.

Yep.

48 posted on 06/07/2012 8:52:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Take your little hammer, little sickle and your scary red signs with a fist on it, and go home...)
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To: sayuncledave

i understand. i agree that it is the duty of every christian to pray that people see the light, but in whichever of the multitude of forms of christianity is comfortable for the individual.


49 posted on 06/07/2012 10:28:38 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: ELS
What about Dominican friars and priests? Isn't a rosary part of their habits, also?

They are not worn as necklaces, jewelry, decorations.

50 posted on 06/07/2012 5:21:52 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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